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Cliffe60 said:
I just remember how terrible mountain biking was before disc brakes. You can keep any of these retro bikes.
The only real problem I had with rim brakes (apart from the grinding noise, the clagging up and the rim wear) was such significant heating of the rim and the air in the tyre that the valve blew from over pressure !Twice it happened and a sudden and complete depressurisation at speed is not nice. Once was riding down Honister pass which wasn't fun.
The actual braking power was more than adequate on canti's.
Gary C said:
Cliffe60 said:
I just remember how terrible mountain biking was before disc brakes. You can keep any of these retro bikes.
The only real problem I had with rim brakes (apart from the grinding noise, the clagging up and the rim wear) was such significant heating of the rim and the air in the tyre that the valve blew from over pressure !Twice it happened and a sudden and complete depressurisation at speed is not nice. Once was riding down Honister pass which wasn't fun.
The actual braking power was more than adequate on canti's.
Only issues with rim brakes are the heating as you've mentioned - and rims buckling then snagging/mud clearance.
Indeed, the very 'best' mountain bike brakes I've ever used were Magura hydraulic rim brakes. Way, way more powerful than modern discs (longer lever they're acting on - only time I've ever been able to do 'front wheel skids' with zero risk of going over the bars!), easy maintenance due to larger working area, etc.
I'm light, and (used to be!) a good wheelbuilder, so I've never had a rim go out of true. I'm also not a gnarly downhiller with routine long, steep descents which would lead to fade or overheating.
Long live rim brakes!
Maguras !
Forgotten about them.
Never had any but I do remember them being launched and seemed amazing.
Think I saw a Trimble carbon in Austria with them on and the very first rockshocks too. Was like a vision of the future.
Took my 99 Trek fuel out yesterday, still a very good bike for cross country.
Forgotten about them.
Never had any but I do remember them being launched and seemed amazing.
Think I saw a Trimble carbon in Austria with them on and the very first rockshocks too. Was like a vision of the future.
Took my 99 Trek fuel out yesterday, still a very good bike for cross country.
V1nce Fox said:
DailyHack said:
Yeah I would never go back to rim brakes on a MTB, kind of different on a road bike though, rims are still perfectly fine on the road still.
Weirdly, i’ve only ever ridden cantis or Vs. cml24 said:
I've only recently switched my main bike to one with hydraulic discs. I've got no issues with v brakes in the dry, and they stopped fine in thr wet, but I could wear a set of blocks out on a long ride, and part way round i'd be stopping to re-adjust them. That got tiresome.
One thing i do like about discs is they don’t bugger up black anodised rims. 
d8mok said:
Zippee said:
Paul's mechs as well.... frame is also a very rare colour.
Do you mind if I ask how much you snagged it for?
It wasnt cheap at all. Do you mind if I ask how much you snagged it for?
Proshift R mech, Pauls front mech & brakes & levers.
Frame is available if you fancied it, as is the Shiny bits
I've already got a red f8 so no need for another
DailyHack said:
Cliffe60 said:
I just remember how terrible mountain biking was before disc brakes. You can keep any of these retro bikes.
Yeah I would never go back to rim brakes on a MTB, kind of different on a road bike though, rims are still perfectly fine on the road still.Plus a retro bike is no different to classic car ownership.
The modern stuff is more comfortable and quicker but the old stuff is still fun.
Dug out my '95 Marin Mount Vision from the back of the ''junk shed'' the other day, must have been sat in there unused for at least 10 years, it was caked in cobwebs and the tyres and tubes were literally falling to bits they were so badly perished.
Got a new set of tyres and tubes, chucked a bucket of water over it, quick squirt of the mechs with gt-85 and remarkably it works perfectly, gears are as smooth as ever and the v-brakes are sharp, all the components shimano xt.
Only annoying thing is the alu frame seems to have suffered some ugly cosmetic surface corrosion, lots of weird little pockmarks and tendril like marks all over it, almost like the marks left behind by ivy roots when you remove it after it's been growing up a wall.
Got a new set of tyres and tubes, chucked a bucket of water over it, quick squirt of the mechs with gt-85 and remarkably it works perfectly, gears are as smooth as ever and the v-brakes are sharp, all the components shimano xt.
Only annoying thing is the alu frame seems to have suffered some ugly cosmetic surface corrosion, lots of weird little pockmarks and tendril like marks all over it, almost like the marks left behind by ivy roots when you remove it after it's been growing up a wall.
Sway said:
Unfortunately, it'll be a lacquered frame, so the only fix is to bead blast it back to raw, then recoat. Not a cheap process to do right.
Well that won't be happening!At least not unless the value of it goes the same way as some other retro bikes like Haros, PK Rippers etc!
Sway said:
White worms...
They're bloody annoying.
Get them on deep dish alloy wheels too, where water sits on the lacquer.
Unfortunately, it'll be a lacquered frame, so the only fix is to bead blast it back to raw, then recoat. Not a cheap process to do right.
Actually I'm surprised that in my bikes case the damage has been caused by water/moisture sitting on the lacquer, the shed is water tight and very dry, as evidenced by the tyres perishing so badly and there's damage all over the frame even on the vertical tubes where water definitely couldn't have sat?They're bloody annoying.
Get them on deep dish alloy wheels too, where water sits on the lacquer.
Unfortunately, it'll be a lacquered frame, so the only fix is to bead blast it back to raw, then recoat. Not a cheap process to do right.
Don't strip it for parts. It's a Pace. It MUST be restored/refurbished/rebuilt and ridden again. NO Pace should ever be sacrificed 
mike74 said:
Dug out my '95 Marin Mount Vision from the back of the ''junk shed'' the other day, must have been sat in there unused for at least 10 years, it was caked in cobwebs and the tyres and tubes were literally falling to bits they were so badly perished.
Got a new set of tyres and tubes, chucked a bucket of water over it, quick squirt of the mechs with gt-85 and remarkably it works perfectly, gears are as smooth as ever and the v-brakes are sharp, all the components shimano xt.
Only annoying thing is the alu frame seems to have suffered some ugly cosmetic surface corrosion, lots of weird little pockmarks and tendril like marks all over it, almost like the marks left behind by ivy roots when you remove it after it's been growing up a wall.
The Mount Vision was introduced in 1997, great bikes - I have a 1998 frame hanging in my garage and its covered with the same marks on the alu. A polish after hot soapy water did improve it a little, its hung high up so no-one gets close enough to see.Got a new set of tyres and tubes, chucked a bucket of water over it, quick squirt of the mechs with gt-85 and remarkably it works perfectly, gears are as smooth as ever and the v-brakes are sharp, all the components shimano xt.
Only annoying thing is the alu frame seems to have suffered some ugly cosmetic surface corrosion, lots of weird little pockmarks and tendril like marks all over it, almost like the marks left behind by ivy roots when you remove it after it's been growing up a wall.
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