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Lost_BMW said:
Just watching MMA Live (on ESPN) and see that Kimbo will fight Houston Alexander (at a catchweight of 215lbs - can Kimbo really get to 215 ?) which could be interesting. I've been quite impressed with Alexander's speed and power previously, though he is a bit reckless and hasn't the full skill set of the top guys - but then neither has Kimbo!
Funny. I read an article aboot how Kimbo should drop to 205 and fight a stand up big hitter like Houston. It said if UFC was smart that is the way to squeeze out the best of a 1D fighter like Kimbo who has failed to progress over the past 3 years.I think he could easy hit 205, he was 230 in the show and still heavily muscled in his neck and shoulders. He will prolly just cut to 215 from where he is now.
Yip he trains at Wolf's Lair and does some of his cario/weights at Total Fitness.
I thought he was fighting Mir tonight so I doubted myself, but how many 6'4 black hulks are there in Warry? I felt a wee bit of a plum (cas I tried to chat to Rampage once and he blanked me, I don't like mithering ppl if they psyched into their training) So I asked him if he was Cheick Kongo and he said yeh. I said aren't you fighting Mir tonight and he said next week. I wished him good luck and said I hope he beats Mir and gave him thumbs up. He said thank you and I let him get back to his work.
He was working on shoulders and traps. From what I saw he was shruging with 45kg dbells and doing an interesting version of lat raises with 10kg. They started round the back a few inches off touching and then brought them round in a with a slight twisting motion to a traditional lat raise finish. Looked like he got rear, side and front delts with it. His little shaved head training partner in a Baroni shirt was doing laps.
I was impressed with Cheicks physique. He is thicker in the shoulder/traps/arms than I thought. he normall wears a compression top, but was in a short sleeve tee. he had arms of granite with big cheese wedges for triceps. he had very slender legs though, calves were a bit twig like...but I don't dount that if one was to connect with my head, it would knock it of He looked very lean but solid. I guess as a fighter should be. Also noticed his very long arms.
I was chatted to a fella today who was a former olympic lifter. Deadlift 210kg at 68kg bodyweight. I asked him aboot an exercise he was doing (barbell dug in the ground with a plate on the top end that he twirled around with an upper body twist motion) working his sides. Sorta like what I was asking aboot in my other thread. And he gave me tips on my powerclean, advised I need to bend my legs more on the start and not start it with straight legs since the pressure on my lower back would be huge. I wasn't noticing it since I am on (what I consider for me) to be light weight since I am new to PCs and increase the weight thru my 5x5 routine. But it certainly helped in my later heavier lifts.
He also gave me the name ironmind to watch on youtube for technique, just added him and there are some good vids on there.
Lost_BMW said:
That is very interesting! What gym are you training in?
I've seen him training on various TV clips and he looks strong fo such a tall, long limbed guy. That seems to confirm it.
...Plus it's hardly slowed his kicking down has it - despite the doom mongers amongst the so-called experts.
Don't suppose you've seen him do other body parts/routines have you?
It was Total Fitness, and I saw him again just now. I wasn't actually sure it was him, and I don't feel comfortable staring too much in case he thought I was 'checking him out'!I've seen him training on various TV clips and he looks strong fo such a tall, long limbed guy. That seems to confirm it.
...Plus it's hardly slowed his kicking down has it - despite the doom mongers amongst the so-called experts.
Don't suppose you've seen him do other body parts/routines have you?
I thought he was fighting Mir tonight so I doubted myself, but how many 6'4 black hulks are there in Warry? I felt a wee bit of a plum (cas I tried to chat to Rampage once and he blanked me, I don't like mithering ppl if they psyched into their training) So I asked him if he was Cheick Kongo and he said yeh. I said aren't you fighting Mir tonight and he said next week. I wished him good luck and said I hope he beats Mir and gave him thumbs up. He said thank you and I let him get back to his work.He was working on shoulders and traps. From what I saw he was shruging with 45kg dbells and doing an interesting version of lat raises with 10kg. They started round the back a few inches off touching and then brought them round in a with a slight twisting motion to a traditional lat raise finish. Looked like he got rear, side and front delts with it. His little shaved head training partner in a Baroni shirt was doing laps.
I was impressed with Cheicks physique. He is thicker in the shoulder/traps/arms than I thought. he normall wears a compression top, but was in a short sleeve tee. he had arms of granite with big cheese wedges for triceps. he had very slender legs though, calves were a bit twig like...but I don't dount that if one was to connect with my head, it would knock it of
He looked very lean but solid. I guess as a fighter should be. Also noticed his very long arms.I was chatted to a fella today who was a former olympic lifter. Deadlift 210kg at 68kg bodyweight. I asked him aboot an exercise he was doing (barbell dug in the ground with a plate on the top end that he twirled around with an upper body twist motion) working his sides. Sorta like what I was asking aboot in my other thread. And he gave me tips on my powerclean, advised I need to bend my legs more on the start and not start it with straight legs since the pressure on my lower back would be huge. I wasn't noticing it since I am on (what I consider for me) to be light weight since I am new to PCs and increase the weight thru my 5x5 routine. But it certainly helped in my later heavier lifts.
He also gave me the name ironmind to watch on youtube for technique, just added him and there are some good vids on there.
Frack. Didn't read this thread cas I am only just watching the semis, hen I go into ufc shop to buy summat and see Nelson has won it! Damn man, I was hoping Marcus would win. He handled Tiddies like he was a doll, it was excellent dominance.
That Kimbiplex looks ace!!
Was the final on ESPN?
The barbel thing is summat I am gonna try. I reckon I am gonna get a band as well.
The clean, well this fella explained to me I should be using my legs more, even though it is a back exercise.
So I split it in my mind into several different motions. I now make sure my legs are more bent as if I was deadlifting. Keep that power spring power in your hams/quad and I start the exercise by bringing those into play first and then as the bar rises a few inches the start to bring my hips flexors forward. I guess the bar would be heading towards waist height at this point? Do you jump up as well. In my many articles I read (can't remember which one or I would post) the guy said he always makes sure he pounds his feet back into the ground with a full stamp, so you can hear it around the gym. I think it is to give him that ultimate push power as you start to raise the bar from waist to shoulders.
So to recap, from now I am going to start with that coiled spring power from the legs (I have seen a clip of a man deadlifting with hookgrip and he builds up power in his legs by flexing 3-5 times before he lifts.
found it!
http://stronglifts.com/forum/380kg-deadlift-20y-ol...
The make sure as you bring the hip flexors into use that you use that stored power to jump up and smash back down into the floor.
That any help?
That Kimbiplex looks ace!!
Was the final on ESPN?
Lost_BMW said:
The barbell exercise you mentioned is possibly like one I use for rotational speed/power development - I place the end of the bar in an empty plate or two and then grasp the top of the bar and do the rotations. There is a clamp for sale in the US for little money that you can mount the empty end in which looks safer and less haphazard so I'm going to look into importing one if possible.
I have never really done power cleans though tried a couple as an experiment a few months back when I bought my new Olympic bar but like a fool didn't warm up, comparing the weight with what I used to clean up to shoulder press and promptly re-injured my right inner elbow/biceps tendon. I never learn.
I've just started doing barbell press again as an adjunct to the Powerbag presses and need to get a better technique as I am finding that on the heavier sets it is hurting my elbow and am limited to a weight that I can get 15 plus reps at. Sometimes I'd like to go lower (in reps) but the clean part is limit rather than pressing ability, very frustrating, so if you have any tips?!
Well yeh. I am not impressed by alot. Done a lil acting and everyone has a poop shoot and smells when they sweat. But I do like as you say seeing how others work, and I do respect what I consider to be impressive feats. Like meeting types like Bulldog, Ramage and others in the gym. I did get Brock's email last year in Vegas but lost itI have never really done power cleans though tried a couple as an experiment a few months back when I bought my new Olympic bar but like a fool didn't warm up, comparing the weight with what I used to clean up to shoulder press and promptly re-injured my right inner elbow/biceps tendon. I never learn.
I've just started doing barbell press again as an adjunct to the Powerbag presses and need to get a better technique as I am finding that on the heavier sets it is hurting my elbow and am limited to a weight that I can get 15 plus reps at. Sometimes I'd like to go lower (in reps) but the clean part is limit rather than pressing ability, very frustrating, so if you have any tips?!
The barbel thing is summat I am gonna try. I reckon I am gonna get a band as well.
The clean, well this fella explained to me I should be using my legs more, even though it is a back exercise.
So I split it in my mind into several different motions. I now make sure my legs are more bent as if I was deadlifting. Keep that power spring power in your hams/quad and I start the exercise by bringing those into play first and then as the bar rises a few inches the start to bring my hips flexors forward. I guess the bar would be heading towards waist height at this point? Do you jump up as well. In my many articles I read (can't remember which one or I would post) the guy said he always makes sure he pounds his feet back into the ground with a full stamp, so you can hear it around the gym. I think it is to give him that ultimate push power as you start to raise the bar from waist to shoulders.
So to recap, from now I am going to start with that coiled spring power from the legs (I have seen a clip of a man deadlifting with hookgrip and he builds up power in his legs by flexing 3-5 times before he lifts.
found it!
http://stronglifts.com/forum/380kg-deadlift-20y-ol...
The make sure as you bring the hip flexors into use that you use that stored power to jump up and smash back down into the floor.
That any help?
Edited by Halb on Sunday 6th December 17:26
I remember Jouko, was always amazed how he was stronger than much bigger men and explosive too. Like Marius.
That sounds tough BMW. Can see how you would struggle with the clean portion being seated once the weight goes up. Sounds heavy! I may give them a go as one of my variant exercises this week. How come you do presses seated?
That fight is just unbelievable. I thought it was looping till I saw the clock
That sounds tough BMW. Can see how you would struggle with the clean portion being seated once the weight goes up. Sounds heavy!
I may give them a go as one of my variant exercises this week. How come you do presses seated?That fight is just unbelievable. I thought it was looping till I saw the clock
What does BJ do on balance boards? And metal tubes???
I am currently rewatching TUF1. Diego is a lil knob. Remember the asparagus incident? He also went out into the windy outside to 'get his power from the storm'...he is ace
Mir said he was 260 plus for when he was originally slated to face Lesnar at UFC 97 or 98 whichever it was, then he had his knee thing, and dropped 20 lbs.
Wish this stuff was on ESPN classic
I am currently rewatching TUF1. Diego is a lil knob
. Remember the asparagus incident? He also went out into the windy outside to 'get his power from the storm'...he is aceMir said he was 260 plus for when he was originally slated to face Lesnar at UFC 97 or 98 whichever it was, then he had his knee thing, and dropped 20 lbs.
Wish this stuff was on ESPN classic
http://www.criticalbench.com/benchpress-chains.htm
Interesting. I didn't know what the chains were for. Saw them on a Dave Tate vid. Might give them a whizz.
Sounds like just the kind of show I like...dammit I am close to crumbling and buying the extra channel.
What distance/weight did Mir do on the FW?
Interesting. I didn't know what the chains were for. Saw them on a Dave Tate vid. Might give them a whizz.
Sounds like just the kind of show I like...dammit I am close to crumbling and buying the extra channel.
What distance/weight did Mir do on the FW?
M400 NBL said:
Did you guys watch strongman Pudzianowski's MMA debut?
http://www.mmascraps.com/2009/12/legendary-polish-...
I was talking to a Polish friend yesterday who says he has a history of karate and other martial arts.
It will be interesting when someone does get him to the floor. Obviously there are some very technically skilled and strong MMA fighters, but will they risk being badly injured? Where most would apply pressure to a joint to get a tap out, Pudzianowski could do some serious career threatening damage.
Doesn't work nowhttp://www.mmascraps.com/2009/12/legendary-polish-...
I was talking to a Polish friend yesterday who says he has a history of karate and other martial arts.
It will be interesting when someone does get him to the floor. Obviously there are some very technically skilled and strong MMA fighters, but will they risk being badly injured? Where most would apply pressure to a joint to get a tap out, Pudzianowski could do some serious career threatening damage.
Damn, sounds good. Marius is something special in the world of strongman, strong and explosive and quick. I also thought Arild looked good when I watched him last year. I think the Bob Sapp comparison may be valid, but I doubt Sapp has the kind of ligament/explosive strength Marius has. Marius has been injury free hasn't he? The kind of stresses his joints have been through would make me think that his sinews are like cable.
So MArius wants to get down to 286lbs and then cut to 265lbs?
edit
shame for Cheick
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Mir-Breaks-Do...
Edited by Halb on Sunday 13th December 16:03
plenty said:
I would be shocked if Marius accepts a fight against Aleks for his second MMA bout. He needs at least 3-4 more fights and a more phased step up in quality of opposition before he steps to the level of someone like Aleks.
Aleks has the ability to make Marius look very, very bad - Aleks specialises in quickly destroying huge powerful goliaths, as Ricardo Morais, Dan Bobish, Eric Pele and James Thompson will attest.
While a squash against a can proves nothing, I've followed Marius' career in WSM and am genuinely excited about the potential star power he could bring to MMA. However this is contingent on his progression being carefully managed, and an ugly loss to Aleks is not only highly possible but would curtail his MMA career before it even starts.
Worked for Lesnar.Aleks has the ability to make Marius look very, very bad - Aleks specialises in quickly destroying huge powerful goliaths, as Ricardo Morais, Dan Bobish, Eric Pele and James Thompson will attest.
While a squash against a can proves nothing, I've followed Marius' career in WSM and am genuinely excited about the potential star power he could bring to MMA. However this is contingent on his progression being carefully managed, and an ugly loss to Aleks is not only highly possible but would curtail his MMA career before it even starts.
I don't know those other fellas but even Kimbo beat Thompson.
tim2100 said:
Halb said:
plenty said:
I would be shocked if Marius accepts a fight against Aleks for his second MMA bout. He needs at least 3-4 more fights and a more phased step up in quality of opposition before he steps to the level of someone like Aleks.
Aleks has the ability to make Marius look very, very bad - Aleks specialises in quickly destroying huge powerful goliaths, as Ricardo Morais, Dan Bobish, Eric Pele and James Thompson will attest.
While a squash against a can proves nothing, I've followed Marius' career in WSM and am genuinely excited about the potential star power he could bring to MMA. However this is contingent on his progression being carefully managed, and an ugly loss to Aleks is not only highly possible but would curtail his MMA career before it even starts.
Worked for Lesnar.Aleks has the ability to make Marius look very, very bad - Aleks specialises in quickly destroying huge powerful goliaths, as Ricardo Morais, Dan Bobish, Eric Pele and James Thompson will attest.
While a squash against a can proves nothing, I've followed Marius' career in WSM and am genuinely excited about the potential star power he could bring to MMA. However this is contingent on his progression being carefully managed, and an ugly loss to Aleks is not only highly possible but would curtail his MMA career before it even starts.
I don't know those other fellas but even Kimbo beat Thompson.
130R said:
Halb said:
Yeh, fair enough. But I do not think Pud is just 'another big man'. He is one of the strongest humans on the planet. As Dev say's, as anyone faced anyone like Pud?
Being strong does not necessarily mean he has a granite chin though if he gets out-striked or that he is immune from being submitted by some high level bjj guy. I'm not saying he can't be a top fighter in MMA but realistically I don't think going up against a guy who is probably not far off the top 10 heavyweights in the world is going to end well for him at this stage.
Lost_BMW said:
Mir pretty much confirmed that he will fight Carwin for the interim title and all debated whether Lesnar will come back and what he will be like if he does (Mir talked about how long Lenar would take to gain his weight and strength back, repeating rumours that Brock is now down to 240lbs). All agreed that if he doesn't come back by July he should be stripped of his title. Lesnar is expected to be investigated by physicians next week according to Dana White and that may well lead to a decision on his career. Mir was gutted when presented with this news!]
Shii-ayt. I am gonna have to buy this w
ky channel.Mir was upset that he wouldn't have a chance to face Brock again?
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