Fool basically got himself convicted of manslaughter

[Sa Calobra]

You have no choice- your legs are forceably made to pedal, there's no pause, it's pedal pedal- if you ever ride one away from the track it can really catch you out if you are tired/early am etc.

On the track fixed wheel is essential as if you stop pedalling or ease off your rear wheel starts to lose traction and slide sideways down the track.

Some people ride them on the road in a sort of snobbish elitist cool look at me way.

You need good knees too if you are riding them away from the track as you are using leg leverage/strength resisting the force-forward pedal spin to slow the bike. It needs alot of confidence and ability and it will always catch you out at some point

[anonymous-user]

Sa Calobra said:

You have no choice- your legs are forceably made to pedal, there's no pause, it's pedal pedal- if you ever ride one away from the track it can really catch you out if you are tired/early am etc.

On the track fixed wheel is essential as if you stop pedalling or ease off your rear wheel starts to lose traction and slide sideways down the track.

Some people ride them on the road in a sort of snobbish elitist cool look at me way.

You need good knees too if you are riding them away from the track as you are using leg leverage/strength resisting the force-forward pedal spin to slow the bike. It needs alot of confidence and ability and it will always catch you out at some point

Wow. Thanks. What a muppet.

[Mr2Mike]

heebeegeetee said:

A total load of waffle, from start to finish, in which all salient points were avoided.

Agreed, but I've come to expect that from your posts.

heebeegeetee said:

A question though: when you take to the roads with your family or children, (particularly as pedestrians), does it give you any comfort or is it of any help, to know that it's not illegal to turn off tc, or that "performance" brake pads need a specific bedding in process, so that they can drive on roads that will have a maximum speed limit of 70 mph or considerably less?

You seem very comfortable with all of this, yet its vehicles that kill 400 peds a year. As has been said, you seem to be inured to this, possibly most motorists are.

I'm entirely comfortable thanks very much. Give me some figures that show how many pedestrians were killed as a direct consequence of someone fitting upgraded brake pads and we'll discuss this further. Until then, I'll just quietly chuckle every time I read the nonsense in your posts.

heebeegeetee said:

Re fitting brake pads, I have a garage business, we're fitting them all the time. I'm very familiar with how they operate when replaced. I take your point re changing discs as well, but if the guy didn't change the discs then his actions have indeed caused his braking distance to greatly lengthen. However, according to his video channel, the discs were also changed.

I'm massively sceptical that a new set of standard pads and discs would increase the braking distance like that. I may do the exercise myself out of interest to find out. Don't forget in the video he's had to drive to that location, so I'm surprised that the brakes are as bad as they are, at just 60mph.

So you have absolutely no experience of fitting or using high performance brake pads, and yet you think you know everything about them? That pretty much sums up your posts hebe. In fact for someone that owns a garage business you seems to be very lacking in knowledge of cars in general.

[heebeegeetee]

Mr2Mike said:

So you have absolutely no experience of fitting or using high performance brake pads, and yet you think you know everything about them? That pretty much sums up your posts hebe. In fact for someone that owns a garage business you seems to be very lacking in knowledge of cars in general.

We've never really discussed knowledge of cars, so I'm surprised you have knowledge of my knowledge of cars.

I'm not going to go down the willy waving route of car knowledge, but I've ran my own cars for some 40 years, including old bangers and classics. I've competed with my own cars over the years (at low levels) and really had very little problems with the cars. With one exception, whatever problems I had i fixed at the side of the road.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "fitting or using high performance brake pads". I've hurled an MGB down a French alp on a night road rally once, does that count? Because we were in danger of going over the time limit I threw caution to the wind and arrived at the control point with smoke pouring off the brakes. I don't mean smoke whisping, I mean thick, acrid smoke billowing and billowing and billowing off the brakes.

Thinking about it, stage rallying is the hardest use of brakes, I'd suggest. In October I'm marshaling on a week long classic rally in France, the sweep crew are guys steeped in the world of rallying, I believe the one guy is a renowned builder of cars, perhaps he's been involved with cars that use recirculating brake fluid etc, I'll ask him about bedding in processes.

I'm involved in hill climbing. There are some stonkingly quick cars involved in that sport, as you know. Stonking single seaters with hundreds of bhp. I'm just thinking about how they bed brake pads in, given that they get so little track time.

The E92 M3 I discussed, what it's delimited top speed? I don't know, there's a couple of vids on youtube which suggests it's around the 280kph mark, and it's a heavy car. Is that high performance? Either way, I was initially surprised that it's only got single piston front calipers, and then I wasn't surprised - it's backs up my thoughts on the subject.

Our garage business specialises in a certain car (and that's all I'm saying on the matter), and I'm very proud of what we've achieved. The motor trade doesn't like working on them, and so we've collected cars from all manner of business - "high performance" garages, vintage car restorers, truck garages (and trucks are bloody complicated bits of kit and we've been shocked at what people do.

And of course over the years I've never failed to be shocked at what car enthusiasts do to their cars either.

But it's interesting; you and I have never met, never ever had a conversation like this, yet you've decided I have very little knowledge of cars.

What I do worry is that you may dwell in that scary world of motoring bullst, the land of the aftermarket. I hate it, it scares me, I do all I can to keep it at arms length. The M3 owner who changed his brake pads to give himself a much longer braking distance is exactly what I'm thinking of. Incidentally, he didn't change his discs, I was wrong, I thought I saw a picture of the car with the discs removed.

I'm thinking of buying one of those cars (though we've just bought a nice camper van to tow my hillclimb car with, wife wants to go camping, so the M3 might be off the cards now) My hillclimb car is a bit of an oddball thing, I fancy a bit of lazy sprinting and hilclimbing with something like an E92 M3 - 414 bhp for less than £20k, conventional front engine rwd layout, use it as bog standard, drive to and from events.

And if I was changing brakes, I'd ether fir stock discs and pads or leave well alone. Also, if he'd bought that car from me, the wheel bolts would have been torqued and there would be no corrosion twixt wheel and hub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FBieMderxs

Here's a man who modified his car. Couldn't see, admitted he didn't check his mirror, killed a cyclist, got off scot free. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-law-is-...

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