Discussion
Bobtherallyfan said:
We were initially hoping it would go ahead with much reduced capacity but it became clear that Goodwood were using the Pilot Event status to increase capacity right up to the end. Then we saw the event map which looked pretty thin on the ground. Final straw was the behaviour of England football fans which clearly demonstrated large groups can’t be trusted to behave responsibly in terms of social distancing. My wife was worried so we made the decision not to go.
It was designed to push the situation to it’s absolute limit. There were certain things insisted upon by the authorities, and those happened, but the idea was to get a lot of people mixing, with minimal restrictions. It did feel like a normal FOS, albeit a very slightly scaled down one. The next couple of weeks will tell us everything we need to know about the effects of an event like this, from the viewpoint of the pandemic. ch37 said:
Most people were seated in the very top one when I was up there, as long as everyone sits that works, as it's high enough to comfortably see over the hay.
They would have been sat on the ledges / steps, there aren’t any actual seats in them. The top paddock one gets very muddy if the weather’s bad, so there were a few dirty bottoms I’d imagine.Maximus_Meridius101 said:
It was designed to push the situation to it’s absolute limit......... The next couple of weeks will tell us everything we need to know about the effects of an event like this, from the viewpoint of the pandemic.
How are the authorities responsible for monitoring this even going to correlate attendees to the FoS with cases transmitted at the event?Have you completed the optional online form which would facilitate a proper, quantitative assessment?
I'd wager very few people have, seriously undermining, and quite possible completely negating, the scientific value of the FoS as trial.
I very much question your assertion that we'll know everything we need to know about permitting people to mix freely at events like this in the context of the pandemic - what is the basis for this statement?
I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong, but I very much question the scientific value of the trial at Goodwood.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
It did feel like a normal FOS, albeit a very slightly scaled down one.
I was my first time attending the event, so I've no prior comparison to draw on (other than what I've seen on TV!) - just out of curiosity, what elements were scaled down for 2021? (were there fewer competitors / manufacturers etc?)To be fair to Goodwood, all of the attendees were supposed to be fully double vaccinated or tested Covid-free max. 48 hours prior to arriving. Yes there were thousands of people milling about, but very few of them were likely to be passing CV-19 on to others. I would wager that you would have had a far greater chance of contracting the virus doing the shopping in your local High St / supermarket or going to the pub for a few pints, than wandering about in the open air at Goodwood. How this helps if we are lifting restrictions anyway, I don’t know…
I'm not for a second questioning Goodwood's organisation of the event which I thought was excellent - incredible in may ways given how late in the day they finally got the 'OK' to go ahead.
What I do very much question is the assertion made by Maximus_Meridius101 that this event is going to tell us 'everything we need to know' about will impact infection numbers.
What I do very much question is the assertion made by Maximus_Meridius101 that this event is going to tell us 'everything we need to know' about will impact infection numbers.
Edited by WhyOne on Thursday 15th July 15:47
Wrc.555 said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
It did feel like a normal FOS, albeit a very slightly scaled down one.
I was my first time attending the event, so I've no prior comparison to draw on (other than what I've seen on TV!) - just out of curiosity, what elements were scaled down for 2021? (were there fewer competitors / manufacturers etc?)The hill felt relatively normal to me, just an absence of US cars that might usually attend and less bikes than in some years.
We had a great weekend and were really glad it went ahead. With a Premier Inn stop the night before to be nearby and not such an early start it was the first night away from home for me and the OH since Covid started, with the kids and dog back at home with family.
I'm looking forward to next year now, likely adding grandstand tickets in case of rain! I'll definitely do Performance Parking (West) again as being able to easily pop back to the car was useful in itself as well as not having to negotiate any muddy fields with a relatively low car on the way in or out (gravel road followed by metal sheets on the ground and just the last 100 yards being flat grass).
The ERP was nothing more than a way of allowing some big, already organised, internationally important events to go ahead. We probably have the Euros to thank, allowing 65,000 in to Wembley and telling Goodwood/Silverstone people couldn't stand outside was never going to go down well.
There is no scientific value whatsoever to it, if I get COVID this week there is no real link to FoS that could ever be proved or tracked.
The F1 race is a few hours before nightclubs open, so any noise from Goodwood or Silverstone will quickly be swamped by the general lifting of restrictions.
There is no scientific value whatsoever to it, if I get COVID this week there is no real link to FoS that could ever be proved or tracked.
The F1 race is a few hours before nightclubs open, so any noise from Goodwood or Silverstone will quickly be swamped by the general lifting of restrictions.
Edited by ch37 on Thursday 15th July 16:19
ch37 said:
The ERP was nothing more than a way of allowing some big, already organised, internationally important events to go ahead. We probably have the Euros to thank, allowing 65,000 in to Wembley and telling Goodwood/Silverstone people couldn't stand outside was never going to go down well.
There is no scientific value whatsoever to it, if I get COVID this week there is no real link to FoS that could ever be proved or tracked.
The F1 race is a few hours before nightclubs open, so any noise from Goodwood or Silverstone will quickly be swamped by the general lifting of restrictions.
This is very much my view, but as folk here are making bold, firm statements about the quantity and quality of knowledge to be gained I wondered if, by just applying a little common sense and logic to the situation based on the information I provided to attend Goodwood, I am somehow wide of the mark. There is no scientific value whatsoever to it, if I get COVID this week there is no real link to FoS that could ever be proved or tracked.
The F1 race is a few hours before nightclubs open, so any noise from Goodwood or Silverstone will quickly be swamped by the general lifting of restrictions.
Edited by ch37 on Thursday 15th July 16:19
Wrc.555 said:
I was my first time attending the event, so I've no prior comparison to draw on (other than what I've seen on TV!) - just out of curiosity, what elements were scaled down for 2021? (were there fewer competitors / manufacturers etc?)
. A lot of the foreign competitors / cars were missing this year. Although it was a healthy crowd, it was no where near 2018 levels ( for example). WhyOne said:
How are the authorities responsible for monitoring this even going to correlate attendees to the FoS with cases transmitted at the event?
Have you completed the optional online form which would facilitate a proper, quantitative assessment?
I'd wager very few people have, seriously undermining, and quite possible completely negating, the scientific value of the FoS as trial.
I very much question your assertion that we'll know everything we need to know about permitting people to mix freely at events like this in the context of the pandemic - what is the basis for this statement?
I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong, but I very much question the scientific value of the trial at Goodwood.
There was an expected / anticipated level of compliance with regulations, regarding track and trace and the like, on any indoor spaces, at least. They will apply the W.H.O. scaling algorithm to get a handle on the bigger picture, and look for any clusters of hospitalisations and / or deaths, that can be attributed to this event. Have you completed the optional online form which would facilitate a proper, quantitative assessment?
I'd wager very few people have, seriously undermining, and quite possible completely negating, the scientific value of the FoS as trial.
I very much question your assertion that we'll know everything we need to know about permitting people to mix freely at events like this in the context of the pandemic - what is the basis for this statement?
I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong, but I very much question the scientific value of the trial at Goodwood.
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 15th July 18:29
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 15th July 18:30
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
There was an expected / anticipated level of compliance with regulations, regarding track and trace and the like, on any indoor spaces, at least. They will apply the W.H.O. scaling algorithm to get a handle on the bigger picture, and look for any clusters of hospitalisations and / or deaths, that can be attributed to this event.
Goodness!Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 15th July 18:29
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 15th July 18:30
That is 'wooly' at the very best.
How on earth can you possibly claim that is going to tell us 'evetything'?!
As per my earlier question, did you completed the requested attendee information form before / immediately after the event?
WhyOne said:
Goodness!
That is 'wooly' at the very best.
I would imagine possibly deliberately so.That is 'wooly' at the very best.
WhyOne said:
How on earth can you possibly claim that is going to tell us 'evetything'?!
It will tell us what we need to know.WhyOne said:
As per my earlier question, did you completed the requested attendee information form before / immediately after the event?
Caws I did.Maximus_Meridius101 said:
WhyOne said:
Goodness!
That is 'wooly' at the very best.
I would imagine possibly deliberately so.That is 'wooly' at the very best.
WhyOne said:
How on earth can you possibly claim that is going to tell us 'everything'?!
It will tell us what we need to know.WhyOne said:
.......
Why would you set up a trial event in such a way as to make any findings deliberately inconclusive and uncertain? Your imagination is clearly a lot more capable than mine...pray tell!OK, so we moved on from the event telling us 'everything', to telling us 'what we need to know' (presumably in an uncertain and unreliable manner?!). What is it that we 'need to know' and how if the FoS pilot event going to deliver this?
WhyOne said:
Why would you set up a trial event in such a way as to make any findings deliberately inconclusive and uncertain? Your imagination is clearly a lot more capable than mine...pray tell!
OK, so we moved on from the event telling us 'everything', to telling us 'what we need to know' (presumably in an uncertain and unreliable manner?!). What is it that we 'need to know' and how if the FoS pilot event going to deliver this?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...OK, so we moved on from the event telling us 'everything', to telling us 'what we need to know' (presumably in an uncertain and unreliable manner?!). What is it that we 'need to know' and how if the FoS pilot event going to deliver this?
It’s already happening.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It’s already happening.
Yes, it's a shame but hardly surprising. It’s already happening.
Anyway, back to why you think this event, 'designed to push the situation to it’s absolute limit' may be deliberately set up to deliver uncertain/unreliable results?
WhyOne said:
Yes, it's a shame but hardly surprising.
Anyway, back to why you think this event, 'designed to push the situation to it’s absolute limit' may be deliberately set up to deliver uncertain/unreliable results?
I don’t know. Personally speaking, If I had a lot of investment from various commercial partners, in my event. I’d look for the path of least resistance, whilst still staying legal. Maybe that’s just me.Anyway, back to why you think this event, 'designed to push the situation to it’s absolute limit' may be deliberately set up to deliver uncertain/unreliable results?
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