The **BOXING** thread

[Busso GTA]

Agreed I believe GGG is the best option for Froch it would be a massive tear up and win or loss would end Froch's career on a high as the toughest boxer this land has ever produced , Ward would be a bore fest and to be honest he was not interested a few years ago but now he needs Froch more than Froch needs him .

[FredClogs]

Today they're saying Broner Vs Khan seems to be a done deal, in May!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/32147141

There are so many good fights in that division, makes you wonder whether they could pull everyone together for some kind of 8 man tournament! That would be amazing.

[Yiliterate]

FredClogs said:

Today they're saying Broner Vs Khan seems to be a done deal, in May!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/32147141

There are so many good fights in that division, makes you wonder whether they could pull everyone together for some kind of 8 man tournament! That would be amazing.

Khan had indicated he couldn't take the 13th June Wembley date offered by Hearn because he'd already given his word on a fight in late May. Whispers were suggesting Cotto, which didn't seem to make much sense as he's a world champion two weight divisions higher. This obviously makes more sense, though slightly surprised Broner is willing to step back up to Welterweight already, having only recently stepped down to Light Welterweight (unless they agree a catch-weight, which would be a surprise).

Great fight though - will be big calls for Khan to fight Mayweather (assuming FMJ comes through his 2nd May appointment) if he impresses against Broner.

[SR7492]

So Brook's next opponent will be . . . . . . . .???

I'm sure Eddie will find another 'Yo Yo Dan' from somewhere

[Amirhussain]

I hope Khan V Brook happens soon. I think Khan will outclass Brook. Khan's chin isn't the best in the business, but I don't think it is as bad as people make it out to be. Brook won't be able to handle Khans speed.

Brook is good, but he hasn't really fought anyone major, the Porter fight wasn't all that. His after a payday, and I bet deep inside, Eddie Hearns knows it too.

[Yiliterate]

SR7492 said:

So Brook's next opponent will be . . . . . . . .???

I'm sure Eddie will find another 'Yo Yo Dan' from somewhere

Hearn didn't 'find' Jo Jo Dan anywhere - he was given to Brook by the IBF as his mandatory...

[Robatr0n]

Amirhussain said:

Brook is good, but he hasn't really fought anyone major, the Porter fight wasn't all that. He's after a payday, and I bet deep inside, Eddie Hearns knows it too.

Isn't that what any prize fighter does...? Khan lost what amounts to years of his career chasing a payday with Mayweather or Pacquiao that he would almost certainly lose. You can't knock Brook but applaud Khan for doing the very same thing but on a much larger scale.

SR7492 said:

So Brook's next opponent will be . . . . . . . .???

I'm sure Eddie will find another 'Yo Yo Dan' from somewhere

You know what a mandatory is, right? Whilst not a top WW, Jo Jo Dan is a very tough and resilient fighter that had never been stopped in his career before he stepped into the ring with Brook. What exactly were you expecting?

As it happens, I'd like to see him face some tougher opposition too and I think we will now his mandatory has been dealt with.

[SR7492]

Yiliterate said:

Hearn didn't 'find' Jo Jo Dan anywhere - he was given to Brook by the IBF as his mandatory...

I meant in terms of finding a similar pedigree boxer as Jo Jo!

[Gerradi]

I don't see Froch & GGG as GGG has stated many times he wants to clear up & become undisputed Champion in his current division. Don't agree that GGG just steams straight in on anyone, he is immensely skillful with his angles & leverage etc , he would outbox/Class Froch as Ward did, just in a different way IMO. Ward/Froch, as been said whats the point, Froch will never beat Ward , a few classes above, Groves showed Froch is not a great boxer & Groves is no Ward IMO.

[Yiliterate]

Amirhussain said:

Brook is good, but he hasn't really fought anyone major, the Porter fight wasn't all that.

Again

Porter got his shot at the world title by beating Julio Diaz (the guy who Khan struggled with - and was put down by - a couple of years ago), won the IBF belt by deservedly beating Alexander (just like Khan did), then battered Malignaggi into submission inside four rounds in his first defence (Khan took 11). For Brook to beat Porter in his own back yard I'd say was nothing less than bldy impressive...

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 1st April 15:24

[Gerradi]

These ratings make you laugh really
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight
Brook above Marquez & Tim Bradley, Miadana & Khan, he might hold a title but C'mon imagine Brook right now against Marquez,Maidana or Bradley..

[Yiliterate]

Gerradi said:

These ratings make you laugh really
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight
Brook above Marquez & Tim Bradley, Miadana & Khan, he might hold a title but C'mon imagine Brook right now against Marquez,Maidana or Bradley..

The hat-trick!

Marquez lost to Bradley, Bradley lost to Pacquiao then drew with someone whose name escapes me (though in fairness I thought Bradley did about enough to win), Maidana's just lost back-to-back fights and Khan last won a world title fight four years ago. So I can kind of understand why the undefeated IBF world champion might be doing okay in the rankings just at the moment...

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 1st April 15:44

[SR7492]

Yiliterate said:

The hat-trick!

Marquez lost to Bradley, Bradley lost to Pacquiao then drew with someone whose name escapes me (though in fairness I thought Bradley did about enough to win), Maidana's just lost back-to-back fights and Khan last won a world title fight four years ago. So I can kind of understand why the undefeated IBF world champion might be doing okay in the rankings just at the moment...

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 1st April 15:44

You forgot to mention Marquez beating Manny in there . . .

[Gerradi]

Lol...So I guess Ali should have lost to Foreman after he lost to Frazier & Norton?
Or Hearns should have not Knocked Duran out clean in the 2nd round in 81 as Leonard was beaten by Duran in 80?
As they say "Styles make fights" not who beat who, do you think Brooks could beat Bradely, if yes then he can beat Manny by your thinking...dosen't always follow as history shows

[Amirhussain]

Yiliterate said:

Amirhussain said:

Brook is good, but he hasn't really fought anyone major, the Porter fight wasn't all that.

For Brook to beat Porter in his own back yard I'd say was nothing less than bldy impressive...

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 1st April 15:24

It was impressive, but that fight was awful.

Khan has fought better opponents, is a bigger name than Brook in the states and probably even the UK, and even without a belt, brings more to the table than Brook.

Kell Brook is a good fighter, but I think his massively overrated. The way Eddie Hearns bigs him up is desperately embarrassing.

I'm not saying Khan is the best fighter in the world, and I know he has his faults, but IMO he will be too much to handle for Brook. Brook is desperate for that big money pay day.

[Yiliterate]

SR7492 said:

You forgot to mention Marquez beating Manny in there . . .

ETA the below is more directed at the comments from Gerradi...

Indeed he did. And so did Bradley. And Maidana beat Broner and Khan beat Alexander. All are top-grade fighters and all are worthy of holding high rankings IMO. However, your implication was that for Brook to appear in the rankings above them, or even above any of them (other than maybe Khan), was essentially laughable.

If you can't countenance how it could be possible for Brook to come out in the rankings above those four, I'd find that slightly baffling as clearly each of those fighters has had stand-out negatives in their recent history (especially at title level) as well as undoubted success, whereas that's not really the case for Brook. Yes, he hasn't had as many big fights as the others so it would be fair to say he shouldn't be above that quartet by a country mile, but what success he has had is a) untainted and b) recent, both of which are bound to play well in rankings, whereas losses don't.

However, it might be that you can see how it is feasible for the rankings to have come out the way they have, but still find it laughable because you're convinced in reality Brook would be outclassed by each of them (or at least three of them?). If that's the case, whilst your perfectly entitled to your opinion, I'd still find it somewhat baffling that you could hold it with that degree of certainty, given Brook has yet to really put a foot wrong in his career. If he'd lost two or three times to second tier opposition and just got lucky with Porter, then I could understand it, but as things stand, he's looked a class above just about anyone he's fought and on the one clear occasion he has operated at the top level (see above for Porter's credentials) he secured a highly creditable win.

For what it's worth, I think you can throw a blanket over those five (with Thurman approaching as well) - any ordering of the rankings would have a degree of merit given it's not an exact science, and I'd say none of those fighters would be without a chance against any of the others...

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 1st April 17:57

[Yiliterate]

Gerradi said:

Lol...So I guess Ali should have lost to Foreman after he lost to Frazier & Norton?
Or Hearns should have not Knocked Duran out clean in the 2nd round in 81 as Leonard was beaten by Duran in 80?
As they say "Styles make fights" not who beat who, do you think Brooks could beat Bradely, if yes then he can beat Manny by your thinking...dosen't always follow as history shows

Not really what I was getting at - hopefully explained in the post above! To make it clear, the reason I listed those losses/negatives was to pick out for each fighter points in their recent(ish) history that could impact their ranking - I wasn't making an 'A beat B and B beat C, so A beats C' argument...

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 1st April 18:45

[FredClogs]

They need to have a Kumite - 1 night to sort it out, tournament stylee - don't worry abut the brain injuries - they'll all earn enough to retire and the winner could probably build several hospitals with the proceeds... I'm hoping this is the kind of stuff Al Haymon is dreaming up!

Rakings are shady but you can't rank a guy based on who he hasn't fought or what he hasn't done, only on what he has done and what he has done is beat a ranked guy and won a world title. I don't think he will beat Khan though but think he's got a hell of a chance against everyone else below him on that list.

[SR7492]

So Khan announces Chris Algieri as his next opponent - 30th May.

Easy Khan win on the cards then . . . . Was hoping for someone better!

[Yazar]

He announced it on his wifes youtube channel which she setup to talk about how she applies her makeup... very apt.

Kell Brook reaction: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/...

Edited by Yazar on Friday 3rd April 10:03