Steve McClaren winner or w-anker?
Discussion
rcarr said:
gorvid said:
Yep, and Steve McClaren was in the set-up then
His taking over was supposed to bring change, well....his "new approach" lasted a handful of games.
Just look at the crap on Saturday,
'giving him a chance' - get someone else in.Who?
Thats a separate argument, once the cretins realise they picked the wrong man for the job.
Hardly a surprise when he was 41st choice
rcarr said:
gorvid said:
Yep, and Steve McClaren was in the set-up then
His taking over was supposed to bring change, well....his "new approach" lasted a handful of games.
Just look at the crap on Saturday,
'giving him a chance' - get someone else in.Who?
Me! Me! I'll do it! I'm unrivalled on CM6.
Why is everybody saying that Steve McClaren should go? He has hardly had time to settle into the job, El Tel was probably drafted in for his advice!
I felt sorry for Bertie Vogts when he was hounded out of the Scotland job after very few matches too!
Give him a chance! The team lost to Israel, not him!
They are a bunch of over-paid so and sos that can't rise to the occasion when playing for their country.
I felt sorry for Bertie Vogts when he was hounded out of the Scotland job after very few matches too!
Give him a chance! The team lost to Israel, not him!
They are a bunch of over-paid so and sos that can't rise to the occasion when playing for their country.
rcarr said:
Why is everybody saying that Steve McClaren should go? He has hardly had time to settle into the job, El Tel was probably drafted in for his advice!
I felt sorry for Bertie Vogts when he was hounded out of the Scotland job after very few matches too!
Give him a chance! The team lost to Israel, not him!
They are a bunch of over-paid so and sos that can't rise to the occasion when playing for their country.
I felt sorry for Bertie Vogts when he was hounded out of the Scotland job after very few matches too!
Give him a chance! The team lost to Israel, not him!
They are a bunch of over-paid so and sos that can't rise to the occasion when playing for their country.
Horsecrap....
If we follow your argument - why have a manager at all ? ? ?
Did you SEE the team he picked and the subs he made and the way we played ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
gorvid said:
rcarr said:
Why is everybody saying that Steve McClaren should go? He has hardly had time to settle into the job, El Tel was probably drafted in for his advice!
I felt sorry for Bertie Vogts when he was hounded out of the Scotland job after very few matches too!
Give him a chance! The team lost to Israel, not him!
They are a bunch of over-paid so and sos that can't rise to the occasion when playing for their country.
I felt sorry for Bertie Vogts when he was hounded out of the Scotland job after very few matches too!
Give him a chance! The team lost to Israel, not him!
They are a bunch of over-paid so and sos that can't rise to the occasion when playing for their country.
Horsecrap....
If we follow your argument - why have a manager at all ? ? ?
Did you SEE the team he picked and the subs he made and the way we played ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
You are asking me like like I give a toss! I fleetingly support Scotland and Wales, I enjoy arguing and I feel he has been hard done by, after seeing what the fans said after the match.
After all, it is only a game!
he accepted a coaching job at England so he's obviously not a winner
dunno anything else about him to know if he's a w.nker
you surely can't seriously expect a team of overpaid, shampoo sponsering egomaniacs to really perform as a team? If they decided to implement a program where the players got no money the week they played for England we'd soon see who plays for national pride & with a true hunger for victory. It's another case of sport completely ruined by ridiculous sums of money and that's got a lot do do with why you've won SFA for so long IMO.
Then again, I'm an ignorant convict Aussie so WTF do I know about soccer?
(I know how it feels to win often though
)
dunno anything else about him to know if he's a w.nker
you surely can't seriously expect a team of overpaid, shampoo sponsering egomaniacs to really perform as a team? If they decided to implement a program where the players got no money the week they played for England we'd soon see who plays for national pride & with a true hunger for victory. It's another case of sport completely ruined by ridiculous sums of money and that's got a lot do do with why you've won SFA for so long IMO.
Then again, I'm an ignorant convict Aussie so WTF do I know about soccer?
(I know how it feels to win often though
)hsvgtscoupe said:
he accepted a coaching job at England so he's obviously not a winner
dunno anything else about him to know if he's a w.nker
you surely can't seriously expect a team of overpaid, shampoo sponsering egomaniacs to really perform as a team? If they decided to implement a program where the players got no money the week they played for England we'd soon see who plays for national pride & with a true hunger for victory. It's another case of sport completely ruined by ridiculous sums of money and that's got a lot do do with why you've won SFA for so long IMO.
Then again, I'm an ignorant convict Aussie so WTF do I know about soccer?
(I know how it feels to win often though)
dunno anything else about him to know if he's a w.nker
you surely can't seriously expect a team of overpaid, shampoo sponsering egomaniacs to really perform as a team? If they decided to implement a program where the players got no money the week they played for England we'd soon see who plays for national pride & with a true hunger for victory. It's another case of sport completely ruined by ridiculous sums of money and that's got a lot do do with why you've won SFA for so long IMO.
Then again, I'm an ignorant convict Aussie so WTF do I know about soccer?
(I know how it feels to win often though
)My thoughts exactly hsv!
why is it when a muppet joins my workplace, it takes everyone five minutes to work out that they are a muppet. And if someone is great, everyone works that out too.
The only alternative I can think of are blaggers, who talk good appear to work hard and its only after a while you realise that they are crap.
Its only in football, that people say.. give him time, he needs to settle into the job. I can see why this applies at club level, but at international when you can have your pick? If you are being paid £Xm then I expect that person to hit the ground running, it would also help if they had a record of success (which offcourse is where the whole england manager and FA starts to fall apart. I guess at the end of the day winners can spot other winners, which is why the FA is so bad at this ...)
The only alternative I can think of are blaggers, who talk good appear to work hard and its only after a while you realise that they are crap.
Its only in football, that people say.. give him time, he needs to settle into the job. I can see why this applies at club level, but at international when you can have your pick? If you are being paid £Xm then I expect that person to hit the ground running, it would also help if they had a record of success (which offcourse is where the whole england manager and FA starts to fall apart. I guess at the end of the day winners can spot other winners, which is why the FA is so bad at this ...)
bengoodwin said:
anonymous said:
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Yep, most of that sounds sensible to me, especially D]. Jardel was a fat, lazy nut job who didn't like the weather and ultimately really couldn't be a*sed - no manager would have changed that. Ricketts was even lardier and had a terminal case of Billybigspudsitis - look at what's happened to him since he left Bolton!
As for McLaren by comparison on this bit, where do we start? (Mendieta for one). At least Bolton's f-ups were cheap/free.
Sam will never get the job due to the brown envelope factor (whether real or not). Unless the FA can get a good foreign coach (how about Juande Ramos as a dark horse?) then I think we could end up with MON, someone who is vastly over-rated IMHO.
the guy is not a w*nker, thats a bit strong.. but he is not the man for the job - the opnly reason he is there si because his face fits with the f.a.
Men who could do a great job include harry redknapp and big sam but these two characters are very outspoken and more importantly would drop the big time charlies who jog about the field - the f.a dont want this . The want a lap dog, and in Steve mclaren they have a lovely cuddly ball of fluff !!!
we are in trouble !!
Men who could do a great job include harry redknapp and big sam but these two characters are very outspoken and more importantly would drop the big time charlies who jog about the field - the f.a dont want this . The want a lap dog, and in Steve mclaren they have a lovely cuddly ball of fluff !!!
we are in trouble !!
I can speak as a Boro supporter who's seen more of this guy than the average footbal fan. 90% of Boro supporters would describe his Boro teams with these phrases -
-Passionless
-No Flair
-Negative
-Paceless
-Square pegs in round holes
-Players picked who clearly aren't producing the goods because they are big names or because McLaren signed them & doesn't want to lose face by dropping them
-Better options sitting on the bench but not being played
-Tacticaly naive
Suprise surprise here we have England showing all of the above problems! Comes as no surprise to someone who watched him at work for 4 years.
Add to that we get the same PR spin doctored crap coming out of his mouth that we have always had, theres always a positive to be seen in a dire performance, he's always learnt something (funny that the lessons learnt never seem to be transfered into not making the same mistake again!). He even had the audacity to state that Boro supporters needed educating in what real football was all about as his negative play was the future! Balls to that! How long before England fans need educated to see he is in fact the dogs nuts?
To sum it up a BAD BAD manager who is being nationally exposed to be everything us Boro supporters knew him to be several years ago.
-Passionless
-No Flair
-Negative
-Paceless
-Square pegs in round holes
-Players picked who clearly aren't producing the goods because they are big names or because McLaren signed them & doesn't want to lose face by dropping them
-Better options sitting on the bench but not being played
-Tacticaly naive
Suprise surprise here we have England showing all of the above problems! Comes as no surprise to someone who watched him at work for 4 years.
Add to that we get the same PR spin doctored crap coming out of his mouth that we have always had, theres always a positive to be seen in a dire performance, he's always learnt something (funny that the lessons learnt never seem to be transfered into not making the same mistake again!). He even had the audacity to state that Boro supporters needed educating in what real football was all about as his negative play was the future! Balls to that! How long before England fans need educated to see he is in fact the dogs nuts?
To sum it up a BAD BAD manager who is being nationally exposed to be everything us Boro supporters knew him to be several years ago.
Wrong man for the job. Completely out of his depth, won't make the big decisions and drop the star names who aren't performing. No experience of management at this level. We need to cut our losses and get rid of him, then employ the most qulaifed man avaliable in his place (irrespective of nationality)
Unfortunately I felt when he was appointed that the England team needed a new approach, and not someone who had been a big part of the previous set up. Personally I'd like to see Big Sam, or Vanables given complete comtrol, but I can't see that happening. We need a manager that is willing to drop the big names when they aren't playing. And not just beckham, but the gerrards, and lampard of the world.
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