The MMA thread

[g4ry13]

That is rather unfair and ridiculously unhealthy too.

[Zarco]

Joe Rogan brings it up regularly on his podcast, and most current or past fighters I've seen don't seem too keen on changing the system. It's part of the game for them, and obviously feel they can gain an advantage.

I know there are risks associated with weight cutting so I'm in two minds about it.

[Johnny]

[DocJock]

He's never been afraid to try new things. I'll be watching his debut with interest.

[Zarco]

Are we about to see the first rugby tackle in the cage?

[ben5575]

He used to present sometimes on the BT UFC show with that weird old bloke with the hair, didn't he? I seem to remember him doing take downs with Brad Pickett iirc.

Fair play to him.

[AdamIndy]

DocJock said:

I know some of the guys do drastic weight cuts, but the California State Athletic Commission have revealed weights at weigh-in and fight night. Paolo Costa put on 27.8lbs!! and Manny Bermudez incresed his weight by 17.7%!!

Surely it's time for a fight night weigh-in with only a small % increase allowed?



https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc/13-fighters-br...

That’s mad!

I always thought the current system is fairly pointless. Weigh in at 145lbs(or whatever weight class) then turn up for the fight weighing 20lbs more.

Surely if you’re fighting in a certain weight class, say 145lbs, you should weigh 145lbs(or less) in the cage/ring. Kind of makes the whole weight class thing pointless in my opinion.

There again, I’m not a fighter or promoter so my opinion is worth less than nothing in the great scheme of things.

[Halb]

DocJock said:

Surely it's time for a fight night weigh-in with only a small % increase allowed?

I think it should be the morning of

[Don1]

Zarco said:

Are we about to see the first rugby tackle in the cage?

It's why (10 years ago), I was welcome at the gym cage rage mainly came from in Reading.
As a rugby player you take them down quickly, with maximum force and then float over to take the ball.
Or their back...

Good luck to him.

[Ridealong]

DocJock said:

I know some of the guys do drastic weight cuts, but the California State Athletic Commission have revealed weights at weigh-in and fight night. Paolo Costa put on 27.8lbs!! and Manny Bermudez incresed his weight by 17.7%!!

Surely it's time for a fight night weigh-in with only a small % increase allowed?



https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc/13-fighters-br...

Doesn't really matter at heavyweight (weight limit 265 lbs) unless you are fighting the likes of Antonio Silva, Brock Lesner or Mark Hunt.
The current weigh in rules (24 hours before) is better than the old rules (morning of the fight), a lot of ex boxers will testify to that.

One ex MMA fighter - Anthony "Rumble" Johnson from 2006 to 2012 used to get himself down to fight at welterweight (170 lbs) then in 2012 to 2017 started to fight at a more natural weight class (light heavy 205 lbs), he even had a fight and won at heavyweight in 2013 against ex champion Andrei Arlovski who officially weighs in around 245 lbs.

[DocJock]

The fighters may prefer it, but that doesn't mean they know what's good for them. Such drastic weight-cuts and regaining in such a short space of time are not good for the body. They should be fighting at their 'natural' weight.

That link I posted showed 13 fighters on one card breaking the CASC rules on weight cutting but still being allowed to fight without sanction

[Halb]

DocJock said:

The fighters may prefer it, but that doesn't mean they know what's good for them. Such drastic weight-cuts and regaining in such a short space of time are not good for the body. They should be fighting at their 'natural' weight.

That link I posted showed 13 fighters on one card breaking the CASC rules on weight cutting but still being allowed to fight without sanction

Quite, what the fighter's want doesn't always (if at all) coincide with what should happen.

rugby tackles are similar to wrestling take-downs.

[Ridealong]

DocJock said:

The fighters may prefer it, but that doesn't mean they know what's good for them. Such drastic weight-cuts and regaining in such a short space of time are not good for the body. They should be fighting at their 'natural' weight.

That link I posted showed 13 fighters on one card breaking the CASC rules on weight cutting but still being allowed to fight without sanction

I understand what you are saying, but previous and current fighters (Boxers/MMA) will starve, dehydrate or over exercise themselves just to make weight so there is no loss of money or title fight.
The current rules are better than the old because they get 24 hours to recover rather than 12 hours, but what is natural weight nowadays (Cormier fought at light heavy, McGregor at feather and Shevchenko at bantam) some fighters win or lose after a fight go and enjoy their usual food and drink that they denied themselves for x amount of weeks.

[DocJock]

Yes, I get that. The athletes can be their own worst enemy at times. Similarly, in the late '80s, during the Flo-Jo era, The US Olympic organisation did a survey of athletes asking if they could take a guaranteed undetectable PED, but which would shorten their life, over 80% said they would take it.

Perhaps they should enforce the CSAC regulated maximum of 10% of bodyweight?

[Don1]

I see the fkwits at BT Sport are refusing to give up on the PPV thing.... Streaming it is then.

[Johnny]

Till v Gastelum at UFC244.

Could be interesting.

[g4ry13]

Maybe Till will retire when he loses that. Do they still cut fighters if they lose 3 in a row?

[lemmingjames]

g4ry13 said:

Maybe Till will retire when he loses that. Do they still cut fighters if they lose 3 in a row?

Depends on how big a following it seems, ie popular on instagram = most likely keep spot.

[Zarco]

Rumble Johnson back at heavyweight. Boom!

[Hungrymc]

Don1 said:

I see the fkwits at BT Sport are refusing to give up on the PPV thing.... Streaming it is then.

I'm hoping its cost them money. I cancelled my subscription due to it (an expensive one as I wont use BT broadband). Two days before the end, they phoned and offered me the package I had at about 30% of the price. I probably could have got the discount anyway but couldn't be bothered and it was the UFC PPV that kicked me into action. Fingers crossed its terrible business for them and they fix it.