The end of free Thursday FOS tickets
Discussion
Martin315 said:
A cynic may think you are in some way connected to the Drivers Union (which to be honest looks a bit w
ky to me) and not just as a member, particularly as you have posted the same message twice in this thread.
FWIW I think the Drivers Union is the last thing that disgruntled GRRC members would wish to join so you’ve read the room about as well as Lord March.
Would like to know what criteria this drivers union uses for eligible vehicles seeing as a DB9 isn't allowed , but a V8 Vantage isky to me) and not just as a member, particularly as you have posted the same message twice in this thread.FWIW I think the Drivers Union is the last thing that disgruntled GRRC members would wish to join so you’ve read the room about as well as Lord March.
I've been on the Fellowship waiting list for 3 years and today got the invite to upgrade to the GRRC.
Membership is £335, which given I normally attend all three of the main events each year with my son I can justify with a bit of man maths.
However the joining fee is another £335 !
How do Goodwood justify a joining fee of that magnitude?
Now not sure whether to bother.
Goodwood Sarah, if you read this perhaps you can let us know where the value in a £335 join fee is for us as members, or what the thinking is behind such a large extra fee?
Membership is £335, which given I normally attend all three of the main events each year with my son I can justify with a bit of man maths.
However the joining fee is another £335 !
How do Goodwood justify a joining fee of that magnitude?
Now not sure whether to bother.
Goodwood Sarah, if you read this perhaps you can let us know where the value in a £335 join fee is for us as members, or what the thinking is behind such a large extra fee?
Schwarz930 said:
I've been on the Fellowship waiting list for 3 years and today got the invite to upgrade to the GRRC.
Membership is £335, which given I normally attend all three of the main events each year with my son I can justify with a bit of man maths.
However the joining fee is another £335 !
How do Goodwood justify a joining fee of that magnitude?
Now not sure whether to bother.
Goodwood Sarah, if you read this perhaps you can let us know where the value in a £335 join fee is for us as members, or what the thinking is behind such a large extra fee?
It has always been that the joining fee has been similar to the membership fee, so in the first year you effectively pay double.Membership is £335, which given I normally attend all three of the main events each year with my son I can justify with a bit of man maths.
However the joining fee is another £335 !
How do Goodwood justify a joining fee of that magnitude?
Now not sure whether to bother.
Goodwood Sarah, if you read this perhaps you can let us know where the value in a £335 join fee is for us as members, or what the thinking is behind such a large extra fee?
It is part of the smoke and mirrors illusion - like you are joining a private members club - but you are not, it really is just another business unit of Goodwood.
Goodwood should have told you that you can get back the waiting time as an Associate Member knocked off your joining fee. So, if you have paid say £70 for three years, then you should as I understand it get that £210 knocked off.
However, Goodwood reserves the right to change the rules and do you over.
Seriously I can't see why anyone would bother at the moment. Have you read the whole of this thread?
There really are NO benefits anymore with the exception of a Paddock Pass.
Edited by No ideas for a name on Friday 20th October 13:34
NickUSA said:
Part of a reply on the Goodwood members' forum (my bold)
'I work with an organisation filled with wealthy people who have wealthy people as our stakeholders and when they find out I'm a member they have a laugh and ask how the Festival of Greed is going these days'
Not the first time I have heard the event called this.
New / wannabe money v old money 'I work with an organisation filled with wealthy people who have wealthy people as our stakeholders and when they find out I'm a member they have a laugh and ask how the Festival of Greed is going these days'
Not the first time I have heard the event called this.
It is pay to access, 'club' and 'fellowship' is branding.
If it gets too rich for people there will be others to take up your spot, that is clearly what the demand analysis is telling them.
No ideas for a name said:
Schwarz930 said:
I've been on the Fellowship waiting list for 3 years and today got the invite to upgrade to the GRRC.
Membership is £335, which given I normally attend all three of the main events each year with my son I can justify with a bit of man maths.
However the joining fee is another £335 !
How do Goodwood justify a joining fee of that magnitude?
Now not sure whether to bother.
Goodwood Sarah, if you read this perhaps you can let us know where the value in a £335 join fee is for us as members, or what the thinking is behind such a large extra fee?
.....Membership is £335, which given I normally attend all three of the main events each year with my son I can justify with a bit of man maths.
However the joining fee is another £335 !
How do Goodwood justify a joining fee of that magnitude?
Now not sure whether to bother.
Goodwood Sarah, if you read this perhaps you can let us know where the value in a £335 join fee is for us as members, or what the thinking is behind such a large extra fee?
There really are NO benefits anymore with the exception of a Paddock Pass.
........
Edited by No ideas for a name on Friday 20th October 13:34
However, to say there are 'NO benefits any more' (bar paddock passes) is just not accurate.
Discounts on event tickets, forword parking and access to lockers (along with paddock passes) all have value to me. We also enjoy visiting the Kennels. I completely accept that whether these (and other listed) benefits justify the membership fee will undoubtedly vary from individual to individual.
Edited by WhyOne on Friday 20th October 15:19
WhyOne said:
However, to say there are 'NO benefits any more' (bar paddock passes) is just not accurate.
Discounts on event tickets, forword parking and access to lockers (along with paddock passes) all have value to me. We also enjoy visiting the Kennels. I completely accept that whether these (and other listed) benefits justify the membership fee will undoubtedly vary from individual to individual.
Apologies, I should have qualified my statement.Discounts on event tickets, forword parking and access to lockers (along with paddock passes) all have value to me. We also enjoy visiting the Kennels. I completely accept that whether these (and other listed) benefits justify the membership fee will undoubtedly vary from individual to individual.
Forward parking is a tiny benefit, but in reality if arriving early enough as I do, there is very little difference.
A big problem for me is that I live too far away to just nip over to the Kennels - never been in 15 years. If I understand it right, the Kennels isn't properly open when events are on as it would be too busy.. I would have to travel 4-500 miles round trip to go to the pub.
I have also had more factory tours (Jag Classic) from PistonHeads than GRRC.
I generally buy just my ticket, so the discount doesn't add up to anything significant.
It may well vary for others.
Just about memberships,
I was introduced to Glyndebourne by my wife about 13 years ago. She's been going since she was a kid.
When she was 18 she asked to join the Friends of Glyndebourne who get access to tickets before anyone else. As well as other things. They said it was a 70-year waiting list so she never bothered.
Something that I heard a few years ago with the GRRC a 10 year waiting list before they added more members.
Lets put it this way with Glyndebourne, Most of the car park is blue badge! The people are getting older.
You can now join the friends of Glyndebourne straight away by just paying your joining fee. They have even started a 30s and 40s club which put each years fee towards your friends of Glyndebourne joining fee.
If it's already down to 2 years to get to GRRC are we going to have the same thing soon?
I was introduced to Glyndebourne by my wife about 13 years ago. She's been going since she was a kid.
When she was 18 she asked to join the Friends of Glyndebourne who get access to tickets before anyone else. As well as other things. They said it was a 70-year waiting list so she never bothered.
Something that I heard a few years ago with the GRRC a 10 year waiting list before they added more members.
Lets put it this way with Glyndebourne, Most of the car park is blue badge! The people are getting older.
You can now join the friends of Glyndebourne straight away by just paying your joining fee. They have even started a 30s and 40s club which put each years fee towards your friends of Glyndebourne joining fee.
If it's already down to 2 years to get to GRRC are we going to have the same thing soon?
Schwarz930 said:
I've been on the Fellowship waiting list for 3 years and today got the invite to upgrade to the GRRC.
I’ve seen mention of a few fellows now being offered membership. I would have thought that they would wait till the renewals were processed to see how much spare capacity there is for the new members? Or should I just be cynical and say that the two aren’t connected?! OtherBusiness said:
I’ve seen mention of a few fellows now being offered membership. I would have thought that they would wait till the renewals were processed to see how much spare capacity there is for the new members? Or should I just be cynical and say that the two aren’t connected?!
I suspect they’ve been increasing membership each year. OtherBusiness said:
I’ve seen mention of a few fellows now being offered membership. I would have thought that they would wait till the renewals were processed to see how much spare capacity there is for the new members? Or should I just be cynical and say that the two aren’t connected?!
I guess maybe they're not connected unless they're anticipating lots of current members not renewing, which shows a real disregard for those current members.More concerning is that in this thread and mine, not a single person has come out to advocate for the membership even slightly. No one that has commented believes it's worth having or represents value.
Such a shame as growing up it was one of those things that seemed exclusive and worth waiting for only for it to be diluted and turned into a cash cow like everything else.
OtherBusiness said:
I’ve seen mention of a few fellows now being offered membership. I would have thought that they would wait till the renewals were processed to see how much spare capacity there is for the new members? ...
This happened last year too, from mid-October people were posting that they had been offered membership.The GRRC has always claimed a high retention rate: between 90%-95%. Even so, that means (under normal circumstances) they can predict at least 5% of memberships becoming available. If you take the current membership as the much-rumoured figure of 8,000, this means Goodwood know they can offer 400 places.
However, the take-up of new memberships is quite low. I've never seen a published figure but I heard once it was as low as 20%, i.e. once the full cost is revealed to them, 4 out of 5 decline the offer. Therefore Goodwood can send out about 2,000 invitations even before the renewals are in.
With the caveat that I have no reliable source for these numbers but you get the idea.
No ideas for a name said:
Stephanie Plum said:
Goodwood are in danger of breaching the trust thermocline imho.
Not a physicist so had to look that up - but yep, that about describes it!I particularly recommend this article: https://bit.ly/3FnL9ts
"Breaching the Trust Thermocline Is the Biggest Hidden Risk in Business"
"At its simplest, the trust thermocline represents the point at which a consumer decides that the mental cost of staying with a product is outweighed by their desire to abandon it... "
I see that membership renewals are now live. Perhaps the annual emails always stated this and in previous years I didn't notice how keen they are to encourage members to set up a direct debit to automatically renew every year.
It's not enough to change my mind but there does appear to be a small additional discount on tickets if you renew quickly.
[i]The Club is delighted to confirm membership renewals for 2024 are now open.
If you already have a direct debit in place, or if you have recently submitted your direct debit form, no further action is needed. Your renewal will go through automatically.
If, however, you do not have a direct debit set up, you have two options: firstly, you can renew your membership online, using the GRRC renewals webpage or via the link below, or there is still time to set up an annual direct debit by downloading and completing the direct debit mandate, and returning it to us by 24 November 2023.
If you are not renewing by direct debit, please renew your membership online or by telephone by 31 December. If, however, you renew by Friday 27 October, you will be eligible to get your 2024 headline event ticket discount of 25% on the first two admission and grandstand tickets per event, per day, when tickets go on sale from 9am on Saturday 28 October 2023.[/i]
It's not enough to change my mind but there does appear to be a small additional discount on tickets if you renew quickly.
[i]The Club is delighted to confirm membership renewals for 2024 are now open.
If you already have a direct debit in place, or if you have recently submitted your direct debit form, no further action is needed. Your renewal will go through automatically.
If, however, you do not have a direct debit set up, you have two options: firstly, you can renew your membership online, using the GRRC renewals webpage or via the link below, or there is still time to set up an annual direct debit by downloading and completing the direct debit mandate, and returning it to us by 24 November 2023.
If you are not renewing by direct debit, please renew your membership online or by telephone by 31 December. If, however, you renew by Friday 27 October, you will be eligible to get your 2024 headline event ticket discount of 25% on the first two admission and grandstand tickets per event, per day, when tickets go on sale from 9am on Saturday 28 October 2023.[/i]
I’m a fellow that has just taken up the membership offer - I’ll see if it works out and decide whether I want to stay.
I went to the first FoS (and Revival) but my interest is really the MM and the Revival these days, so the loss of a free ticket on Thurs is immaterial to me. The sums do add up though because I’m normally buying around 4 tickets over multiple days so once you minus the fellowship fee and apply the 25% discount you’re not far off. I’ve also been paying for hospitality at the Revival so will see if any of the access/facilities fill some of that gap. If they do, it’s definitely worth it.
I went to the first FoS (and Revival) but my interest is really the MM and the Revival these days, so the loss of a free ticket on Thurs is immaterial to me. The sums do add up though because I’m normally buying around 4 tickets over multiple days so once you minus the fellowship fee and apply the 25% discount you’re not far off. I’ve also been paying for hospitality at the Revival so will see if any of the access/facilities fill some of that gap. If they do, it’s definitely worth it.
ettore said:
I’m a fellow that has just taken up the membership offer - I’ll see if it works out and decide whether I want to stay.
I went to the first FoS (and Revival) but my interest is really the MM and the Revival these days, so the loss of a free ticket on Thurs is immaterial to me. The sums do add up though because I’m normally buying around 4 tickets over multiple days so once you minus the fellowship fee and apply the 25% discount you’re not far off. I’ve also been paying for hospitality at the Revival so will see if any of the access/facilities fill some of that gap. If they do, it’s definitely worth it.
25% off is for 2 tickets per day only or 4 if you're a family member (which there’s a waiting list for). I went to the first FoS (and Revival) but my interest is really the MM and the Revival these days, so the loss of a free ticket on Thurs is immaterial to me. The sums do add up though because I’m normally buying around 4 tickets over multiple days so once you minus the fellowship fee and apply the 25% discount you’re not far off. I’ve also been paying for hospitality at the Revival so will see if any of the access/facilities fill some of that gap. If they do, it’s definitely worth it.
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