Can the anti-cycling sentiment here get any more desperate ?
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P.Griffin said:
Regardless, I can't see one thing that's amusing about that clip.
Indeed, which is what baffled me when I saw the post - it was totally unrelated to any road going situation or cohabitation issues between cyclists and cars as it was a sporting event but finding that funny and exploiting it to criticise cyclists is quite ridiculous.nickfrog said:
P.Griffin said:
Regardless, I can't see one thing that's amusing about that clip.
Indeed, which is what baffled me when I saw the post - it was totally unrelated to any road going situation or cohabitation issues between cyclists and cars as it was a sporting event but finding that funny and exploiting it to criticise cyclists is quite ridiculous.
g ridiculous.Solocle said:
That crash was definitely the cyclist's fault. The car driver was being sensible and considerate for the the other cyclists. The cyclist came in at a speed that made turning impossible. To be honest, it looked like a brake failure!
It was a professional cycling race with closed roads. xjaay1337 has rapidly made the ignore list also.
Likely brake fade. The fact all of them get it wrong (to a lesser extent) means there is probably something unusual about it.
SystemParanoia said:
that cyclst was airborne and wildly out of control before the crash with no possible way of retarding his inertia with the road space he had left!
If i may be so bold, i would suggest that the car potentially saved his life.
The cyclist would have sailed off the edge into the trees below had the car not parked itself in his path.
Exactly! If i may be so bold, i would suggest that the car potentially saved his life.
The cyclist would have sailed off the edge into the trees below had the car not parked itself in his path.
On the video the last 20 seconds or so are in slow motion and show the cyclist in question coming down MILES too fast, on a poor line, without any cars blocking his original line.
Now whether it's the cyclist at "fault" or not, but it certainly wasn't the car drivers fault who was keeping well out of the way.
If anything the car saved the cyclists life, presuming the cyclist wasn't too badly hurt from the impact. He would have done a "me on a grand theft auto trying a short cut".
okgo said:
It was a professional cycling race with closed roads.
xjaay1337 has rapidly made the ignore list also.
good and take your lyrca with you.xjaay1337 has rapidly made the ignore list also.
nickfrog said:
P.Griffin said:
Regardless, I can't see one thing that's amusing about that clip.
Indeed, which is what baffled me when I saw the post - it was totally unrelated to any road going situation or cohabitation issues between cyclists and cars as it was a sporting event but finding that funny and exploiting it to criticise cyclists is quite ridiculous.
I'm still not sure why no one's seeing this view:
The reason he came in too fast is because his natural line on the corner was blocked by the two or three cars in front. Put yourself in a car or a bike to take that corner on a closed road and you'd naturally stay right (or left looking from camera POV) and clip the apex then go wide again. Most of the cyclists were unable to do this because of the cars.
I'm not saying any of the car drivers were at fault here, as they all stayed to the outside on the corner. But it's pointless saying the car he hit saved his life as he probably woudn't have been in that position had he not had to avoid the cars in the first place.
You can see that almost without exception these guys all get it wrong, so something is playing havoc with their natural ability. Bearing in mind this is a pro race, and these are pro riders, it's a pretty rookie mistake to:
a: try and take a corner at that angle
b: carry that much speed in on purpose.
As I said above though, I do think the onus in this particular instance is on the cyclists as they are passing through the group of cars. But irrespective of whose fault it is, there's really nothing to laugh at here.
The reason he came in too fast is because his natural line on the corner was blocked by the two or three cars in front. Put yourself in a car or a bike to take that corner on a closed road and you'd naturally stay right (or left looking from camera POV) and clip the apex then go wide again. Most of the cyclists were unable to do this because of the cars.
I'm not saying any of the car drivers were at fault here, as they all stayed to the outside on the corner. But it's pointless saying the car he hit saved his life as he probably woudn't have been in that position had he not had to avoid the cars in the first place.
You can see that almost without exception these guys all get it wrong, so something is playing havoc with their natural ability. Bearing in mind this is a pro race, and these are pro riders, it's a pretty rookie mistake to:
a: try and take a corner at that angle
b: carry that much speed in on purpose.
As I said above though, I do think the onus in this particular instance is on the cyclists as they are passing through the group of cars. But irrespective of whose fault it is, there's really nothing to laugh at here.
I mean look at these motorists, look at 'em. He goes to exchange details and look what he gets. Typical!
https://youtu.be/5iTUa0J8Kzw?t=24s
https://youtu.be/5iTUa0J8Kzw?t=24s
heebeegeetee said:
I mean look at these motorists, look at 'em. He goes to exchange details and look what he gets. Typical!
https://youtu.be/5iTUa0J8Kzw?t=24s
https://youtu.be/5iTUa0J8Kzw?t=24s
xjay1337 said:
I know that. Doesn't make it not the cyclists fault now does it.
Again, what has this got to do with fault ?Can't you see the point that in a race context, demonising a cyclist vs car driver is utterly stupid and symptomatic of the tiny minority who can't accept that there are cretins in any type of vehicle and have developed an unhealthy hatred for cyclist to the point that they laugh at a competitor getting hurt in a race context. Stop pretending you're an internet cretin! ;-)
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 31st May 11:10
nickfrog said:
Again, what has this got to do with fault ?
Can't you see the point that in a race context, demonising a cyclist vs car driver is utterly stupid and symptomatic of the tiny minority who can't accept that there are cretins in any type of vehicle and have developed an unhealthy hatred for cyclist to the point that they laugh at a competitor getting hurt in a race context. Stop pretending you're an internet cretin! ;-)
I know idiots use all types of vehicles.Can't you see the point that in a race context, demonising a cyclist vs car driver is utterly stupid and symptomatic of the tiny minority who can't accept that there are cretins in any type of vehicle and have developed an unhealthy hatred for cyclist to the point that they laugh at a competitor getting hurt in a race context. Stop pretending you're an internet cretin! ;-)
But when you have comments like this, you can't help but think "what a pole greaser".
[quote=Youtube Comment poster "Inline Downhill Vancouver"]
1 year ago (edited)
Coming from a downhill background, I agree with your assessment and watching the driver's behavior in this video pisses me off. It's clear to me that the vehicles in the previous corner put this rider into a bad line where he couldn't apex the previous corner properly and set up wide to the right in the corner where he ended up inside with too much speed and unable to stay on the ground, ultimately crashing into the vehicle in the corner.
It's not only that unsafe behavior that pisses me off, but the completely irrational decision by some drivers and motorcycle riders to block the entire corner after the first crash, causing additional hazards, which should be obvious, resulting in two more crashes.
I'm not familiar with support vehicle protocols, but is it normal for these cars to be passing riders in corners, taking critical lines, and causing situations like this? It's clear that these supports teams need better training.?
Reginald Scot from Youtube said:
Ok so my first reaction is fk! :0 My second reaction is I have never liked how many team cars there are in pro cycling and I don't like the way they drive, I would be pissed off if there was this many car on my ride to work let alone in a bike race! As a rider I would want the full use of the road when I'm bombing down a hill at 60mph! Can't pro cycling find a way to get rid of all the cars? It's not like it's the first time a support car has hit a cyclist in a race or caused a crash... the problem is it all goes hand in hand with the idea a pro cyclist needs constant support...blah blah blah...
k! :0 My second reaction is I have never liked how many team cars there are in pro cycling and I don't like the way they drive, I would be pissed off if there was this many car on my ride to work let alone in a bike race! As a rider I would want the full use of the road when I'm bombing down a hill at 60mph! Can't pro cycling find a way to get rid of all the cars? It's not like it's the first time a support car has hit a cyclist in a race or caused a crash... the problem is it all goes hand in hand with the idea a pro cyclist needs constant support...blah blah blah...Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 31st May 12:22
xjay1337 said:
nickfrog said:
Again, what has this got to do with fault ?
Can't you see the point that in a race context, demonising a cyclist vs car driver is utterly stupid and symptomatic of the tiny minority who can't accept that there are cretins in any type of vehicle and have developed an unhealthy hatred for cyclist to the point that they laugh at a competitor getting hurt in a race context. Stop pretending you're an internet cretin! ;-)
I know idiots use all types of vehicles.Can't you see the point that in a race context, demonising a cyclist vs car driver is utterly stupid and symptomatic of the tiny minority who can't accept that there are cretins in any type of vehicle and have developed an unhealthy hatred for cyclist to the point that they laugh at a competitor getting hurt in a race context. Stop pretending you're an internet cretin! ;-)
But when you have comments like this, you can't help but think "what a pole greaser".
[quote=Youtube Comment poster "Inline Downhill Vancouver"]
1 year ago (edited)
Coming from a downhill background, I agree with your assessment and watching the driver's behavior in this video pisses me off. It's clear to me that the vehicles in the previous corner put this rider into a bad line where he couldn't apex the previous corner properly and set up wide to the right in the corner where he ended up inside with too much speed and unable to stay on the ground, ultimately crashing into the vehicle in the corner.
It's not only that unsafe behavior that pisses me off, but the completely irrational decision by some drivers and motorcycle riders to block the entire corner after the first crash, causing additional hazards, which should be obvious, resulting in two more crashes.
I'm not familiar with support vehicle protocols, but is it normal for these cars to be passing riders in corners, taking critical lines, and causing situations like this? It's clear that these supports teams need better training.?
Reginald Scot from Youtube said:
Ok so my first reaction is fk! :0 My second reaction is I have never liked how many team cars there are in pro cycling and I don't like the way they drive, I would be pissed off if there was this many car on my ride to work let alone in a bike race! As a rider I would want the full use of the road when I'm bombing down a hill at 60mph! Can't pro cycling find a way to get rid of all the cars? It's not like it's the first time a support car has hit a cyclist in a race or caused a crash... the problem is it all goes hand in hand with the idea a pro cyclist needs constant support...blah blah blah...?
They're talking about racing. k! :0 My second reaction is I have never liked how many team cars there are in pro cycling and I don't like the way they drive, I would be pissed off if there was this many car on my ride to work let alone in a bike race! As a rider I would want the full use of the road when I'm bombing down a hill at 60mph! Can't pro cycling find a way to get rid of all the cars? It's not like it's the first time a support car has hit a cyclist in a race or caused a crash... the problem is it all goes hand in hand with the idea a pro cyclist needs constant support...blah blah blah...?Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 31st May 12:22
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