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biggbn said:
I am biased as a grappler, but that man is the greatest mixed martial artist I have seen in my lifetime. Absolute force of nature.
Well if it helps as a stand up only guy, I completely agree. So much you could say about him, but for me, his ability to make the very best in the world look ordinary is astonishing. ETA don't underestimate the effect those front kicks had in the first round.
ben5575 said:
biggbn said:
I am biased as a grappler, but that man is the greatest mixed martial artist I have seen in my lifetime. Absolute force of nature.
Well if it helps as a stand up only guy, I completely agree. So much you could say about him, but for me, his ability to make the very best in the world look ordinary is astonishing. ETA don't underestimate the effect those front kicks had in the first round.
g4ry13 said:
ben5575 said:
biggbn said:
I am biased as a grappler, but that man is the greatest mixed martial artist I have seen in my lifetime. Absolute force of nature.
Well if it helps as a stand up only guy, I completely agree. So much you could say about him, but for me, his ability to make the very best in the world look ordinary is astonishing. ETA don't underestimate the effect those front kicks had in the first round.
Edited by biggbn on Saturday 24th October 23:05
As I lying down kind of guy( 
) I cant fathom how he, as he’s not a big guy, can absolutely rag doll anyone, he’s not racist, everyone gets f
ked up. He appears to have double the strength of anyone in that division. I’m sure a lot of is technique but still, he’s an absolute machine.
He rocks up looking like he’s just got out of bed, destroys whoever is in front him, does an interview with barely a bead of sweat on him then goes home.
) I cant fathom how he, as he’s not a big guy, can absolutely rag doll anyone, he’s not racist, everyone gets fked up. He appears to have double the strength of anyone in that division. I’m sure a lot of is technique but still, he’s an absolute machine.He rocks up looking like he’s just got out of bed, destroys whoever is in front him, does an interview with barely a bead of sweat on him then goes home.
I'm in awe
His abilities within the octagon are there for everyone to see. But to thank God first and foremost, to mention giving his word to his mother, to work harder than anyone else, to stay humble, to be the best he can possibly be and not let money, fame, vices get in the way of that, to walk away on his own terms at a time that suits him. Just wow. My favourite living sportsman by a long way.
His abilities within the octagon are there for everyone to see. But to thank God first and foremost, to mention giving his word to his mother, to work harder than anyone else, to stay humble, to be the best he can possibly be and not let money, fame, vices get in the way of that, to walk away on his own terms at a time that suits him. Just wow. My favourite living sportsman by a long way.
MrJuice said:
I'm in awe
His abilities within the octagon are there for everyone to see. But to thank God first and foremost, to mention giving his word to his mother, to work harder than anyone else, to stay humble, to be the best he can possibly be and not let money, fame, vices get in the way of that, to walk away on his own terms at a time that suits him. Just wow. My favourite living sportsman by a long way.
He is a true role model. Forget macgregor, this is the man kids should be looking up to. No BS just a true, humble sportsman. His abilities within the octagon are there for everyone to see. But to thank God first and foremost, to mention giving his word to his mother, to work harder than anyone else, to stay humble, to be the best he can possibly be and not let money, fame, vices get in the way of that, to walk away on his own terms at a time that suits him. Just wow. My favourite living sportsman by a long way.
Edited to add. Gaethje is absolute class too. Took the L like a champ. No throwing the teddies out of the pram, no excuses and full of praise for Khabib afterwards. I genuinely hope he is the next champ.
Edited by AdamIndy on Saturday 24th October 23:45
biggbn said:
...Gaethje looked tired from THINKING at the end of round one...
I thought exactly the same thing at the end of the first. That and the front kicks he absorbed. If you like to bang and you're being pressured on to the back foot, those kicks to the mid section (particularly when you're in a low stance like he was which just makes their impact even worse) every time you try and close range to do your thing, shuts down your options. Once that's taken away from you and you're dealing with the pressure, and as we both mean, not just work rate, but the mental pressure of having to second guess whilst protecting yourself against the best grappler around with nowhere to go.
Gaethje just didn't quite have the standup skills to take advantage. Khabib was heavy on his lead leg all night. Whilst Gaethje clearly had success with his leg kicks, he just didn't capitalise on his successful left hooks - kickboxing 101 - lead hook/low kick combo.
Very easy from my armchair though
ben5575 said:
So much you could say about him, but for me, his ability to make the very best in the world look ordinary is astonishing.
Completely agree. I watched the whole card with my son and said to him that through all the years I've been watching I can't think of anybody else who has consistently made exceptionally good fighters look very very ordinary. Very disappointed to see him retire, but understand his reasons and great to see him go out on his own terms.
Some of this has been posted already, but starting with Khabib, what a fighter. It has been a privilege to watch him over the years. Without a doubt, in my mind, the best fighter I have ever seen in any discipline. The crazy thing is, he may be 29-0 but he is still improving. I honestly thought Gaethje was the one to trouble him, but he just walked through the leg shots and head strikes, and once he gets a hold of you...
It's obviously overshadowed the rest of the card, but there were some excellent performances all the way down.
I was surprised how passive Cannonier was until too late. I feel Whittaker is in for another tough night against Adesanya.
Struve should pack it in. His punch resistance was never great but it's shot now.
I'm a little bit sad that I'll never see the Great man fight again, unless ha has an unlikely change of heart.
It's obviously overshadowed the rest of the card, but there were some excellent performances all the way down.
I was surprised how passive Cannonier was until too late. I feel Whittaker is in for another tough night against Adesanya.
Struve should pack it in. His punch resistance was never great but it's shot now.
I'm a little bit sad that I'll never see the Great man fight again, unless ha has an unlikely change of heart.
epom said:
I know a 1lb here or there isn’t massive (or is it, don’t really have a clue tbh) especially when they will both make massive gains in rehydrating. All pigs are equal and all that though.
That 1lb can be massive, he looked poor when he weighed in and obviously had a hard weight cut, The scales were definitely dodgy, if he was overweight and was forced to take the extra hour or 2 to lose that 1lb it could have ruined him meaning JG may have won. Or he may not have been able to make the weight, I’m not sure if it’s the same as boxing where he’d forfeit the title on the scales though.
He’s a dominant performer though, but I don’t think the UFC will miss him to much in a commercial sense. PPVs are where the money is and there’s bigger sellers out there and to come too
NuckyThompson said:
epom said:
I know a 1lb here or there isn’t massive (or is it, don’t really have a clue tbh) especially when they will both make massive gains in rehydrating. All pigs are equal and all that though.
That 1lb can be massive, he looked poor when he weighed in and obviously had a hard weight cut, The scales were definitely dodgy, if he was overweight and was forced to take the extra hour or 2 to lose that 1lb it could have ruined him meaning JG may have won. Or he may not have been able to make the weight, I’m not sure if it’s the same as boxing where he’d forfeit the title on the scales though.
He’s a dominant performer though, but I don’t think the UFC will miss him to much in a commercial sense. PPVs are where the money is and there’s bigger sellers out there and to come too
ben5575 said:
biggbn said:
...Gaethje looked tired from THINKING at the end of round one...
I thought exactly the same thing at the end of the first. That and the front kicks he absorbed. If you like to bang and you're being pressured on to the back foot, those kicks to the mid section (particularly when you're in a low stance like he was which just makes their impact even worse) every time you try and close range to do your thing, shuts down your options. Once that's taken away from you and you're dealing with the pressure, and as we both mean, not just work rate, but the mental pressure of having to second guess whilst protecting yourself against the best grappler around with nowhere to go.
Gaethje just didn't quite have the standup skills to take advantage. Khabib was heavy on his lead leg all night. Whilst Gaethje clearly had success with his leg kicks, he just didn't capitalise on his successful left hooks - kickboxing 101 - lead hook/low kick combo.
Very easy from my armchair though
NuckyThompson said:
That 1lb can be massive, he looked poor when he weighed in and obviously had a hard weight cut,
The scales were definitely dodgy, if he was overweight and was forced to take the extra hour or 2 to lose that 1lb it could have ruined him meaning JG may have won. Or he may not have been able to make the weight, I’m not sure if it’s the same as boxing where he’d forfeit the title on the scales though.
He’s a dominant performer though, but I don’t think the UFC will miss him to much in a commercial sense. PPVs are where the money is and there’s bigger sellers out there and to come too
Who are the bigger sellers out there except Conor? And who are the ones coming through who will be anywhere Khabib's PPV level?The scales were definitely dodgy, if he was overweight and was forced to take the extra hour or 2 to lose that 1lb it could have ruined him meaning JG may have won. Or he may not have been able to make the weight, I’m not sure if it’s the same as boxing where he’d forfeit the title on the scales though.
He’s a dominant performer though, but I don’t think the UFC will miss him to much in a commercial sense. PPVs are where the money is and there’s bigger sellers out there and to come too
Thanks
Another bad stoppage on the card was the Magomed Ankalaev. Drops Ion with a punch who then turtles up and referee watches until he's completely knocked out and then stops the fight.
It was still super dodgy what happened at Khabib's weigh in but don't think Gaefthje would have had a chance if he'd had an extra 10 pounds over Khabib at the weigh in.
It was still super dodgy what happened at Khabib's weigh in but don't think Gaefthje would have had a chance if he'd had an extra 10 pounds over Khabib at the weigh in.
NuckyThompson said:
That 1lb can be massive, he looked poor when he weighed in and obviously had a hard weight cut,
The scales were definitely dodgy, if he was overweight and was forced to take the extra hour or 2 to lose that 1lb it could have ruined him meaning JG may have won. Or he may not have been able to make the weight, I’m not sure if it’s the same as boxing where he’d forfeit the title on the scales though.
He’s a dominant performer though, but I don’t think the UFC will miss him to much in a commercial sense. PPVs are where the money is and there’s bigger sellers out there and to come too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3EDIG7LtisThe scales were definitely dodgy, if he was overweight and was forced to take the extra hour or 2 to lose that 1lb it could have ruined him meaning JG may have won. Or he may not have been able to make the weight, I’m not sure if it’s the same as boxing where he’d forfeit the title on the scales though.
He’s a dominant performer though, but I don’t think the UFC will miss him to much in a commercial sense. PPVs are where the money is and there’s bigger sellers out there and to come too
you must have missed this Dana interview.
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