Fool basically got himself convicted of manslaughter
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okgo said:
"Tragic. I totally agree with the charges. What we need is people driving in the same fashion prosecuted just like this..."
Chris Boardman on this.
I think it's safe to say that somebody who killed a pedestrian with a car, because his brakes were inadequate, would be having a very hard and heavy legal book thrown at them, yes.Chris Boardman on this.
And quite rightly so. Especially if they then posted on here about how at least the pedestrian hadn't damaged their car much.
Anybody found the forum thread in question? Be interesting to see the full posts, in context...
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 15th August 10:58
TooMany2cvs said:
I think it's safe to say that somebody who killed a pedestrian with a car, because his brakes were inadequate, would be having a very hard and heavy legal book thrown at them, yes.
And quite rightly so. Especially if they then posted on here about how at least the pedestrian hadn't damaged their car much.
Anybody found the forum thread in question? Be interesting to see the full posts, in context...
He is talking about people that kill cyclists with their car, which is a very good way to get away with murder generally.And quite rightly so. Especially if they then posted on here about how at least the pedestrian hadn't damaged their car much.
Anybody found the forum thread in question? Be interesting to see the full posts, in context...
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 15th August 10:58
ClaphamGT3 said:
Classic entitled "nothing can ever be my fault" millennial- we're going to see plenty more of this sort of thing
This is nonsense IMHO - and has just became some sort of mantra that has become 'true' as Pistonheads won't stop saying it. There have been d
heads before, there are dheads now (this lad is one) and there will always be dheads. Your parents generation as a rule probably thought you were dheads. Just like you think I'm a dhead because of my generation. It's one of the oldest stories in history.The idea that in the days of yore that the streets were filled with rosie cheeked urchins taking full responsibility for their actions, all of them saying 'I'll come clean copper' is silly.
Anyway - it sounds like he was riding a wholly unsuitable bike in a reckless manner and caused an avoidable accident by the sounds of it.
But I think the really hard bit to swallow is his sheer callousness and selfishness in the comments after....his wittering about the condition of his bike makes me particularly cross.
His attitude is the problem, it's pretty bad.
Quite similar to an obnoxious roadie I crossed paths with the other week. On a mtb using a road section to link up to more off-road stuff.
Nearly collides with me and it's obviously my fault he's pelting so fast he isn't looking up. He was so unapologetic and abusive it was unbelievable.
The only thing that stopped him from climbing out of a ditch and me stamping on his spokes is I had my son with me.
Tool, just like the guy in the article.
Quite similar to an obnoxious roadie I crossed paths with the other week. On a mtb using a road section to link up to more off-road stuff.
Nearly collides with me and it's obviously my fault he's pelting so fast he isn't looking up. He was so unapologetic and abusive it was unbelievable.
The only thing that stopped him from climbing out of a ditch and me stamping on his spokes is I had my son with me.
Tool, just like the guy in the article.
ecsrobin said:
...So how many people on PH ride non compliant bikes? Most SPD pedals certainly don’t have amber reflectors on. And most road bikes I see take the other reflectors off which are required at night.
Serious answer? The SPD pedals thing? I'm not compliant with the letter of the law, but to comply in spirit I wear those "slap-wrap" reflectors on my ankles after dark. They're in a similar place to pedal reflectors, are constantly moving (just like pedal reflectors) and have the added bonus of 360° visibility, not just from in front and from behind. When I'm not wearing them, they are wrapped around the bars or stem.The "other reflectors which are taken off"? If you refer to the white front reflector, and white or amber wheel reflectors with which a new bicycle must be fitted at point of sale, then you may be surprised to learn that they are NOT required by law when the cycle is in use after dark. They can quite legally be removed once the bike is yours. A bicycle only requires a red rear reflector, amber reflectors on the front and rear of the pedals (if manufactured after a date which I currently cannot remember), and white front lights and red rear lights if used between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise.
Or at least that's the facts as I recall them. Happy to be corrected if anyone can remember where to find the applicable law and provide a link.
Me? I carry lights and a front and rear reflector day and night. More and better lights than the minimum legal requirement. I also have those 3M Scotchlight tube-type reflectors on my spokes near the rim, instead of the flimsy plastic ones that clip on halfway between hub and rim.
But yes, it's the pedal reflector thing that annoys me. I can't clip in AND have proprietary pedal reflectors. That's why I improvise with the slap-wraps.
Vocal Minority said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Classic entitled "nothing can ever be my fault" millennial- we're going to see plenty more of this sort of thing
This is nonsense IMHO - and has just became some sort of mantra that has become 'true' as Pistonheads won't stop saying it. There have been d
heads before, there are dheads now (this lad is one) and there will always be dheads. Your parents generation as a rule probably thought you were dheads. Just like you think I'm a dhead because of my generation. It's one of the oldest stories in history.The idea that in the days of yore that the streets were filled with rosie cheeked urchins taking full responsibility for their actions, all of them saying 'I'll come clean copper' is silly.
king ages ago.yellowjack said:
Serious answer? The SPD pedals thing? I'm not compliant with the letter of the law, but to comply in spirit I wear those "slap-wrap" reflectors on my ankles after dark. They're in a similar place to pedal reflectors, are constantly moving (just like pedal reflectors) and have the added bonus of 360° visibility, not just from in front and from behind. When I'm not wearing them, they are wrapped around the bars or stem.
The "other reflectors which are taken off"? If you refer to the white front reflector, and white or amber wheel reflectors with which a new bicycle must be fitted at point of sale, then you may be surprised to learn that they are NOT required by law when the cycle is in use after dark. They can quite legally be removed once the bike is yours. A bicycle only requires a red rear reflector, amber reflectors on the front and rear of the pedals (if manufactured after a date which I currently cannot remember), and white front lights and red rear lights if used between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise.
Or at least that's the facts as I recall them. Happy to be corrected if anyone can remember where to find the applicable law and provide a link.
Me? I carry lights and a front and rear reflector day and night. More and better lights than the minimum legal requirement. I also have those 3M Scotchlight tube-type reflectors on my spokes near the rim, instead of the flimsy plastic ones that clip on halfway between hub and rim.
But yes, it's the pedal reflector thing that annoys me. I can't clip in AND have proprietary pedal reflectors. That's why I improvise with the slap-wraps.
I’m aware of the law and you’re correct, I was implying the red rear and pedals. The "other reflectors which are taken off"? If you refer to the white front reflector, and white or amber wheel reflectors with which a new bicycle must be fitted at point of sale, then you may be surprised to learn that they are NOT required by law when the cycle is in use after dark. They can quite legally be removed once the bike is yours. A bicycle only requires a red rear reflector, amber reflectors on the front and rear of the pedals (if manufactured after a date which I currently cannot remember), and white front lights and red rear lights if used between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise.
Or at least that's the facts as I recall them. Happy to be corrected if anyone can remember where to find the applicable law and provide a link.
Me? I carry lights and a front and rear reflector day and night. More and better lights than the minimum legal requirement. I also have those 3M Scotchlight tube-type reflectors on my spokes near the rim, instead of the flimsy plastic ones that clip on halfway between hub and rim.
But yes, it's the pedal reflector thing that annoys me. I can't clip in AND have proprietary pedal reflectors. That's why I improvise with the slap-wraps.
Certainly the first thing I always remove but then I don’t ride at night.
TooMany2cvs said:
All this about reflectors is lovely - if we're discussing the causes of somebody taken off their bike in poor light.
The collision in question happened because the rider couldn't stop in time - on a bike with illegal brakes.
Someone asked a question. I answered it. Threads evolve. Our little tangential interlude is hardly entering the realms of controversial, and is not likely to result in the thread being shut down. So don't worry yourself over it...The collision in question happened because the rider couldn't stop in time - on a bike with illegal brakes.
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