Veloviewer. Who is using it, and what do you get from it?

Veloviewer. Who is using it, and what do you get from it?

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Some Gump

12,704 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd November 2020
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Wow. fk that for a game.of soldiers!

I did a tiling ride on sat and didnt even connect the 2 clusters because of taking 1 look at the dual carriageway and thinking "nope!"

Keep going that though, mapping a good tile.ride then missing a square (rarely at the edge, always somewhere important) but i just read on rideeverytile that if i got a new garmin, theres now a tiling app. Hopefully santa decides i've been a good boy...

ukbabz

1,549 posts

127 months

Monday 23rd November 2020
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Solocle said:
Yeah, I thought it would be bad... but most of it had a frontage road, which was perfectly pleasant. That left a 600m bash into Ringwood, or there's possibly an off road alternative. But it didn't look great, and it's been wet recently. I meant to hit it at 8:30, but it was more like 9:30. Still, being a Sunday morning with some semblance of lockdown, I was fairly happy with the traffic level. With the added bonus that traffic staying on the A31 would be in lane 3 thumbup



Tbh I'd be wary of that bit of the A303, since there's a significant amount of single carriageway involved. My experience is that at quiet times, those are the worst bits of the A303, although I'm admittedly extrapolating from a sample size of 2.
I think you just enjoy the big roads! Looks like there's a few alternatives for those tiles without the A31.

do you have an A road 'tiling' challenge to tick the 2 digit ones off? ;-)

Solocle

3,303 posts

85 months

Monday 23rd November 2020
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ukbabz said:
Solocle said:
Yeah, I thought it would be bad... but most of it had a frontage road, which was perfectly pleasant. That left a 600m bash into Ringwood, or there's possibly an off road alternative. But it didn't look great, and it's been wet recently. I meant to hit it at 8:30, but it was more like 9:30. Still, being a Sunday morning with some semblance of lockdown, I was fairly happy with the traffic level. With the added bonus that traffic staying on the A31 would be in lane 3 thumbup



Tbh I'd be wary of that bit of the A303, since there's a significant amount of single carriageway involved. My experience is that at quiet times, those are the worst bits of the A303, although I'm admittedly extrapolating from a sample size of 2.
I think you just enjoy the big roads! Looks like there's a few alternatives for those tiles without the A31.

do you have an A road 'tiling' challenge to tick the 2 digit ones off? ;-)
Some Gump said:
Wow. fk that for a game.of soldiers!

I did a tiling ride on sat and didnt even connect the 2 clusters because of taking 1 look at the dual carriageway and thinking "nope!"

Keep going that though, mapping a good tile.ride then missing a square (rarely at the edge, always somewhere important) but i just read on rideeverytile that if i got a new garmin, theres now a tiling app. Hopefully santa decides i've been a good boy...
I definitely don't seek these roads out, but, at the same time, I'm not hugely averse to them either. To avoid that section of the A31 I'd either have had to go a few kms up or downriver to find a bridge, or use an unknown off road path that looked like it might be prone to flooding. Next to those alternatives, I decided that 600m on the A31 early on a Sunday morning wouldn't be too bad. But e.g. I was using the service road alongside the A31 where it was available, even though it was, at least in theory, slightly less direct, due to the roundabouts.

There was a second stint on the A31, too, but that section had a 50 mph limit, a more standard two lanes, and roundabouts to break things up. It was hectic enough though that I decided to burn some matches and engage moped speed... After I got off at Tricket's Cross, I pulled over into a layby and caught my breath.

As for ticking off A roads... maybe single digits. I've done the A1,A3,A4,A5, and A6. Mostly in London, it has to be admitted!

I mean, just look at the efficiency of that section beyond Bournemouth airport. 15 tiles in as many kilometres.

Edited by Solocle on Monday 23 November 18:39

yellowjack

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17,080 posts

167 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Today's effort from me.

44.5 miles, 46 tiles ridden, but only 12 new ones claimed. And you can ignore the "holes" in the map - I already had those three tiles covered riding from my old house. This ride was mostly just peaceful rural roads through rolling Hampshire countryside, but it was necessary to go "BOATing" a few times. The first excursion onto a Byway was forced upon me by a 'Private Road - No Entry, Residents Only' sign. But that section was OK. Solid enough surface, and it soon morphed into a proper tarmac road. The last excursion was horrid, though. I needed to do it because it was the only route at all through one particular tile. 3 kms of alternately riding, then poking mud out from under the brake calipers, then shouldering the bike to avoid more mud getting jammed up under the fork crown and brake bridge wasn't much fun, especially in the dark. But it has "cleaned up" a bunch of loose single tiles and small groups. Clearing this area out means that it should be more obvious as to where I should concentrate my efforts now. I'm looking at the 142 tiles spread densely in the triangle between Andover, Basingstoke, and Winchester now. I might not get near to doing them all in a single ride, but picking them off should be pretty efficient, with a good "tiles to miles" ratio.


Solocle

3,303 posts

85 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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No dual carriageways this time - but the fcensoreding B3081 was actually worse!



Edited by Solocle on Sunday 29th November 19:04

yellowjack

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17,080 posts

167 months

Monday 30th November 2020
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Solocle said:
No dual carriageways this time - but the fcensoreding B3081 was actually worse!



Edited by Solocle on Sunday 29th November 19:04
Matchams roundabout. Not great to ride on the carriageway. Too many idiot drivers ignoring the reduction in the speed limit when they come off the A31, so it's especially difficult to make right turns. I used to use it a lot to get back to Bournemouth, coming down Hurn Road/Matchams Lane. It's well served for traffic free cycling off that junction though. Just out of shot behind you in that photo is the rail bed of the Castleman Trail, which would eventually get you to Poole, and although a bit muddy at this end, it is just about rideable on a road bike even at this time of year. It gets a sealed surface closer to Poole too. And there are two traffic free options into Ringwood from the other side of the A31 bridge.

The Hurn Road/Matchams Lane route isn't ideal for cycling either. For some reason it finds favour with drivers who really ought to be on the A338 Spur Road. I prefer the north/south routes to the east of Ringwood, either the B3347 (a fast road but generally plenty of space to share the road) or (part of) the local TT route that comes down on Crow Lane/Thatchers Lane/Ringwood Road through Bransgore. The other alternative is the gravel route to the west from St Leonards (starts at a car park near the housing development on the old St Leonards hospital site on the A31. Further west still and there's the gravel byway that starts off Thames Close in Trickett's Cross/Ferndown, and comes out on Chapel Lane by the airport industrial estate and the sports ground at the Bournemouth end.


I took a break from tiling at the end of last week. I had to be honest with myself - it was becoming a chore, and I wasn't enjoying it as much as I had been. So I "hit the reset button" and just did some random riding on roads I am more familiar with in the New Forest. Not pressuring myself into riding on muddy byways and bridleways, and not stopping every few miles to read my map and plan/re-plan the next part of my route made a refreshing change. And coincidentally brought my average speed up by around 2½ to 3 mph for the same perceived effort. And yet I still managed to find a few roads I'd not yet ridden, or rode them in the opposite direction and picked up some new Strava segments. Today looks grim. I'm sitting here staring out of the window, waiting for this mist/fog to burn off or blow away...

Solocle

3,303 posts

85 months

Monday 30th November 2020
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yellowjack said:
Matchams roundabout. Not great to ride on the carriageway. Too many idiot drivers ignoring the reduction in the speed limit when they come off the A31, so it's especially difficult to make right turns. I used to use it a lot to get back to Bournemouth, coming down Hurn Road/Matchams Lane. It's well served for traffic free cycling off that junction though. Just out of shot behind you in that photo is the rail bed of the Castleman Trail, which would eventually get you to Poole, and although a bit muddy at this end, it is just about rideable on a road bike even at this time of year. It gets a sealed surface closer to Poole too. And there are two traffic free options into Ringwood from the other side of the A31 bridge.

The Hurn Road/Matchams Lane route isn't ideal for cycling either. For some reason it finds favour with drivers who really ought to be on the A338 Spur Road. I prefer the north/south routes to the east of Ringwood, either the B3347 (a fast road but generally plenty of space to share the road) or (part of) the local TT route that comes down on Crow Lane/Thatchers Lane/Ringwood Road through Bransgore. The other alternative is the gravel route to the west from St Leonards (starts at a car park near the housing development on the old St Leonards hospital site on the A31. Further west still and there's the gravel byway that starts off Thames Close in Trickett's Cross/Ferndown, and comes out on Chapel Lane by the airport industrial estate and the sports ground at the Bournemouth end.


I took a break from tiling at the end of last week. I had to be honest with myself - it was becoming a chore, and I wasn't enjoying it as much as I had been. So I "hit the reset button" and just did some random riding on roads I am more familiar with in the New Forest. Not pressuring myself into riding on muddy byways and bridleways, and not stopping every few miles to read my map and plan/re-plan the next part of my route made a refreshing change. And coincidentally brought my average speed up by around 2½ to 3 mph for the same perceived effort. And yet I still managed to find a few roads I'd not yet ridden, or rode them in the opposite direction and picked up some new Strava segments. Today looks grim. I'm sitting here staring out of the window, waiting for this mist/fog to burn off or blow away...
I've got some rear view footage of the A31 bits last Sunday on Youtube - A31 Party
I find dual carriageways can make quite good motivation to put the watts down, as can be seen in the 2nd half of that video...

Regarding the Castleman, I work at the other end of it, and it's hella muddy there.

(The blue route is last November's Moonrakers & Sunseekers Audax - it makes quite a convenient boundary for most of this bit)

But there's not much reason for me to head out that way anyway, any more. I've got a few loose tiles around Highcliffe on Sea, and then there's a tough one around Somerley House - but, hey, it looks like the start point of the New Forest 100, so I may just have to enter that hehe

Edited by Solocle on Monday 30th November 18:56

Gareth1974

3,418 posts

140 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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End of November round up. Have focussed my efforts in November on after work rides near Rugby where I work.

853 tiles (was 702)
Max square 16x16 (was 14x14)
Max cluster 462 (was 384)
Veloviewer score 92.703 (was 92.458)


yellowjack

Original Poster:

17,080 posts

167 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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A bit of a "reset" for me this last couple of weeks. 'Tiling' was becoming a bit of a chore, and I was putting myself under too much pressure to ride silly routes across muddy byways and bridleways just to avoid leaving gaps. It was also putting a lot of miles on the car getting to and from my chosen start points. Just not much fun anymore.

So I've gone back to riding from home for a while. Last week I just covered old ground, headed out east and rode around the New Forest for a couple of evenings. Now I've turned my attention west into rural Dorset. Riding for fun, with a few VeloViewer tiles as a bit of a "side dish".

Two centuries this week, and today's 100.99 mile ride covered 84 tiles, yet it yielded only 3 new ones. Two weeks ago I'd have thought that unthinkable. And a "waste of miles". But it's a refreshing change to be honest. And those 3 tiles? I almost let those slip too. But in the end i wanted to come back with something to show for all those miles when I updated my VeloViewer account...


Today's ride in tiles...


...and as a 3D elevation map.


And those three tiles bottom left? They've been eluding me for a long time. Now you see them...


...and now you don't!


This might not be the most time-efficient way of tiling, with so much "old" ground to cover before getting to the new tiles, but it's made a nice change and allowed me to get my cycling "mojo" back again.


Solocle

3,303 posts

85 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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yellowjack said:
A bit of a "reset" for me this last couple of weeks. 'Tiling' was becoming a bit of a chore, and I was putting myself under too much pressure to ride silly routes across muddy byways and bridleways just to avoid leaving gaps. It was also putting a lot of miles on the car getting to and from my chosen start points. Just not much fun anymore.

So I've gone back to riding from home for a while. Last week I just covered old ground, headed out east and rode around the New Forest for a couple of evenings. Now I've turned my attention west into rural Dorset. Riding for fun, with a few VeloViewer tiles as a bit of a "side dish".

Two centuries this week, and today's 100.99 mile ride covered 84 tiles, yet it yielded only 3 new ones. Two weeks ago I'd have thought that unthinkable. And a "waste of miles". But it's a refreshing change to be honest. And those 3 tiles? I almost let those slip too. But in the end i wanted to come back with something to show for all those miles when I updated my VeloViewer account...


Today's ride in tiles...


...and as a 3D elevation map.


And those three tiles bottom left? They've been eluding me for a long time. Now you see them...


...and now you don't!


This might not be the most time-efficient way of tiling, with so much "old" ground to cover before getting to the new tiles, but it's made a nice change and allowed me to get my cycling "mojo" back again.
FYI there's a bridleway that runs right through your gap above Dorchester, it can be a bit of a bugger to find wink


Solocle

3,303 posts

85 months

Sunday 6th December 2020
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Well, that's that gap filled.

Cluster up to 1169

Edited by Solocle on Sunday 6th December 16:22

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Might appeal in a similar way

Wandrer.earth

Just been reading about it

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/12/quick-app-revi...

ukbabz

1,549 posts

127 months

Thursday 10th December 2020
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JPJPJP said:
Might appeal in a similar way

Wandrer.earth

Just been reading about it

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/12/quick-app-revi...
It does seem to be more focused on roads for it's completion than squares, which makes it more achievable - although it's more expensive.

dirtbiker

1,190 posts

167 months

Thursday 10th December 2020
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I've signed up for the Wandrer Extra Lost package and am not quite sure what I've paid for to be honest except for being able to load all of my rides.

It is quite fun to see where I've not been locally though and I'll probably mix up my usual routes because of it so perhaps that's enough justification for the $30! Seems easy enough to download a map for the Garmin so will give that a bash later.

Pleased to be in the top 10 for Aberdeen given that a lot of my riding is just going to and from the office!

Comacchio

1,510 posts

182 months

Thursday 10th December 2020
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dirtbiker said:
I've signed up for the Wandrer Extra Lost package and am not quite sure what I've paid for to be honest except for being able to load all of my rides.

It is quite fun to see where I've not been locally though and I'll probably mix up my usual routes because of it so perhaps that's enough justification for the $30! Seems easy enough to download a map for the Garmin so will give that a bash later.

Pleased to be in the top 10 for Aberdeen given that a lot of my riding is just going to and from the office!
I just created an account to take a look, didnt sign up for any of the paid for elements - I'm 6th in North Ayrshire apparently. Don't see me using this very often, VeloViewer interface inspires me more.

ukbabz

1,549 posts

127 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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This tiling malarky is getting a bit daft, I've even started plotting running routes when away from home to up the explorer score and trying to build a bit of a cluster near my family in York.

Managed to add 2 more taking the score to 2989, and have a cluster of 15 in York - joining it to my Oxfordshire one would be a bit too much even for Solocle!

Solocle

3,303 posts

85 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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ukbabz said:
This tiling malarky is getting a bit daft, I've even started plotting running routes when away from home to up the explorer score and trying to build a bit of a cluster near my family in York.

Managed to add 2 more taking the score to 2989, and have a cluster of 15 in York - joining it to my Oxfordshire one would be a bit too much even for Solocle!
Well, I did plan this route for the Festive 500... The Fosse Way has a bit of personal significance, since it connected my parents.



Tiling up to Sheffield from Oxford I know to be about 600 km, I've got a route for that!

I have a cluster around Leeds that I eventually want to join up.

Edited by Solocle on Monday 14th December 18:18

ukbabz

1,549 posts

127 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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Yeah pulling the max cluster up there would be a monstrous effort, realistically not sure I'll ever get the time to do it! The overhead of keeping at least 3 tiles wide adds a lot of junk distance and on a long ride that would be killer. Although a ride from home to my mum's home (south of Didcot to northern outskirts of York) is something I'd like to try one day (likely meet the wife in York and get the car back!)

The whole tiling malarkey is pretty much parked now it's winter and that the nearest empty tile is 30km away unless I take the bike out in the car to explore some new areas

yellowjack

Original Poster:

17,080 posts

167 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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I've had over a week spent mostly away from the bike.

My wife had a week's leave booked so I've spent time with her while I can. But she wanted to go shopping in Salisbury t'other day - shopping I wasn't permitted to witness. So I dropped her in town and headed to the Wilton Park and Ride for a "three hour ride".

Four and a half hours later, I was back to collect her, having ridden 59 tiles and claimed 14 new ones in four groups, two twos and two fives. It's filled in a few annoying gaps around Salisbury Plain now. And properly isolated the four 'Impossible' tiles at Porton Down. I'm hoping to get up there again soon, but this time on fatter tyres to cover some of the byways and bridleways that criss-cross the army training estate up there.

My ride...




And how it looks in that area now...


Rather inconveniently, some of those tile groups on the left of the map are army "Red Flagged" ranges. Indeed, the Imber Range danger area is always active, whether it's in use or not. A few times per year they open the road through to Imber village itself, but not the other roads and tracks. I'm going to have to get a bit sneaky/stealthy with a few over there. And the Larkhill artillery Impact Area also has tiles with no roads, paths, or tracks marked on the map. The bulk of it's tiles are accessible on Byways when there's no firing going on, but I may well have to feign "getting terribly lost Mr Range Warden" to bag some of those too. They're do-able, because almost all of them have been done by at least one other VeloViewer member already.

A couple of 100 milers the previous week, both ridden from home, gained a few more out toward Dorchester/Weymouth, but one of those big rides yielded only three tiles. I really am deep into the realms of "get used to riding over 100 miles for a small handful of tiles" if I want to ride from my doorstep. Either that, or it's at least two hours driving in a day to get to places where I can get my teeth into some fresh tiles from the first turn of the pedals.

I have no intention of "parking" this tiling malarkey for winter though. Riding through winter is something I just enjoy doing. I usually sign up for, and ride the Festive 500. This year, though, with no patch to claim and the inclusion of indoor rides, I'm thinking of signing up for the PVS Events #festivefkall instead... https://www.pvsevents.com/festivefkall (you'll have to correct the url after PH's swear filter has been at it). I mean, at least they have merch' you can buy... wink

It's getting much tougher to expand my Max Square now. I've gone at it without much of a plan up to now, and that "scattergun" approach means there is no obvious direction in which to go. There are gaps to the north, east and west that could be filled to contribute to expansion, but I can't see one direction which would yield a quick, efficient, and obvious route. So I'm now just working on chipping away at bigger gaps which won't do much for Square building, but will draw more tiles into my Max Cluster. Time is the issue for me really, because I'm a pretty slow rider, so any tiling ride of meanigful length takes me away from home pretty much for a whole day now.

yellowjack

Original Poster:

17,080 posts

167 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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And just because I was wondering about it myself, here's my tiling state right now...



...plenty of gaps to fill, for sure. And plenty of space to expand into. But no one obvious area to head for really. Plus the A303 is really beginning to irritate me now. It literally is the only sealed surface road through many tiles, so it comes down to MTBing to grab tiles via byways and bridleways, or taking my life in my hands and riding on what, in many places, is a de facto motorway.


Explorer score:
3866 tiles (an average of 8.356 mi per tile)
Max square = 28x28
Max Cluster = 2379