Hillclimb - why are just F1 cars banned from setting times?
Discussion
Unreal said:
Claiming outright records when only one category is allowed to compete is rather disingenuous.
This was my original point, well that and why it’s considered safer for the IDR and McMurtry to go full chat up the hill but not other cars. Think the timed shootout is a nice feature to round off the weekend.
I’m not against Electric cars at all, the McMurtry was an astonishing sight this weekend.
Unreal said:
The Goodwood 'feedback email' which has arrived in my inbox is dominated by questions about electric cars. Make of that what you will.
In terms of records, I think the best way to satisfy all parties would be to have different categories for ICE cars, EVs and any other people think is necessary.
Claiming outright records when only one category is allowed to compete is rather disingenuous.
This is amazing. The record is now "disingenuous". Priceless stuff.In terms of records, I think the best way to satisfy all parties would be to have different categories for ICE cars, EVs and any other people think is necessary.
Claiming outright records when only one category is allowed to compete is rather disingenuous.
Lord March is well known for being a huge petrolhead, but he's also a massive fan of automotive technology. Hence the wide variety of kit on display yesterday.
Given that it's not actually a proper competitive event, and merely a showcase for invited cars (a list vetted by March himself) that happens to be timed to make it interesting, I really can't see why you're getting your blouse so creased over it.
Some people just love picking obscure hills to die on.
Eric Mc said:
I thought the McMurtry was gob smacking and is the type of car that will make electric power "sexy" (much more than Formula E and dare I say it, current Formula 1).
I wonder what a race series with such vehicles would be like.
Very dull, I expect. Racing is far more exciting where cars have more power than grip. Watching a field of McMurtries going around every corner like they're on rails would be fairly tedious, we probably wouldn't see much overtaking, and they don't sound very interesting.I wonder what a race series with such vehicles would be like.
Don't get me wrong, in isolation, watching it blast up the hill was utterly staggering. I was just past the wall and to see it flying past there and disappearing between the trees a couple of seconds later was something I won't forget in a very long time, nor the speed that the Supervan was carrying through there!
I'm not so sure. Downforce from wings is what causes the problem to the following cars, preventing them from running close together. If all the cars were obtaining their downforce from underfloor aerodynamics and a fan, then the "wing factor" disappears.
I would expect that they could run fairly close together and overtaking would be down to picking the right line and outbraking - just like the old days.
I would expect that they could run fairly close together and overtaking would be down to picking the right line and outbraking - just like the old days.
Eric Mc said:
I'm not so sure. Downforce from wings is what causes the problem to the following cars, preventing them from running close together. If all the cars were obtaining their downforce from underfloor aerodynamics and a fan, then the "wing factor" disappears.
I would expect that they could run fairly close together and overtaking would be down to picking the right line and outbraking - just like the old days.
The problem with masses of grip isn't just loss of downforce when following. If all the cars are cornering like they're on rails, how does a driver get enough of an advantage to get ahead? You need cars that move around, that drivers have to balance on the edge of grip throughout a lap, where there's more of a possibility of someone making a mistake.I would expect that they could run fairly close together and overtaking would be down to picking the right line and outbraking - just like the old days.
Otherwise you just end up with the fastest drivers qualifying at the front and driving away from the slower drivers that qualified at the back. You won't get outbraking because the drivers will just be able to nail the brake pedal thanks to the constant downforce, cars won't get loose on corner exit because they'll be able to get hard on the power.
Simply having a field of ridiculously fast cars is not enough to give entertaining racing.
I'd love to see at least one race with them to see how it would go before I came to any conclusion.
To be fair, I'd love no downforce at all - but that is never going to happen unless we wind the clock back to sometime around 1965 (and even then Can Am and Le Mans cars were already exploring such things).
To be fair, I'd love no downforce at all - but that is never going to happen unless we wind the clock back to sometime around 1965 (and even then Can Am and Le Mans cars were already exploring such things).
ColdoRS said:
As for having a load of hillclimb guys come and challenge the record every year, I agree that would offer good competition but it would be relatively crap to watch, Goodwood FOS visitors want to see the latest technology and race cars with provenance and legendary drivers they remember from race series in years gone by.
Whilst I take your point in the context of this specific event, there’s not many things more exciting that watching a top twelve run off whilst sat at the top of a hillclimb championship - those things are monsters!Edited by ChevronB19 on Monday 27th June 12:59
Stick Legs said:
IIRC the only fatality at Goodwood was an F1 car.
John Dawson Damer’s Lotus 63 hit the finish barrier & a Marshall Andrew Carpenter was hit.
Both died.
I would imagine that a blanket ban was likely imposed shortly after and no-one has rescinded it since.
As you can see current F1 cars flat chat at Silverstone I would think there is no appetite to change the status quo.
For my 2 cents I actually enjoy the F1 cars going slower as you can actually see the damn things!
Two obvious reasons for not doing timed current F1 shootouts come to mind -John Dawson Damer’s Lotus 63 hit the finish barrier & a Marshall Andrew Carpenter was hit.
Both died.
I would imagine that a blanket ban was likely imposed shortly after and no-one has rescinded it since.
As you can see current F1 cars flat chat at Silverstone I would think there is no appetite to change the status quo.
For my 2 cents I actually enjoy the F1 cars going slower as you can actually see the damn things!
1) If the worst happens and an F1 driver is killed, would be far more serious from a commercial point of view than if anyone else is killed running at the event.
2) Lots of far noisier and more entertaining slightly older F1 cars available, using teams historic racing resources rather than interrupting a busy race team.
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