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baptistsan said:
Because any naughties can be flushed from your system in 5 days. They wont show up in a drug test but you have obviously benefited from them.
?????you`re answering a question i didn`t ask fella.i was asking a rhetorical question about mayweather`s silence.but since you you have posted this fact then i can`t see anything underhanded by pacquiao here,if what you state is true why would he say he was happy to undergo unlimited random urine samples??if he was to steg up on a monday and happened to get randomly tested before the saturday then his carreer and legacy are in tatters.nobody has come up with a good reason why what he has agreed to is insufficient.
tuscaneer said:
what i don`t understand here is why three separate blood tests still aren`t enough.as stated previously,one in january,one 30 days before the fight and one in the locker room immediately after the fight.can anyone realistically say that this is not enough??
Was answering that question.As already mentioned urine tests are relatively easy to beat.
baptistsan said:
tuscaneer said:
what i don`t understand here is why three separate blood tests still aren`t enough.as stated previously,one in january,one 30 days before the fight and one in the locker room immediately after the fight.can anyone realistically say that this is not enough??
Was answering that question.As already mentioned urine tests are relatively easy to beat.
From what I've read they do pick up many substances but not all. It is also quite easy to mask something you shouldn't have been taking and fool the urine test.
It seems Manny is happy to have drug tests on set dates but not random ones. It is this that PBF is insisting on and is quite happy to undergo himself.
I'm just hoping that this is all a big marketing ploy to hype the fight further. But am concerned about Manny's reluctance to accept random drug testing.
It seems Manny is happy to have drug tests on set dates but not random ones. It is this that PBF is insisting on and is quite happy to undergo himself.
I'm just hoping that this is all a big marketing ploy to hype the fight further. But am concerned about Manny's reluctance to accept random drug testing.
Sure that this will get worked out one way or another, too big a fight for both to turn down.
Mayweather probably shades this one for me, although I do expect this to be a real tear up.
I cannot see either of them walking away. Pac has already stated he does not want to fight on for more than a few years so this makes sense for him both financially and also to cement his legacy as hall of famer. Same for Mayweather.
I personally think this is either a load of b*ll*x by Floyd to unsettle Pacquiao or it is just hype to promote the fight.
Persoanlly I hope that it is the latter as I will certianly be heading over to watch this one.
Mayweather probably shades this one for me, although I do expect this to be a real tear up.
I cannot see either of them walking away. Pac has already stated he does not want to fight on for more than a few years so this makes sense for him both financially and also to cement his legacy as hall of famer. Same for Mayweather.
I personally think this is either a load of b*ll*x by Floyd to unsettle Pacquiao or it is just hype to promote the fight.
Persoanlly I hope that it is the latter as I will certianly be heading over to watch this one.
Urine samples are pretty much a waste of time.
PEDs and other advanced substances can be undetectable in as little as 3 days, depending on dosage.
In reality, pre-determined test dates are a complete waste of time, hence the new Olympic rules, IMO are a good idea to implement, especially in such high profile fights.
The amounts withdrawn are at a maximum of 300ml, but that's for multiple testing in hospitals, for this it'd be much less.
Also it's possible an entire blood transfusion could be done, which would both replace oxygen carrying and remove all traces of enhancers.
It's very easy to cheat if you know when.
PEDs and other advanced substances can be undetectable in as little as 3 days, depending on dosage.
In reality, pre-determined test dates are a complete waste of time, hence the new Olympic rules, IMO are a good idea to implement, especially in such high profile fights.
The amounts withdrawn are at a maximum of 300ml, but that's for multiple testing in hospitals, for this it'd be much less.
Also it's possible an entire blood transfusion could be done, which would both replace oxygen carrying and remove all traces of enhancers.
It's very easy to cheat if you know when.
This has peed me off too, I have my flights and hotel booked ready for the MGM!!!
I don't see what the problem is if Manny has agreed to take a blood test straight after the fight in the locker room. I'm sure the results wouldn't be any different from taking it a couple of days before the bout and 15 minutes after the fight?
If Mayweather is afraid then I don't know, as I personally think he will win on points and it would be a real shame if this fight doesn't go ahead. If Mayweather does fight MP and wins, it will shut most of his critics up.
I don't see what the problem is if Manny has agreed to take a blood test straight after the fight in the locker room. I'm sure the results wouldn't be any different from taking it a couple of days before the bout and 15 minutes after the fight?
If Mayweather is afraid then I don't know, as I personally think he will win on points and it would be a real shame if this fight doesn't go ahead. If Mayweather does fight MP and wins, it will shut most of his critics up.
I wouldn't be too concerned by all the posturing. We've all been there loads of time, especially with both Pacquiao and Mayweather involved.
The Mayweather camp has now backed down from the USDA rules and as neither fighter has specifically stated that the fight is off then I would not be overly bothered at this stage.
Very confident this fight will happen, there is too much money at stake for it not to.
Keep an eye on sites like Eastside boxing or Boxing Scene for the latest.
The Mayweather camp has now backed down from the USDA rules and as neither fighter has specifically stated that the fight is off then I would not be overly bothered at this stage.
Very confident this fight will happen, there is too much money at stake for it not to.
Keep an eye on sites like Eastside boxing or Boxing Scene for the latest.
east side is a good site isn`t it? seems to have the news first.interesting article there today with possible reasons for all this malarky.i hadn`t heard that manny had his eardrum burst in the cotto fight and the fact that roach said after the fight that there was no way manny would be ready for march 13th.if this is the case then surely all this drug testing goal shifting is to build the fight?does it need building?
i agree that it will definately happen but i`d wager it won`t be until the summer.i hope manny isn`t caught out juicing or my faith in the sport is going to wain
i agree that it will definately happen but i`d wager it won`t be until the summer.i hope manny isn`t caught out juicing or my faith in the sport is going to wain
tuscaneer said:
east side is a good site isn`t it? seems to have the news first.interesting article there today with possible reasons for all this malarky.i hadn`t heard that manny had his eardrum burst in the cotto fight and the fact that roach said after the fight that there was no way manny would be ready for march 13th.if this is the case then surely all this drug testing goal shifting is to build the fight?does it need building?
i agree that it will definately happen but i`d wager it won`t be until the summer.i hope manny isn`t caught out juicing or my faith in the sport is going to wain
Sincerely doubt that he has been on anything other than accepted supplements (doesn't have the appearance of regular steroid users for example; skin tone, acne, etc.) but if he has then given the stakes and his financial access to good scientists/nutritionists/'helpers' - the Chad Nicholls of the world - then I'd be amazed if he got caught out!i agree that it will definately happen but i`d wager it won`t be until the summer.i hope manny isn`t caught out juicing or my faith in the sport is going to wain
I bet we know only the half of it re. the latest tailored drugs and the ability to mask/flush them post haste as the chemists will always be trying to keep one step ahead and already the stories from the bodybuilding and strength/power communities is that some things are 'out there' that are hard to nail. But I just don't see him needing or feeling like he'd benefit from drugs.
Especially give he is in the Roach camp - the guy who convinced Amir Kahn, who had been publicly reveling in the muscle and strength he'd gained in his 1st year, that he was too muscular and supposedly dropped the weight lifting from his routine (though I think he looked bigger again last time out?)
I have several training/conditioning videos from Freddie Roach and his former strength and conditioning expert Justine Fortune continually makes the point about not doing things that make a boxer "too bulky", saying they don't help and instead focusing on plyometrics, stretching and torso development.
elitedetailer said:
I've just read today that it's "judgment day".
Bob Arum has presented his final offer to Team Mayweather and if they don't agree the terms MP will be fighting Paul Mag.......
Bob Arum has presented his final offer to Team Mayweather and if they don't agree the terms MP will be fighting Paul Mag.......
The offer is to present the test issue to the Nevada panel and both sides to abide by th ruling.
Personally hope Mayweather turns it down and the stigma now attached to Pac sticks, no reason not to agree if both fighters in same boat imo.
Lost_BMW said:
amir_j said:
Personally hope Mayweather turns it down and the stigma now attached to Pac sticks, no reason not to agree if both fighters in same boat imo.
What?!Why not just do it and go on and win, rather than potentially having a question mark forever hanging over you.
amir_j said:
Lost_BMW said:
amir_j said:
Personally hope Mayweather turns it down and the stigma now attached to Pac sticks, no reason not to agree if both fighters in same boat imo.
What?!Why not just do it and go on and win, rather than potentially having a question mark forever hanging over you.
If there was any form of drugs in his system on fight night, the blood test straight after the fight would pick this up no?
It seems Mayweather is trying to call all the shots in this bout, are they not also fighting at Mayweather's optimum weight not Pacman's as he is naturally lighter? Can someone clarify on this?
I think there will be bigger question marks on Mayweather's career as Pacman hasn't got a "ducking" reputation.
All being said, if they do fight, I think Mayweather will win on points.
Either way, I want the fight to go ahead as I WILL be there!
amir_j said:
Lost_BMW said:
amir_j said:
Personally hope Mayweather turns it down and the stigma now attached to Pac sticks, no reason not to agree if both fighters in same boat imo.
What?!Why not just do it and go on and win, rather than potentially having a question mark forever hanging over you.
But, he's rightly offended so likely to resist the slur and unlikely - given pride, status etc. - to cow tow to FM and just give in at step one. Plus his management et al will know it's designed to hassle/unsettle him so again, likely to resist the mind games unless absolutely nailed to a test.
And as for the stigma sticking, do you really think he's drugged his way to the top? Don't you think he's earned his reputation? Do you think it fair that he be subject to slights and sly inferences that taint his reputation just as he hits the top of his game?
elitedetailer said:
amir_j said:
Lost_BMW said:
amir_j said:
Personally hope Mayweather turns it down and the stigma now attached to Pac sticks, no reason not to agree if both fighters in same boat imo.
What?!Why not just do it and go on and win, rather than potentially having a question mark forever hanging over you.
If there was any form of drugs in his system on fight night, the blood test straight after the fight would pick this up no?
It seems Mayweather is trying to call all the shots in this bout, are they not also fighting at Mayweather's optimum weight not Pacman's as he is naturally lighter? Can someone clarify on this?
I think there will be bigger question marks on Mayweather's career as Pacman hasn't got a "ducking" reputation.
All being said, if they do fight, I think Mayweather will win on points.
Either way, I want the fight to go ahead as I WILL be there!
1) Mayweather isn't doing 'new style', you have the 'softer' boxing standard tests which are different to standard most sports tests, the international doping commission (forgot official name) who cover most other sports, they take 3 I think prior to event, Pac man agreed to do these IF they were pre-planned dates and times. they refused this as their rules are random- remember how Rio got banned as they turned up on a random day and he went missing?...
So question mark one over him is why refuse random? if preplanned dates then a potential drug user could make sure he was clean for the test by not taking anything for X days prior.
2) We aren't talking about after the fight, drugs can be used to great effect to assist the training rather than the actual fight so if the after fight test is clean that does not mean all was rosy.
Lost_BMW said:
And as for the stigma sticking, do you really think he's drugged his way to the top? Don't you think he's earned his reputation? Do you think it fair that he be subject to slights and sly inferences that taint his reputation just as he hits the top of his game?
Probably not, but the accusation has been made and will forever linger in the air if the fight does not go ahead. If does go ahead and he wins then people will unlikely to mention but if this fight does not happen then he will look bad. No smoke without fire and all that.e.g Eastside boxing is an established forum - 26% when polled say yes which is a sizable minority.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php...
Edited by amir_j on Monday 28th December 20:33
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