Licence or ban cycling in London
Discussion
swerni said:
What gets me are all those tossers on their great big cross continent / off road BMW bikes who use them for commuting in to London. They have quickly become the 4x4 of the motorbike world.
Too big to filter safely with their massive (look at me ) panias and a liability to all road users.
I'd tax them through the nose or ban them city centres
Just a though
Coincidentally like the OP's bike?Too big to filter safely with their massive (look at me ) panias and a liability to all road users.
I'd tax them through the nose or ban them city centres
Just a though
gazza285 said:
swerni said:
What gets me are all those tossers on their great big cross continent / off road BMW bikes who use them for commuting in to London. They have quickly become the 4x4 of the motorbike world.
Too big to filter safely with their massive (look at me ) panias and a liability to all road users.
I'd tax them through the nose or ban them city centres
Just a though
Coincidentally like the OP's bike?Too big to filter safely with their massive (look at me ) panias and a liability to all road users.
I'd tax them through the nose or ban them city centres
Just a though
I don't think licencing would work as it's pretty much unenforceable unless bikes have plates as well, and a ban simply isn't going to happen. Cyclists are more likely to pay for their stupidity on the road in a more physical way than car drivers though. Certainly cyclists' lack of self-preservation has been noted many times.
popeyewhite said:
okgo said:
Yet despite 610,000 journeys a day, just 14 people a year die, and most of the time the car is at fault if I remember stats correctly - go figure 
What on Earth are you on about? Would you like me to explain what I posted?popeyewhite said:
Cyclists' lack of self-preservation has been noted many times
popeyewhite said:
Would you like me to explain what I posted?
I can see what you have posted. The first half is inane repetition, the final statement is what bugs me. "it has been noted many times" - great, on a car forum, full of people like OP. Go on mumsnet and you'll find a load of people moaning about equal pay for women and how men are the root of all evil, shock horror (I have no opinion on either). The stats speak for themselves though. Remarkably low number of deaths for the trips made, and of those deaths, often the rider is not at fault.okgo said:
the final statement is what bugs me. "it has been noted many times" -
It has. There's nothing I can do about that I'm afraid. I'd like to add that the fact the vulnerability of cyclists doesn't seem to deter some of them from stupidly dangerous manoeuvres on the road has been observed long before you or I started posting on this forum. I'm not really interested in any 'stats' you may post, as I've told you previously gossip, anecdote and the internet are not really places to acquire robust information. Not if you want to be taken seriously.popeyewhite said:
It has. There's nothing I can do about that I'm afraid. I'd like to add that the fact the vulnerability of cyclists doesn't seem to deter some of them from stupidly dangerous manoeuvres on the road has been observed long before you or I started posting on this forum. I'm not really interested in any 'stats' you may post, as I've told you previously gossip, anecdote and the internet are not really places to acquire robust information. Not if you want to be taken seriously.
Being in a huge metal box that can cause massive damage doesn't seem to deter some drivers from using their car as a weapon, either. Suggest you go and look up meaning of 'statistic' then - not sure you'll find words like gossip/anecdote associated with it.
popeyewhite said:
okgo said:
the final statement is what bugs me. "it has been noted many times" -
It has. There's nothing I can do about that I'm afraid. I'd like to add that the fact the vulnerability of cyclists doesn't seem to deter some of them from stupidly dangerous manoeuvres on the road has been observed long before you or I started posting on this forum. I'm not really interested in any 'stats' you may post, as I've told you previously gossip, anecdote and the internet are not really places to acquire robust information. Not if you want to be taken seriously.I'm off to look at the NASA website for some non-robust information...
WinstonWolf said:
So you're mind is made up even though the stats prove you are wrong?
Mind is made up on what? What stats? Did you not bother to correctly read my original post either?WinstonWolf said:
I'm off to look at the NASA website for some non-robust information...
I'd generally check the research on which the info's based personally, having said that you'd be unlikely to find any info on cycling fatalities there.okgo said:
Hmmm again. As an exercise in self-awareness go to my original post, read it, then read what you've just written and ask yourself how the hell you managed to get there, I have no idea at all. okgo said:
Kin ell I'd wondered what had happened to her. That is one mental mum, and at the wheel of a Q7. What a sad and frightening combination.
okgo said:
Nope. Waste of time, makes no odds to fatalities.
There are many stats out there on this.
I can only say when I slipped on ice on my road bike, and fell over, bearing when sitting on the saddle you are probably 6 ft plus from head to ground, my helmet cracked in numerous places along the right hand side, I sustained no injuries to my head.There are many stats out there on this.
No doubt stats show it makes no difference, but to me it did that day. I fell over so quickly couldnt even get my shoes out of the cleats. It may not help you in a head on with a car, but all accidents are with head on with cars.
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