Electric bicycles - who buys them?
Discussion
bmwmike said:
Bizarre to want to limit pedal bike assist speeds when all cars can easily exceed minimum posted speed limits, and we trust those drivers to do the right thing.
I've perfectly legally done 45mph on my emtb, downhill. Yet the assistance cuts out at 15mph. Bonkers. 20mph would be much nicer for keeping up with traffic enroute to the trails.
The whole 'electric moped is different from a petrol moped' thing is perhaps bizarre?I've perfectly legally done 45mph on my emtb, downhill. Yet the assistance cuts out at 15mph. Bonkers. 20mph would be much nicer for keeping up with traffic enroute to the trails.
There's a great argument for 30mph e-mopeds on the road. But no reason for them not to be registered and insured.
And proper helmets required.
Allowing powered veicles on bridleways is only acceptable to a lot of people if the power and speed are pretty low.
Didn't some european countries have 25kph petrol 'mopeds' allowed on cycle tracks for 14 year olds?
There's plenty of bridleways where doing 45mph would be t
ttish on any bicycle, and potentially illegal.bmwmike said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
bmwmike said:
Bizarre to want to limit pedal bike assist speeds when all cars can easily exceed minimum posted speed limits, and we trust those drivers to do the right thing.
Because, for better or worse, car drivers are trained and licensed. They also don’t tend to drive on pavements. Whereas virtually every cyclist is untrained or licensed in any way. If you want to ride something that behaves like a motorbike, get a motorbike and get a license.
CheesecakeRunner said:
Yes some drivers break the law, but most don’t.
Whereas virtually every cyclist is untrained or licensed in any way. If you want to ride something that behaves like a motorbike, get a motorbike and get a license.
‘But most don’t’ - I don’t think you’d find a single driver who has never gone over the posted speed limit, so ‘most do’.Whereas virtually every cyclist is untrained or licensed in any way. If you want to ride something that behaves like a motorbike, get a motorbike and get a license.
And an ebike rides nothing like a motorbike, and is nowhere near as dangerous. I have both.
Richtea1970 said:
‘But most don’t’ - I don’t think you’d find a single driver who has never gone over the posted speed limit, so ‘most do’.
And an ebike rides nothing like a motorbike, and is nowhere near as dangerous. I have both.
Define 'dangerous'?And an ebike rides nothing like a motorbike, and is nowhere near as dangerous. I have both.
I could argue my pedal bike has higher risks than my 1000cc.
Certainly far more of my friends have had injuries from MTBs than motorbikes in the last ten years or so.
OutInTheShed said:
bmwmike said:
Bizarre to want to limit pedal bike assist speeds when all cars can easily exceed minimum posted speed limits, and we trust those drivers to do the right thing.
I've perfectly legally done 45mph on my emtb, downhill. Yet the assistance cuts out at 15mph. Bonkers. 20mph would be much nicer for keeping up with traffic enroute to the trails.
The whole 'electric moped is different from a petrol moped' thing is perhaps bizarre?I've perfectly legally done 45mph on my emtb, downhill. Yet the assistance cuts out at 15mph. Bonkers. 20mph would be much nicer for keeping up with traffic enroute to the trails.
There's a great argument for 30mph e-mopeds on the road. But no reason for them not to be registered and insured.
And proper helmets required.
Allowing powered veicles on bridleways is only acceptable to a lot of people if the power and speed are pretty low.
Didn't some european countries have 25kph petrol 'mopeds' allowed on cycle tracks for 14 year olds?
There's plenty of bridleways where doing 45mph would be t
ttish on any bicycle, and potentially illegal.I didn't do 45mph on a bridleway, agree that would be insane and t
ttish, so I agree with your assessment.CheesecakeRunner said:
bmwmike said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
bmwmike said:
Bizarre to want to limit pedal bike assist speeds when all cars can easily exceed minimum posted speed limits, and we trust those drivers to do the right thing.
Because, for better or worse, car drivers are trained and licensed. They also don’t tend to drive on pavements. Whereas virtually every cyclist is untrained or licensed in any way. If you want to ride something that behaves like a motorbike, get a motorbike and get a license.
CheesecakeRunner said:
Yes some drivers break the law, but most don’t.
Whereas virtually every cyclist is untrained or licensed in any way. If you want to ride something that behaves like a motorbike, get a motorbike and get a license.
A pedal assisted e-bike does not behave like a motorbike.Whereas virtually every cyclist is untrained or licensed in any way. If you want to ride something that behaves like a motorbike, get a motorbike and get a license.
Licensing for pedal cycles (incl assisted pedal bikes) is peak daily mail wet dream, won't happen.
Point stands - car drivers are apparently regulated yet many (most?) break the law at some point.
OutInTheShed said:
bmwmike said:
Bizarre to want to limit pedal bike assist speeds when all cars can easily exceed minimum posted speed limits, and we trust those drivers to do the right thing.
I've perfectly legally done 45mph on my emtb, downhill. Yet the assistance cuts out at 15mph. Bonkers. 20mph would be much nicer for keeping up with traffic enroute to the trails.
The whole 'electric moped is different from a petrol moped' thing is perhaps bizarre?I've perfectly legally done 45mph on my emtb, downhill. Yet the assistance cuts out at 15mph. Bonkers. 20mph would be much nicer for keeping up with traffic enroute to the trails.
There's a great argument for 30mph e-mopeds on the road. But no reason for them not to be registered and insured.
And proper helmets required.
Allowing powered veicles on bridleways is only acceptable to a lot of people if the power and speed are pretty low.
Didn't some european countries have 25kph petrol 'mopeds' allowed on cycle tracks for 14 year olds?
There's plenty of bridleways where doing 45mph would be t
ttish on any bicycle, and potentially illegal.bobbo89 said:
bmwmike said:
A pedal assisted e-bike does not behave like a motorbike.
Wished mine did yesterday with the tt of a head wind I had, absolutely did not feel like an e-bike in that moment! 
bmwmike said:
bobbo89 said:
bmwmike said:
A pedal assisted e-bike does not behave like a motorbike.
Wished mine did yesterday with the tt of a head wind I had, absolutely did not feel like an e-bike in that moment! I just ride everywhere in Eco or Tour; then Emtb feel like a torque beast
It is mildly amusing how the Thread started out with some debates about E-bikes are for cheaters, lazy etc.
Obviously this was debated back and those of us that have them, justify and validated they are not for cheaters, lazies etc - but the last week more of less is the same folks arguing they want more speed out of the motor, more, more,
Versus the original premise and justification laid out in the early posts.
Obviously this was debated back and those of us that have them, justify and validated they are not for cheaters, lazies etc - but the last week more of less is the same folks arguing they want more speed out of the motor, more, more,
Versus the original premise and justification laid out in the early posts.
PushedDover said:
It is mildly amusing how the Thread started out with some debates about E-bikes are for cheaters, lazy etc.
Obviously this was debated back and those of us that have them, justify and validated they are not for cheaters, lazies etc - but the last week more of less is the same folks arguing they want more speed out of the motor, more, more,
Versus the original premise and justification laid out in the early posts.
The lazy/cheater thing is just white noise, if you don't want/like ebikes, don't buy one.Obviously this was debated back and those of us that have them, justify and validated they are not for cheaters, lazies etc - but the last week more of less is the same folks arguing they want more speed out of the motor, more, more,
Versus the original premise and justification laid out in the early posts.
I'm not sure anyone want more and more speed out of them, certainly not from an eMTB context anyway, just enough to make the bike effective in it's intended environment.
PushedDover said:
It is mildly amusing how the Thread started out with some debates about E-bikes are for cheaters, lazy etc.
Obviously this was debated back and those of us that have them, justify and validated they are not for cheaters, lazies etc - but the last week more of less is the same folks arguing they want more speed out of the motor, more, more,
Versus the original premise and justification laid out in the early posts.
Am i one of those folks you refer to ? I was fairly anti ebike (as in pushing back getting one) until I got one, i must admit, but i've had one for over a year and i'm definitely a convert. Max HR 192 on e, 174 on HT. They are a blast. 2500 miles on the e in the last 12 months, 4 or 5 chains, on second cassette, second chain ring, second hub, 2nd rear tyre, Lol. Dare i say it, original motor. Upgraded the battery though.Obviously this was debated back and those of us that have them, justify and validated they are not for cheaters, lazies etc - but the last week more of less is the same folks arguing they want more speed out of the motor, more, more,
Versus the original premise and justification laid out in the early posts.
OutInTheShed said:
Richtea1970 said:
‘But most don’t’ - I don’t think you’d find a single driver who has never gone over the posted speed limit, so ‘most do’.
And an ebike rides nothing like a motorbike, and is nowhere near as dangerous. I have both.
Define 'dangerous'?And an ebike rides nothing like a motorbike, and is nowhere near as dangerous. I have both.
I could argue my pedal bike has higher risks than my 1000cc.
Certainly far more of my friends have had injuries from MTBs than motorbikes in the last ten years or so.
trails said:
bmwmike said:
bobbo89 said:
bmwmike said:
A pedal assisted e-bike does not behave like a motorbike.
Wished mine did yesterday with the tt of a head wind I had, absolutely did not feel like an e-bike in that moment! I just ride everywhere in Eco or Tour; then Emtb feel like a torque beast
f
k me it was hard work, in hindsight I should have taken the battery out at his, left it there then put it back in for the ride home. bobbo89 said:
I did it the other week, used the motor to pedal to my mates house where we set off on a proper ride from there, him not on an E so I committed to keeping the bike off completely.
fk me it was hard work, in hindsight I should have taken the battery out at his, left it there then put it back in for the ride home.
That's a firm no from me, I would have had proper jelly legs after that f
k me it was hard work, in hindsight I should have taken the battery out at his, left it there then put it back in for the ride home. trails said:
bobbo89 said:
I did it the other week, used the motor to pedal to my mates house where we set off on a proper ride from there, him not on an E so I committed to keeping the bike off completely.
fk me it was hard work, in hindsight I should have taken the battery out at his, left it there then put it back in for the ride home.
That's a firm no from me, I would have had proper jelly legs after that f
k me it was hard work, in hindsight I should have taken the battery out at his, left it there then put it back in for the ride home. When I set off back it packed in completely stating a speed sensor error. I dragged it back home but that included 3 fair climbs which killed me. When I got back I just sat on the garage floor for about half an hour as my legs were toast, beyond jelly and just completely dead!
dave_s13 said:
Fundamental to this debate around motorised vs non motorised cycles is that unless you've got experience of riding a non ebike, an ebike and a motorbike then your opinion is worth absolutely fxk all.
I've had plenty of exposure to all three.
15.5mph is too fekin slow.
Same as that I've had plenty of exposure to all three.
15.5mph is too fekin slow.
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