Goodwood Revival - 2023 Live Coverage

[Cledus Snow]

moffspeed said:

thegreenhell said:

It's a shame they've gone with the F1 commentators who seem to know naff all about the cars other than what's on the crib sheet they've been given.

Agree totally.

Put up the Bat Signal for Marcus Pye - he’s there somewhere.

Agree with this, Absolutely awful. They were even worse than when doing the F1.

[RichB]

kjs62 said:

Last year's St Mary's was listed as saloon cars 1960-66

St Mary's Trophy alternates between '50s and '60s each event.

[kjs62]

RichB said:

kjs62 said:

Last year's St Mary's was listed as saloon cars 1960-66

St Mary's Trophy alternates between '50s and '60s each event.

Yes I should've quoted someone above who said it was 60 to 63 cars only
Something I noticed this year in the 50s cars that there used to be MG Magnettes - minor - volvo - borgward isabella - Merc saloon - even a Volga I think a few years ago so less range of cars

[thegreenhell]

kjs62 said:

<snip> so less range of cars

Similar has happened in the TT race over the last few years. It's now mostly Cobras and E-Types, with just a handful of others which are mostly American V8 power as well. Not a single Ferrari or Aston Martin in the field this year.

[ettore]

thegreenhell said:

Similar has happened in the TT race over the last few years. It's now mostly Cobras and E-Types, with just a handful of others which are mostly American V8 power as well. Not a single Ferrari or Aston Martin in the field this year.

Yes, but I think those have all been diverted to other races where the cars (and specs) are more authentic. The pre-63 GT races (and the Ferrari race this year) for example. The TT has become something different with hyper-developed cars, many of which are essentially new. I think this is probably a smart development that keeps some authenticity elsewhere whilst maintaining the competitive spectacle of the TT.

[RichB]

ettore said:

thegreenhell said:

Similar has happened in the TT race over the last few years. It's now mostly Cobras and E-Types, with just a handful of others which are mostly American V8 power as well. Not a single Ferrari or Aston Martin in the field this year.

Yes, but I think those have all been diverted to other races where the cars (and specs) are more authentic. The pre-63 GT races (and the Ferrari race this year) for example. The TT has become something different with hyper-developed cars, many of which are essentially new. I think this is probably a smart development that keeps some authenticity elsewhere whilst maintaining the competitive spectacle of the TT.

I find the TT less interesting with all the Cobras, they are fine but there's simply too many of them.

[CKY]

CKY said:

I noted the Jordans' Alfa was absent from both races despite sounding in rude health during qualifying?

Just thought, did anyone at the circuit see what happened with Justin Law's A. W. Betts Mk1 Jag at the end of the St Marys Trophy Part 2 race?

Just saw the car unfortunately parked in the barrier and the live coverage missed the lead-up to the accident - Butterfield got asked on the grid and seemed a bit 'stony' when asked to go in to what had happened; I know Justin is a very good driver and doesn't often make mistakes so wondered if there had been a collision between the 2 Jags or maybe a mechanical failure?

No one there working running a car/cars any idea on the above yet? Not speaking to my preparer until next week, was wondering if anyone had any info before then.

[nicanary]

kjs62 said:

RichB said:

kjs62 said:

Last year's St Mary's was listed as saloon cars 1960-66

St Mary's Trophy alternates between '50s and '60s each event.

Yes I should've quoted someone above who said it was 60 to 63 cars only
Something I noticed this year in the 50s cars that there used to be MG Magnettes - minor - volvo - borgward isabella - Merc saloon - even a Volga I think a few years ago so less range of cars

There used to be a Rover P4, an Austin Metropolitan and of course the Alvis Grey Lady which was banned. In period there was even a team of Daimler Conquests (!). Maybe the regular entrants are sussing out what will be competitive - I don't think there's any problem with their entry being accepted because in my mind there's a closed clique of favourites who know they will be called on by the organisers.

I was pleased to see the Jags so competitive this year. The cynic in me wonders whether the Thunderbird was asked to slow down the tempo to make it look more like a race. Anyhoo, anything homologated in period is allowed in, and the Ford was raced in NASCAR events (Bill Shepherd has the number painted on the roof authentically) so there's nowt we can do. The Studebaker was pathetically slow and THAT was much more realistic.

[aeropilot]

nicanary said:

Anyhoo, anything homologated in period is allowed in, and the Ford was raced in NASCAR events (Bill Shepherd has the number painted on the roof authentically) so there's nowt we can do.

They were......and historically very significant in regards what was the birth of NASCAR legendary prep company, Holman Moody, as their building and prep of about a dozen '59 430 powered T-Birds for NASCAR was as a result of their first full Ford backed season of NASCAR racing....and the rest as they say, is history.
In many ways, this full factory backed Ford effort with Holman Moody with the '50 430 T-Birds was the birth of what later followed with the Cobra and GT40, Lotus-Cortina, the DFV in F1, the Escort in rallying etc.,etc., and Ford corporate assault on just about every type of motorsport over the next 30 odd years.

[kjs62]

the Ford was raced in NASCAR events (Bill Shepherd has the number painted on the roof authentically) so there's nowt we can do

Fair enough but I thought the st Mary's was meant to reflect 1950s (this year) British touring car racing - thought of some more that have raced in the past
Standard 10 Vauxhall Pa Cresta and FB Victor - fiat saloon and 600? Big old BMW saloon

re the TT I remember 1st year I went in 2008 the 1st laps were a fantastic close race between Ferraris Astons E Types - the Aston Project car seems to have disappeared altogether

[nicanary]

kjs62 said:

the Ford was raced in NASCAR events (Bill Shepherd has the number painted on the roof authentically) so there's nowt we can do

Fair enough but I thought the st Mary's was meant to reflect 1950s (this year) British touring car racing - thought of some more that have raced in the past
Standard 10 Vauxhall Pa Cresta and FB Victor - fiat saloon and 600? Big old BMW saloon

re the TT I remember 1st year I went in 2008 the 1st laps were a fantastic close race between Ferraris Astons E Types - the Aston Project car seems to have disappeared altogether

It's my opinion that the race does not reflect the period entry list because of my previous assertation - the organisers have found a formula for pleasing the public and they know who to invite. We are going to see more and more entry lists exactly the same as the previous year.

I actually got a bit bored this year. You always know who's going to win. Might give it a miss next year to re-stimulate my interest. (I fell asleep in the Lavant grandstand during the 911 race much to the amusement of my neighbouring spectator.)

PS Did they really need to attract so many bikes for that track parade? It went on and on and on..........

[Riley Blue]

CKY said:

Riley Blue said:

Another great St Mary's Trophy race gong on, pity Ding dinged the Riley though...

Amazed the OUMF soldiers keep returning every season, if I were to slog my guts out and devote all my free time to the project as Ding suggests i'd at least expect someone behind the wheel to show similar dedication/skill - given how long Ding has been racing/rallying/road-rallying for now bit of a silly mistake from him there.

Of the race prepared One-Point-Fives that I know, the OUMF car is the only one built to 'Goodwood Spec'.

I think Ding would agree he isn't the fastest driver but to be fair to him, the Jowett had been dumping oil on the racing line around much of the circuit.

[mattdavies]

nicanary said:

PS Did they really need to attract so many bikes for that track parade? It went on and on and on..........

As someone who took part in the parade each day I disagree ... however I am guessing its filler that serves a purpose and adds something to the overall theatre

[RichB]

mattdavies said:

nicanary said:

PS Did they really need to attract so many bikes for that track parade? It went on and on and on..........

As someone who took part in the parade each day I disagree... however I am guessing its filler that serves a purpose and adds something to the overall theatre

There's always a parade of some sort, motor bikes, military vehicles etc. It's something to make a bit of noise and fill the time before the racing starts. I thought the bikes were fine.

[ettore]

I really enjoyed the bike parade and very much welcome the bike content generally. I've also enjoyed the Austin 7's, Military vehicles etc. from previous years. The variety is a key part of the show for me.

[No ideas for a name]

I was holding my tongue a bit, maybe hoping someone would start a general 'how did it go' thread, but this one seems to be full of similar chat now...

I didn't think I was going to be able to go, but managed to get a last minute ticket for the Friday via the tickets thread - ended up starting at 03:30 to get there, and back home by 00:15 the next day!

I know GW don't put the event on for *me*, and there is an argument that history will allways be the same - but it just didn't seem to 'gel' for me this time.
The commentry wasn't great as has been mentioned previously, but I can live without that.

I know it was the Friday, but the crowds didn't seem as great (which is a good thing). Almost to the point that it was almost empty at some time around the back of the circuit. I watched the live feed on the Sunday, and again at the back-side looked quite thin.

I didn't 'get' the theme this year. The Circus 'performers'/dancers were just standing around looking a bit lost. I did at one moment find myself standing next to 'Norman Wisdom' - a very good impersonator, but I didn't get why he was there.

I did think dressing up had gone away a little - maybe not a bad thing, but just not quite as it has been before. Maybe because it was so hot, but I would say most clothing wouldn't have looked much out of the ordinary on any day out - bar maybe the odd Fedora (myself included).

I realise the parades are there as a filler, but again don't do much for me. No doubt it is great to have a run around the circuit if you are in on the parade, but doesn't bring much to the event.

Maybe it hasn't changed, maybe after 15 or more years I have grown tired of it.

The one thing that does annoy me is the 'falseness' of quite a lot of it. The circuit was never, in period, like it is portrayed at the Revival. I accept it is just entertainment though.

The fashion stuff strikes me as a bit odd too. Didn't Goodwood try a standalone 'vintage' event sometime ago and it fell flat? That should tell them that there isn't much interest. The commentry/interviews of the fashion stuff were painful - as if it is new or amazingly special to sew a few buttons on.

I am told by my partner that she doesn't like any of that stuff either - though she hasn't been calibrated to any National or International satndards, so I am not sure if her views are typical!

Messing about with a half-open gate 2 caused much extra walking back to the car - maybe that was only a Friday thing.

More racing, less show needed.

[CKY]

Riley Blue said:

Of the race prepared One-Point-Fives that I know, the OUMF car is the only one built to 'Goodwood Spec'.

I think Ding would agree he isn't the fastest driver but to be fair to him, the Jowett had been dumping oil on the racing line around much of the circuit.

That's fair enough, I know since I worked on the car it's had a hell of a lot of development at the good grace of people like MASS for the engine etc. It appeared to me that Ding was somewhat to the left of the usual racing line going in to St Marys (having been displaced by the Mk7 Jaguar), however can imagine it was a part of the track the Jowett may well have been using when trying to stay 'out of the way' of the quicker cars.

[nicanary]

No ideas for a name said:

I was holding my tongue a bit, maybe hoping someone would start a general 'how did it go' thread, but this one seems to be full of similar chat now...

I didn't think I was going to be able to go, but managed to get a last minute ticket for the Friday via the tickets thread - ended up starting at 03:30 to get there, and back home by 00:15 the next day!

I know GW don't put the event on for *me*, and there is an argument that history will allways be the same - but it just didn't seem to 'gel' for me this time.
The commentry wasn't great as has been mentioned previously, but I can live without that.

I know it was the Friday, but the crowds didn't seem as great (which is a good thing). Almost to the point that it was almost empty at some time around the back of the circuit. I watched the live feed on the Sunday, and again at the back-side looked quite thin.

I didn't 'get' the theme this year. The Circus 'performers'/dancers were just standing around looking a bit lost. I did at one moment find myself standing next to 'Norman Wisdom' - a very good impersonator, but I didn't get why he was there.

I did think dressing up had gone away a little - maybe not a bad thing, but just not quite as it has been before. Maybe because it was so hot, but I would say most clothing wouldn't have looked much out of the ordinary on any day out - bar maybe the odd Fedora (myself included).

I realise the parades are there as a filler, but again don't do much for me. No doubt it is great to have a run around the circuit if you are in on the parade, but doesn't bring much to the event.

Maybe it hasn't changed, maybe after 15 or more years I have grown tired of it.

The one thing that does annoy me is the 'falseness' of quite a lot of it. The circuit was never, in period, like it is portrayed at the Revival. I accept it is just entertainment though.

The fashion stuff strikes me as a bit odd too. Didn't Goodwood try a standalone 'vintage' event sometime ago and it fell flat? That should tell them that there isn't much interest. The commentry/interviews of the fashion stuff were painful - as if it is new or amazingly special to sew a few buttons on.

I am told by my partner that she doesn't like any of that stuff either - though she hasn't been calibrated to any National or International satndards, so I am not sure if her views are typical!

Messing about with a half-open gate 2 caused much extra walking back to the car - maybe that was only a Friday thing.

More racing, less show needed.

Interesting post, because I too felt a little bored with it all this year. Maybe a case of same old same old. I too noticed a) fewer daft outfits, and b)more people in modern dress, but as you say the weather wasn't conducive to tweeds. As a grandstand ticket holder I was entitled to courtesy bus shuttle to Lavant but on Friday they'd lost the key to gate 9. Oh how we all laughed.

It's become a victim of its own success in some ways. The public know what they like and like what they know. The organisers can't really rock the boat too much for fear of losing custom. So same cars in the same races. Same as last year, same as the year before. (Excepting St Marys of course).

The dates for next year easily solved, and all reasonably priced hotels are taken - Chichester, Havant, Bognor, some in Portsmouth. Bonkers. The Premier Inn in Southsea is next to the funfair - don't like the idea of that. I found a barn conversion in Birdham but it had poor reviews. This is a problem every year because "people in the know" have pre-arranged mass bookings and nothing is open to the plebs. Moan over. I'll doubtless be there.

[ettore]

nicanary said:

Interesting post, because I too felt a little bored with it all this year. Maybe a case of same old same old. I too noticed a) fewer daft outfits, and b)more people in modern dress, but as you say the weather wasn't conducive to tweeds. As a grandstand ticket holder I was entitled to courtesy bus shuttle to Lavant but on Friday they'd lost the key to gate 9. Oh how we all laughed.

It's become a victim of its own success in some ways. The public know what they like and like what they know. The organisers can't really rock the boat too much for fear of losing custom. So same cars in the same races. Same as last year, same as the year before. (Excepting St Marys of course).

The dates for next year easily solved, and all reasonably priced hotels are taken - Chichester, Havant, Bognor, some in Portsmouth. Bonkers. The Premier Inn in Southsea is next to the funfair - don't like the idea of that. I found a barn conversion in Birdham but it had poor reviews. This is a problem every year because "people in the know" have pre-arranged mass bookings and nothing is open to the plebs. Moan over. I'll doubtless be there.

I enjoyed it and feel that they change enough each year to keep the interest up - I too noticed the lower volume of outfits but definitely put this down to the heat/humidity. I abandoned my normal tweeds as did about half of the group I was with.

[RichB]

No ideas for a name said:

<clip> More racing, less show needed.

Interestingly I've been to every one bar the first and have all the small paper programmes in the study. There's the same number of races now as there's always been, 14, maybe even one more.