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Herb Dean had a bit of a disaster last night in the prelims (Trinaldo fight). He watched the fighter get knocked out on feet and fall to the canvas all stiff and didn't wave it off - even the other fighter didn't want to throw any more punches as it was clearly over.
Khamzat Chimaev could be one to watch for the future. Last night didn't tell much as it was a complete mis-match but a few good results and he'll be going for the title. He reminded me of Khabib.
Khamzat Chimaev could be one to watch for the future. Last night didn't tell much as it was a complete mis-match but a few good results and he'll be going for the title. He reminded me of Khabib.
g4ry13 said:
Herb Dean had a bit of a disaster last night in the prelims (Trinaldo fight). He watched the fighter get knocked out on feet and fall to the canvas all stiff and didn't wave it off - even the other fighter didn't want to throw any more punches as it was clearly over.
Herb Dean and Dan Hardy exchanged a few words after that apparently. I suppose with the lack of crowd noise means the everyone can hear the commentary (Dan was not complementary about the late stoppage).Strange as Herb is normally top notch.
Zarco said:
g4ry13 said:
Herb Dean had a bit of a disaster last night in the prelims (Trinaldo fight). He watched the fighter get knocked out on feet and fall to the canvas all stiff and didn't wave it off - even the other fighter didn't want to throw any more punches as it was clearly over.
Herb Dean and Dan Hardy exchanged a few words after that apparently. I suppose with the lack of crowd noise means the everyone can hear the commentary (Dan was not complementary about the late stoppage).Strange as Herb is normally top notch.
I think Marc Goddard is better.
What's the verdict on Till? Is he actually much good or just a mouthy idiot who manages to get some top fights?
3 losses from his last 4 fights is a pretty shocking record. Admittedly he's been fighting some of the better fighters in the division but it's not the sort of record which sticks around long in the UFC.
3 losses from his last 4 fights is a pretty shocking record. Admittedly he's been fighting some of the better fighters in the division but it's not the sort of record which sticks around long in the UFC.
Johnny said:
Hardy was pretty loudly shouting to stop the fight, and Herb makes these kind of calls a little too often for my liking.
Not watched the Till fight yet, but most comments i've seen say it was good fight. Is he any good? Still not sure on that
Hardy's been equally vocal on IG as well.Not watched the Till fight yet, but most comments i've seen say it was good fight. Is he any good? Still not sure on that
Till is undoubtedly a good fighter (he's also massive which doesn't come across in the octagon), just not as good as he thought he was. He makes for good fights though.
g4ry13 said:
What's the verdict on Till? Is he actually much good or just a mouthy idiot who manages to get some top fights?
3 losses from his last 4 fights is a pretty shocking record. Admittedly he's been fighting some of the better fighters in the division but it's not the sort of record which sticks around long in the UFC.
I'm not sure if you're joking or you just know f3 losses from his last 4 fights is a pretty shocking record. Admittedly he's been fighting some of the better fighters in the division but it's not the sort of record which sticks around long in the UFC.
k all about the sport? he's clearly a very very good fighter, is he the best in the world? No, but he's clearly a solid top 10 fighter if not yet top 5, he's still young though so has the potential to reach the top, especially if he can diversify his gamewas a mixed night for the Brits, Tom Aspinall looked phenomenal and will soon be a top 5-10 heavy
was a real shame for Jai, until he got caught he had turned the tide in his favour and was on course for one of the most impressive debut wins in the promotions history, he'll be back though and will be in many more exciting fights
ben5575 said:
True. And Paul Craig's a big, scary and flexible beastie as well.
Felt for the Nord Iron dude though, that wasn't a pleasant introduction to the UFC!
Was so impressed with Craig, you could see him sink it further in with every punch, to be punched that hard and stay focused is impressiveFelt for the Nord Iron dude though, that wasn't a pleasant introduction to the UFC!
BRR said:
g4ry13 said:
What's the verdict on Till? Is he actually much good or just a mouthy idiot who manages to get some top fights?
3 losses from his last 4 fights is a pretty shocking record. Admittedly he's been fighting some of the better fighters in the division but it's not the sort of record which sticks around long in the UFC.
I'm not sure if you're joking or you just know f3 losses from his last 4 fights is a pretty shocking record. Admittedly he's been fighting some of the better fighters in the division but it's not the sort of record which sticks around long in the UFC.
k all about the sport? he's clearly a very very good fighter, is he the best in the world? No, but he's clearly a solid top 10 fighter if not yet top 5, he's still young though so has the potential to reach the top, especially if he can diversify his gamewas a mixed night for the Brits, Tom Aspinall looked phenomenal and will soon be a top 5-10 heavy
was a real shame for Jai, until he got caught he had turned the tide in his favour and was on course for one of the most impressive debut wins in the promotions history, he'll be back though and will be in many more exciting fights
He's certainly no Bisping.
g4ry13 said:
His results don't really show that and if he keeps up his current form he won't have many years left in the UFC.
He's certainly no Bisping.
his results do show that though, he just lost a very close decision vs the number 2 guy in the division and he lost to the then champ.He's certainly no Bisping.
Yeah the Masvidal fight was an anomaly but he's still right up there, the problem is when you're fighting the elite you'll have a mixed record as Bisping did, Till could fight people outside of the top 10 and smash them consistently and perhaps he got the push to the very top a little too early but he's clearly a top level fighter
ben5575 said:
True. And Paul Craig's a big, scary and flexible beastie as well.
Felt for the Nord Iron dude though, that wasn't a pleasant introduction to the UFC!
Craig's brilliant off his back and he is rounding out the rest of his game too, great to see him picking up as many wins as he is, he'll never be a title contender but he's having a respectable careerFelt for the Nord Iron dude though, that wasn't a pleasant introduction to the UFC!
What we thinking...Retiral payday for Cormier or is the big fella in with a chance? Stipe looks overtrained and drawn, but Cormier looks undertrained and undermotivated. Really like both guys so not that bothered but I'd kinda like Cormier to get the fairy tale ending his service to the sport deserves?
Some comments in spoiler about the weekend. Surprised there was nothing about this yet.
When I saw Miocic step into the octagon the first thing which struck me was how lean he was looking. He didn't look like a heavyweight at all.
DC got some good shots in the fight and I felt the 49-46 scoring was a bit unfair as I think he grabbed about two rounds from the fight. DC's strategy seemed to be the same as the second fight which I don't really understand. DC's a wrestler known for taking people down and he did it once and then didn't bother the rest of the fight and stood toe-to-toe with Miocic who had a huge reach advantage and DC isn't a striker.
The eye poke looked nasty but I don't think it would have changed the result of the fight. Miocic never looked really hurt and had a clear power advantage where he could lean on DC and just push him up against the sides whenever he wanted and when Miocic was pushed against the cage was able to easily reverse the position to have DC against the cage. DC was also a bit lucky to make it to round 3 as he looked finished at the end of round 2 and his head wasn't in it for a few minutes after.
DC certainly had a good career in the UFC but also had his bogeymen (Jon Jones and Miocic - fight 1 was a bit of luck) which he never seemed to get the better of. I don't think DC can really hang with the heavyweight guys. He's too small and they would overpower him - it's quite scary to think about DC going against some of the monsters in that division. It would have been nice to see DC dominate the light heavyweight division until his retirement but can see why he wanted to try another weight division for the legacy.
When I saw Miocic step into the octagon the first thing which struck me was how lean he was looking. He didn't look like a heavyweight at all.
DC got some good shots in the fight and I felt the 49-46 scoring was a bit unfair as I think he grabbed about two rounds from the fight. DC's strategy seemed to be the same as the second fight which I don't really understand. DC's a wrestler known for taking people down and he did it once and then didn't bother the rest of the fight and stood toe-to-toe with Miocic who had a huge reach advantage and DC isn't a striker.
The eye poke looked nasty but I don't think it would have changed the result of the fight. Miocic never looked really hurt and had a clear power advantage where he could lean on DC and just push him up against the sides whenever he wanted and when Miocic was pushed against the cage was able to easily reverse the position to have DC against the cage. DC was also a bit lucky to make it to round 3 as he looked finished at the end of round 2 and his head wasn't in it for a few minutes after.
DC certainly had a good career in the UFC but also had his bogeymen (Jon Jones and Miocic - fight 1 was a bit of luck) which he never seemed to get the better of. I don't think DC can really hang with the heavyweight guys. He's too small and they would overpower him - it's quite scary to think about DC going against some of the monsters in that division. It would have been nice to see DC dominate the light heavyweight division until his retirement but can see why he wanted to try another weight division for the legacy.
Not sure of the need for spoiler tags 2 days after the fight, but I'll run with it...
But DC could never dominate LH as long as Jones was there to beat him. It's one of the reasons he moved up to HW.
I think DC is unmatched as a wrestler in the heavier classes, but people forget Miocic is a highest level NCAA wrestler too, as well as a Golden Gloves boxing champ. I also think DC didn't look in condition to spend a lot of time grappling, which is may more tiring than stand-up.
The eye poke,although nasty, was kind of poetic justice as he did it four times to Miocic over the three fights
I don't think Miocic gets the credit he deserves, he's beaten everyone put in front of him, including humiliating Ngannou when we all thought he was an irresistible force. His only other losses were to a world champ {Junior dos Santos) and Struve.
But DC could never dominate LH as long as Jones was there to beat him. It's one of the reasons he moved up to HW.
I think DC is unmatched as a wrestler in the heavier classes, but people forget Miocic is a highest level NCAA wrestler too, as well as a Golden Gloves boxing champ. I also think DC didn't look in condition to spend a lot of time grappling, which is may more tiring than stand-up.
The eye poke,although nasty, was kind of poetic justice as he did it four times to Miocic over the three fights
I don't think Miocic gets the credit he deserves, he's beaten everyone put in front of him, including humiliating Ngannou when we all thought he was an irresistible force. His only other losses were to a world champ {Junior dos Santos) and Struve.
It seemed like DC just doesnt seem to have good fight iq, which is weird when you look at his background and where he trains.
Well, now we can look forward to Miocic vs Ngannou 2.
I'm not sure we can call Miocic the GOAT as of yet. Werdum and JDS were shot, Ngannou was green, but DC was legit. Compare that to Fedor's career, and there isn't much of a comparison.
Well, now we can look forward to Miocic vs Ngannou 2.
I'm not sure we can call Miocic the GOAT as of yet. Werdum and JDS were shot, Ngannou was green, but DC was legit. Compare that to Fedor's career, and there isn't much of a comparison.
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