Goodwood Revival - 2023 Live Coverage

Goodwood Revival - 2023 Live Coverage

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No ideas for a name

2,194 posts

87 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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RichB said:
Interestingly I've been to every one bar the first and have all the small paper programmes in the study. There's the same number of races now as there's always been, 14, maybe even one more.
It is a fair point. Numerically it might well be the same - it just seems like there is less competitive 'racing'.
My view of this year might be because I was only able to go for the Friday - I usually go for the four (inc. cricket) days.
I still count the practice as 'races' though.

MM is dramatically worse for this feeling - every time I look up it seems to be a demo. Not withstanding, I will still go to MM as I feel that is the best event of the year.

In the imortal words.. I have started, so I'ill finish...

Revival has become more of a 'day out' than actual motor racing. Which is fine if they are honest about it. More theatre than a race circuit.
The trouble with that is it seems to push actual enthusiasts out a bit. However, on the Friday at least there didn't seem to be as many people who were there just to be seen. The few around the back at St. Mary's with me seemed to be enthusiasts.

I think it has changed. I remember 15+ years ago when I went for the first time - I had some changes in life and decided to just get on with things I had always wanted to do. I parked in carpark B and was in awe of all of the classics in the over the road car show. The whole event was awesome. On my return I had set a target of locating a classic for next year. (Okay, so it took 3 months to obtain a Mk2 Jag that was "ready for paint" [never buy a car from someone who is a welder by trade] - it is currently in boxes in the garage - mechanically done, just bodywork to do). Mrs NIFAN has promissed we will make a proper weekend of it when the Mk2 is ready. Every year it I think, can't wait to bring the Mk2.

Across the road seems to have got too big in terms of people just selling things. It seemed to be more historic and fairground - it is now just selling largely 'tat' (expensive tat, but it just doesn't add anything to the event [presumably it does add cash to the Estate]).
Sky sponsoring the 'drive in cinema' is daft. In theory I would love to sit and watch the Itallian Job, but not whilst the racing is on. Every time I walked past it was empty. I know their 'film set' tries hard, but again that just seemed to miss the mark and be pointless.
It reduces the size of the future motorshow too. I almost laughed at the size of the electic MINI, next to a classic Mini.
I guess the estate gets cash from BMW, but there seemed to be too much BMW/RR corporate stuff pushed.

Don't even start me on the magazine that GW publishes - it is odd and seems to try to be something it is not.

It has got expensive - not the estate's problem/creation at all. Ticket prices are fine. I used to be able to get 3 nights in the Premiere Inn for £3-400, I think the last time I stayed it was over £660 for 2 nights and of course I was only there for a few hours as I am up and out at the circuit for 07:30. Accomodation prices are a victim of the events popularity.

It is an old debate, but again I feel a massive dilution of Member benefits. I did grab a pint of Elephant larger in the GRRC tent on Lavant Bank which was reasonably civilised - but didn't bother with the main enclosure. It has been mentioned before, but £25 for a poor breakfast isn't appealing.

I think the associate member thing is mistake in the way it is run. I can see it pulls in cash for the business, but is too close to Membership to differentiate. It is probably fine if you are local and use the Kennels but being 200 miles away that isn't of use to me.

Will I pay my subs next year - yes, I think I will.
Would GW be bothered if I didn't - of course not.

It is odd - I *really* want to enjoy it, but it seems the event is working against me.

I did plan to give it a break, but I just couldn't keep away. I can't win.


DeejRC

5,809 posts

83 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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These whinges - each year - always amuse me for they largely say the same thing each time. Especially the “it wasn’t like that when I first went, 10 or 15yrs ago”.
I find it amusing because 10 or 15yrs ago (I forget when tbh) is when I stopped going to the Revival for the weekend because it stopped being enjoyable. It got hugely busy largely because of the ppl complaining now, started to first turn up.
I only started going back to the Revival in the last 3 or 4 yrs or so and that was only doing Friday and meeting up with Loon and Sway. A much more relaxed and enjoyable experience, Friday is quieter, you can mooch and a v different atmosphere to the weekend days.
The point being that that more things change, the more they stay the same. Enjoy it for what it is and what you want out of it, not for what it isn’t. Ignore the stuff that isn’t for you. I can honestly say I’ve never paid the slightest bit of notice to the fashion or outfit stuff. I couldn’t tell you anything about any of the performers or “extras” ever, I’m simply ignore them and blank them from my mind.
And lastly - there are st loads of hotels within 30mins of GW available at reasonable prices for the MM and Revival weekends. Even half decent ones with a pool or a gym.
Marwell Zoo is £69 on Sat night for the MM next yr and both Meon Valley and the New Place in Wickham are about £320 for sat and sun nights for the Revival next yr. All of which are far nicer than the Prem Inn or Travelodge and all sport classic Ferraris, Maseratis and Porsches on GW weekends. If you want somewhere a bit closer then the Farmhouse Innlodge is on at £290 for the 2 nights just down the Eastern Road, the back way into Pompey. It’s not the most salubrious place in the world, but it’s fine. I’ve stayed there quite a bit for work at times and it’s bang on easy to get straight onto the A27 for Chi.
Unfortunately, due to work, hotels in the Pompey area are almost my specialist subject frown

No ideas for a name

2,194 posts

87 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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I largely agree with the above, even though it was in response to my moan

I did go on just the Friday, I also ignored most of the stuff that wasn't for me.

I will checkout some of those places to stay too as that would make a huge difference to the value.thumbup

CKY

1,387 posts

16 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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DeejRC said:
...the A27 for Chi.
Unfortunately, due to work, hotels in the Pompey area are almost my specialist subject frown
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You almost sound like a 'local'! My auntie lives in West Wittering, when she tries to do extremely cringey things like reducing the name Chichester to 'Chi' it makes me want to vomit - like your time is so important and valuable that you don't even have the time to pronounce the name of a town properly! rofl

nicanary

9,799 posts

147 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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I've stayed at the Farmhouse. You're right, it's not the most salubrious. All meals were with chips. One night a raucous wedding, another night a childrens party, the third night it was quiz night and impossible to get served. The room was sort of ok.

The prices you're quoting are too high for me (pensioner). I would aim for £400 for 4 nights. 30 mins distance is also an aim. I rented a tiny 1-bed bungalow this year near Middleton for £368 through Vrbo. Took 20 mins to get to Chichester and then the statutory queues. I miss the breakfast at an hotel.

PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.

PPS I'm diappointed in myself for being disappointed. Maybe I expect too much. I'm sorry for my negative attitude, but it's my one outing of the year- I don't have holidays. I fly from Belfast, rent a car, pay for 4 nights rooms, plus roving grandstand tickets (too old to stand for long), plus petrol and meals. Costs me a total usually around £1400. My income is less than half the national average wage. I was just a bit bored this year, and think it's time to have a break.



Edited by nicanary on Friday 15th September 09:38

Riley Blue

20,978 posts

227 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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CKY said:
Riley Blue said:
Of the race prepared One-Point-Fives that I know, the OUMF car is the only one built to 'Goodwood Spec'.

I think Ding would agree he isn't the fastest driver but to be fair to him, the Jowett had been dumping oil on the racing line around much of the circuit.
That's fair enough, I know since I worked on the car it's had a hell of a lot of development at the good grace of people like MASS for the engine etc. It appeared to me that Ding was somewhat to the left of the usual racing line going in to St Marys (having been displaced by the Mk7 Jaguar), however can imagine it was a part of the track the Jowett may well have been using when trying to stay 'out of the way' of the quicker cars.
It also looked as though it might still have been a bit damp out there. Perhaps I'm being unkind to Ding as his best lap was faster than Jochen Mass - 1:41.027 v 1:42.324.

DeejRC

5,809 posts

83 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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nicanary said:
I've stayed at the Farmhouse. You're right, it's not the most salubrious. All meals were with chips. One night a raucous wedding, another night a childrens party, the third night it was quiz night and impossible to get served. The room was sort of ok.

The prices you're quoting are too high for me (pensioner). I would aim for £400 for 4 nights. 30 mins distance is also an aim. I rented a tiny 1-bed bungalow this year near Middleton for £368 through Vrbo. Took 20 mins to get to Chichester and then the statutory queues. I miss the breakfast at an hotel.

PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.

PPS I'm diappointed in myself for being disappointed. Maybe I expect too much. I'm sorry for my negative attitude, but it's my one outing of the year- I don't have holidays. I fly from Belfast, rent a car, pay for 4 nights rooms, plus roving grandstand tickets (too old to stand for long), plus petrol and meals. Costs me a total usually around £1400. My income is less than half the national average wage. I was just a bit bored this year, and think it's time to have a break.



Edited by nicanary on Friday 15th September 09:38
There are a few places around for that money.
Drop me a mail offline and the Deej travel agency will do its thing smile

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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RichB said:
kjs62 said:
Last year's St Mary's was listed as saloon cars 1960-66
St Mary's Trophy alternates between '50s and '60s each event.
No Grant Williams this year but Chris Ward made up for it !

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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RichB said:
ettore said:
thegreenhell said:
Similar has happened in the TT race over the last few years. It's now mostly Cobras and E-Types, with just a handful of others which are mostly American V8 power as well. Not a single Ferrari or Aston Martin in the field this year.
Yes, but I think those have all been diverted to other races where the cars (and specs) are more authentic. The pre-63 GT races (and the Ferrari race this year) for example. The TT has become something different with hyper-developed cars, many of which are essentially new. I think this is probably a smart development that keeps some authenticity elsewhere whilst maintaining the competitive spectacle of the TT.
I find the TT less interesting with all the Cobras, they are fine but there's simply too many of them.
The TT is the blue ribbon event but I agree - it always seems to be a predictable duel between a Cobra and an E type lightweight

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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No ideas for a name said:
I was holding my tongue a bit, maybe hoping someone would start a general 'how did it go' thread, but this one seems to be full of similar chat now...

I didn't think I was going to be able to go, but managed to get a last minute ticket for the Friday via the tickets thread - ended up starting at 03:30 to get there, and back home by 00:15 the next day!

I know GW don't put the event on for *me*, and there is an argument that history will allways be the same - but it just didn't seem to 'gel' for me this time.
The commentry wasn't great as has been mentioned previously, but I can live without that.

I know it was the Friday, but the crowds didn't seem as great (which is a good thing). Almost to the point that it was almost empty at some time around the back of the circuit. I watched the live feed on the Sunday, and again at the back-side looked quite thin.

I didn't 'get' the theme this year. The Circus 'performers'/dancers were just standing around looking a bit lost. I did at one moment find myself standing next to 'Norman Wisdom' - a very good impersonator, but I didn't get why he was there.

I did think dressing up had gone away a little - maybe not a bad thing, but just not quite as it has been before. Maybe because it was so hot, but I would say most clothing wouldn't have looked much out of the ordinary on any day out - bar maybe the odd Fedora (myself included).

I realise the parades are there as a filler, but again don't do much for me. No doubt it is great to have a run around the circuit if you are in on the parade, but doesn't bring much to the event.

Maybe it hasn't changed, maybe after 15 or more years I have grown tired of it.

The one thing that does annoy me is the 'falseness' of quite a lot of it. The circuit was never, in period, like it is portrayed at the Revival. I accept it is just entertainment though.

The fashion stuff strikes me as a bit odd too. Didn't Goodwood try a standalone 'vintage' event sometime ago and it fell flat? That should tell them that there isn't much interest. The commentry/interviews of the fashion stuff were painful - as if it is new or amazingly special to sew a few buttons on.

I am told by my partner that she doesn't like any of that stuff either - though she hasn't been calibrated to any National or International satndards, so I am not sure if her views are typical!

Messing about with a half-open gate 2 caused much extra walking back to the car - maybe that was only a Friday thing.

More racing, less show needed.
I think all your issues are answered by the Members Meeting, which I prefer

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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nicanary said:
No ideas for a name said:
I was holding my tongue a bit, maybe hoping someone would start a general 'how did it go' thread, but this one seems to be full of similar chat now...

I didn't think I was going to be able to go, but managed to get a last minute ticket for the Friday via the tickets thread - ended up starting at 03:30 to get there, and back home by 00:15 the next day!

I know GW don't put the event on for *me*, and there is an argument that history will allways be the same - but it just didn't seem to 'gel' for me this time.
The commentry wasn't great as has been mentioned previously, but I can live without that.

I know it was the Friday, but the crowds didn't seem as great (which is a good thing). Almost to the point that it was almost empty at some time around the back of the circuit. I watched the live feed on the Sunday, and again at the back-side looked quite thin.

I didn't 'get' the theme this year. The Circus 'performers'/dancers were just standing around looking a bit lost. I did at one moment find myself standing next to 'Norman Wisdom' - a very good impersonator, but I didn't get why he was there.

I did think dressing up had gone away a little - maybe not a bad thing, but just not quite as it has been before. Maybe because it was so hot, but I would say most clothing wouldn't have looked much out of the ordinary on any day out - bar maybe the odd Fedora (myself included).

I realise the parades are there as a filler, but again don't do much for me. No doubt it is great to have a run around the circuit if you are in on the parade, but doesn't bring much to the event.

Maybe it hasn't changed, maybe after 15 or more years I have grown tired of it.

The one thing that does annoy me is the 'falseness' of quite a lot of it. The circuit was never, in period, like it is portrayed at the Revival. I accept it is just entertainment though.

The fashion stuff strikes me as a bit odd too. Didn't Goodwood try a standalone 'vintage' event sometime ago and it fell flat? That should tell them that there isn't much interest. The commentry/interviews of the fashion stuff were painful - as if it is new or amazingly special to sew a few buttons on.

I am told by my partner that she doesn't like any of that stuff either - though she hasn't been calibrated to any National or International satndards, so I am not sure if her views are typical!

Messing about with a half-open gate 2 caused much extra walking back to the car - maybe that was only a Friday thing.

More racing, less show needed.
Interesting post, because I too felt a little bored with it all this year. Maybe a case of same old same old. I too noticed a) fewer daft outfits, and b)more people in modern dress, but as you say the weather wasn't conducive to tweeds. As a grandstand ticket holder I was entitled to courtesy bus shuttle to Lavant but on Friday they'd lost the key to gate 9. Oh how we all laughed.

It's become a victim of its own success in some ways. The public know what they like and like what they know. The organisers can't really rock the boat too much for fear of losing custom. So same cars in the same races. Same as last year, same as the year before. (Excepting St Marys of course).

The dates for next year easily solved, and all reasonably priced hotels are taken - Chichester, Havant, Bognor, some in Portsmouth. Bonkers. The Premier Inn in Southsea is next to the funfair - don't like the idea of that. I found a barn conversion in Birdham but it had poor reviews. This is a problem every year because "people in the know" have pre-arranged mass bookings and nothing is open to the plebs. Moan over. I'll doubtless be there.
It getsmore and more difficult to find accommodation each year - I get advance notice as a member and everywhere is still booked.We stayed in Winchester this year which means a long drive there and back after travelling from home (780 miles this year) although James Davison and his family were also staying there so that was interesting.

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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No ideas for a name said:
RichB said:
Interestingly I've been to every one bar the first and have all the small paper programmes in the study. There's the same number of races now as there's always been, 14, maybe even one more.
It is a fair point. Numerically it might well be the same - it just seems like there is less competitive 'racing'.
My view of this year might be because I was only able to go for the Friday - I usually go for the four (inc. cricket) days.
I still count the practice as 'races' though.

MM is dramatically worse for this feeling - every time I look up it seems to be a demo. Not withstanding, I will still go to MM as I feel that is the best event of the year.

In the imortal words.. I have started, so I'ill finish...

Revival has become more of a 'day out' than actual motor racing. Which is fine if they are honest about it. More theatre than a race circuit.
The trouble with that is it seems to push actual enthusiasts out a bit. However, on the Friday at least there didn't seem to be as many people who were there just to be seen. The few around the back at St. Mary's with me seemed to be enthusiasts.

I think it has changed. I remember 15+ years ago when I went for the first time - I had some changes in life and decided to just get on with things I had always wanted to do. I parked in carpark B and was in awe of all of the classics in the over the road car show. The whole event was awesome. On my return I had set a target of locating a classic for next year. (Okay, so it took 3 months to obtain a Mk2 Jag that was "ready for paint" [never buy a car from someone who is a welder by trade] - it is currently in boxes in the garage - mechanically done, just bodywork to do). Mrs NIFAN has promissed we will make a proper weekend of it when the Mk2 is ready. Every year it I think, can't wait to bring the Mk2.

Across the road seems to have got too big in terms of people just selling things. It seemed to be more historic and fairground - it is now just selling largely 'tat' (expensive tat, but it just doesn't add anything to the event [presumably it does add cash to the Estate]).
Sky sponsoring the 'drive in cinema' is daft. In theory I would love to sit and watch the Itallian Job, but not whilst the racing is on. Every time I walked past it was empty. I know their 'film set' tries hard, but again that just seemed to miss the mark and be pointless.
It reduces the size of the future motorshow too. I almost laughed at the size of the electic MINI, next to a classic Mini.
I guess the estate gets cash from BMW, but there seemed to be too much BMW/RR corporate stuff pushed.

Don't even start me on the magazine that GW publishes - it is odd and seems to try to be something it is not.

It has got expensive - not the estate's problem/creation at all. Ticket prices are fine. I used to be able to get 3 nights in the Premiere Inn for £3-400, I think the last time I stayed it was over £660 for 2 nights and of course I was only there for a few hours as I am up and out at the circuit for 07:30. Accomodation prices are a victim of the events popularity.

It is an old debate, but again I feel a massive dilution of Member benefits. I did grab a pint of Elephant larger in the GRRC tent on Lavant Bank which was reasonably civilised - but didn't bother with the main enclosure. It has been mentioned before, but £25 for a poor breakfast isn't appealing.

I think the associate member thing is mistake in the way it is run. I can see it pulls in cash for the business, but is too close to Membership to differentiate. It is probably fine if you are local and use the Kennels but being 200 miles away that isn't of use to me.

Will I pay my subs next year - yes, I think I will.
Would GW be bothered if I didn't - of course not.

It is odd - I *really* want to enjoy it, but it seems the event is working against me.

I did plan to give it a break, but I just couldn't keep away. I can't win.
I agree with everthing you say, particularly the expense of membership and the limited benefits of this for anyone who does not live close to the circuit (or has lots of money to go on the trips) but every year I maintain my membership because despite everything, its a lovely break from the mundanity of ordinary life.Members Meeting is far more enjoyable for me and far more in the spirit of the original Revival with access to parts of the circuit which are reserved for corporates etc at the Revival

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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DeejRC said:
nicanary said:
I've stayed at the Farmhouse. You're right, it's not the most salubrious. All meals were with chips. One night a raucous wedding, another night a childrens party, the third night it was quiz night and impossible to get served. The room was sort of ok.

The prices you're quoting are too high for me (pensioner). I would aim for £400 for 4 nights. 30 mins distance is also an aim. I rented a tiny 1-bed bungalow this year near Middleton for £368 through Vrbo. Took 20 mins to get to Chichester and then the statutory queues. I miss the breakfast at an hotel.

PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.

PPS I'm diappointed in myself for being disappointed. Maybe I expect too much. I'm sorry for my negative attitude, but it's my one outing of the year- I don't have holidays. I fly from Belfast, rent a car, pay for 4 nights rooms, plus roving grandstand tickets (too old to stand for long), plus petrol and meals. Costs me a total usually around £1400. My income is less than half the national average wage. I was just a bit bored this year, and think it's time to have a break.



Edited by nicanary on Friday 15th September 09:38
There are a few places around for that money.
Drop me a mail offline and the Deej travel agency will do its thing smile
I would also like to take you up on that ....

nicanary

9,799 posts

147 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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BTW if anyone is looking for REALLY cheap accomodation, I once used Chichester University lodgings. The campus rents out student digs before they return for term. It's very basic - just a bed, working desk and shower room, but in 2017 it cost me £54 per night. Plus there's breakfast thrown in, and it was half-decent too. Car park right outside, and close enough to the city centre to walk to pubs and restaurants.

Mind you, I got no sleep. The mattress appeared to be stuffed with potatoes. Worth a check to see if they still do it, if you're on a budget. However I value my sleep.

DeejRC

5,809 posts

83 months

Friday 15th September 2023
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honevo said:
DeejRC said:
nicanary said:
I've stayed at the Farmhouse. You're right, it's not the most salubrious. All meals were with chips. One night a raucous wedding, another night a childrens party, the third night it was quiz night and impossible to get served. The room was sort of ok.

The prices you're quoting are too high for me (pensioner). I would aim for £400 for 4 nights. 30 mins distance is also an aim. I rented a tiny 1-bed bungalow this year near Middleton for £368 through Vrbo. Took 20 mins to get to Chichester and then the statutory queues. I miss the breakfast at an hotel.

PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.

PPS I'm diappointed in myself for being disappointed. Maybe I expect too much. I'm sorry for my negative attitude, but it's my one outing of the year- I don't have holidays. I fly from Belfast, rent a car, pay for 4 nights rooms, plus roving grandstand tickets (too old to stand for long), plus petrol and meals. Costs me a total usually around £1400. My income is less than half the national average wage. I was just a bit bored this year, and think it's time to have a break.



Edited by nicanary on Friday 15th September 09:38
There are a few places around for that money.
Drop me a mail offline and the Deej travel agency will do its thing smile
I would also like to take you up on that ....
No probs. I do the bookings for all my family these days anyway.

honevo

156 posts

106 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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DeejRC said:
No probs. I do the bookings for all my family these days anyway.
How do I messgae you ? I've tried and it won't let me ...


ecsrobin

17,129 posts

166 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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nicanary said:
I've stayed at the Farmhouse. You're right, it's not the most salubrious. All meals were with chips. One night a raucous wedding, another night a childrens party, the third night it was quiz night and impossible to get served. The room was sort of ok.

The prices you're quoting are too high for me (pensioner). I would aim for £400 for 4 nights. 30 mins distance is also an aim. I rented a tiny 1-bed bungalow this year near Middleton for £368 through Vrbo. Took 20 mins to get to Chichester and then the statutory queues. I miss the breakfast at an hotel.

PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.

PPS I'm diappointed in myself for being disappointed. Maybe I expect too much. I'm sorry for my negative attitude, but it's my one outing of the year- I don't have holidays. I fly from Belfast, rent a car, pay for 4 nights rooms, plus roving grandstand tickets (too old to stand for long), plus petrol and meals. Costs me a total usually around £1400. My income is less than half the national average wage. I was just a bit bored this year, and think it's time to have a break.



Edited by nicanary on Friday 15th September 09:38
Monaco classic is coming up in May. I’m not sure on flights from Belfast but from Gatwick with hotel and event tickets, train travel and food and drink for 1 person would be closer to £1,000 for 4 nights.

Ian Wegg

654 posts

141 months

Tuesday 19th September 2023
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nicanary said:
PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.
I wouldn't let that put you off, the funfair closes at 8.00 pm on Saturday and 7.00 pm on Sunday.

Clarence Pier opening times.

Having said that, I see the Premier Inn is already fully booked for next year. frown




nicanary

9,799 posts

147 months

Tuesday 19th September 2023
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Ian Wegg said:
nicanary said:
PS I note the Premier Inn in Southsea is situated next to the funfair. Might swerve that one.
I wouldn't let that put you off, the funfair closes at 8.00 pm on Saturday and 7.00 pm on Sunday.

Clarence Pier opening times.

Having said that, I see the Premier Inn is already fully booked for next year. frown
Thanks for the info. I've booked a cancellable room in Fareham (close to motorway) for the time being. No restaurant there but a big enough town to have plenty of eating options. I found a couple of decent rented cottages near Meon and Petersfield but the Meon one had a £150 Airbnb service charge. FRO as they say.

Elderly

3,497 posts

239 months

Wednesday 20th September 2023
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Crumbs ! Someone (with a sense of humour) can afford to shop at Waitrose.