Non-live route planner for alpine passes

[Pothole]

I'm thinking you cyclisti may know where I can find what I'm looking for. I'm trying to find interesting routes through the alps taking in some ski resorts along the way, using smaller, more twisty, interesting roads. I'm being baulked at the moment because roads are closed, whether because of snow or what, I don't know but it doesn't matter.

Any ideas?

[SpartacusF]

Anything non-live won't show which roads are closed. I use ridewithgps to plan, and triple check with Google maps and Waze closer to the day you want to do it.

[Lim]

Off topic but I use Guru maps to download offline tiles from opencyclemaps and it works well for areas with no reception.

Re your question, the planner isn't likely to take you the more interesting route in any case? And things can change quickly, So better off planning visually then double checking before setting off?

[Pothole]

SpartacusF said:

Anything non-live won't show which roads are closed. I use ridewithgps to plan, and triple check with Google maps and Waze closer to the day you want to do it.

I don't want to know which roads are closed now, in winter. I'm not going until September.

[Pothole]

Lim said:

Off topic but I use Guru maps to download offline tiles from opencyclemaps and it works well for areas with no reception.

Re your question, the planner isn't likely to take you the more interesting route in any case? And things can change quickly, So better off planning visually then double checking before setting off?

Thanks. I'll look at that.

Maybe I didn't phrase it right. I know pretty much which towns, villages and valleys I want to go through but Google maps and Waze etc. won't allow me to plan a route through them at the moment because their live road information tells them roads are currently closed. I don't care about roads which are closed now, in winter, because I'm not going now, in winter. I'm planning way ahead, but I'd like to get some idea of timing if nothing else so I can plan overnight accommodation if necessary. (I'm not cycling, I just know the areas are popular with cyclists, so thought the denizens of Pedal Powered might have tips) I'd like to have a visual representation rather than a lsit of road numbers and stops.

[addey]

Pothole said:

SpartacusF said:

Anything non-live won't show which roads are closed. I use ridewithgps to plan, and triple check with Google maps and Waze closer to the day you want to do it.

I don't want to know which roads are closed now, in winter. I'm not going until September.

That's what he's saying? Use ridewithgps to plan your route, it's non-live. Then if you want you can check in September using Google/Waze to check for any closures? You could also use Strava heatmaps which should show the routes that cyclists take i.e more likely to be nicer/quieter roads

[foiled]

Agree, use Strava to map the route, especially if you know which towns you want to cycle between

[the tribester]

Pothole said:

Thanks. I'll look at that.

Maybe I didn't phrase it right. I know pretty much which towns, villages and valleys I want to go through but Google maps and Waze etc. won't allow me to plan a route through them at the moment because their live road information tells them roads are currently closed. I don't care about roads which are closed now, in winter, because I'm not going now, in winter. I'm planning way ahead....

In Google Maps you can change your departure time/date , is it possible to change it to September, so Google will view those currently snow blocked roads as open?

[Pothole]

addey said:

Pothole said:

SpartacusF said:

Anything non-live won't show which roads are closed. I use ridewithgps to plan, and triple check with Google maps and Waze closer to the day you want to do it.

I don't want to know which roads are closed now, in winter. I'm not going until September.

That's what he's saying? Use ridewithgps to plan your route, it's non-live. Then if you want you can check in September using Google/Waze to check for any closures? You could also use Strava heatmaps which should show the routes that cyclists take i.e more likely to be nicer/quieter roads

Ah OK. Misunderstood

[IJWS15]

Can you set the “leave at” in google far enough ahead that it thinks the roads will be open?

Strava now needs a subscription to plan routes but the Garmin route planner (generally free with a device) will do the same things.

[smifffymoto]

Have a play on Komoot with the road,tour and mtb settings.

[Pothole]

IJWS15 said:

Can you set the “leave at” in google far enough ahead that it thinks the roads will be open?

Strava now needs a subscription to plan routes but the Garmin route planner (generally free with a device) will do the same things.

Don't know, I'll try it.

I think my wife has a Garmin device. Good tip. Thanks

[millen]

Free version of RideWithGPS still allows me to route plan in Europe. Can set the 'mode' to walking, cycling or driving - the first two are not guaranteed to be tarmac roads!

Komoot I sometimes use and has different mode categories. From memory EUR20 buys you lifetime access to whole of Europe - free version is limited to your local region eg SE England. Somehow I don't gel with Komoot Germanic logic!

Strava is I think now £40 pa subscription for access to advanced features like planning, though as others have said, HeatMaps are interesting.

I watched a Harry's Garage the other day where he took a big Bentley/Roller to do some Swiss climbs in summer. Was a little miffed when he found his preferred pass was still impassable!

[rastapasta]

what about following road signs. Not being a smart arse but for example, if you road out of zurich along lake zurich and wanted to take in hoch ybrig ski station then you swing a right at pfaffikon on the lake and climb then you ride along the ridge to hoch ybrig and ride down again at siebnen. you can then follow the sign posts to glarus and then onto klausen which is an alpine pass, ride down on the otherside and back to zurich on the other side of the ridge. all signposted. no guesswork whatsoever.

[Pothole]

rastapasta said:

what about following road signs. Not being a smart arse but for example, if you road out of zurich along lake zurich and wanted to take in hoch ybrig ski station then you swing a right at pfaffikon on the lake and climb then you ride along the ridge to hoch ybrig and ride down again at siebnen. you can then follow the sign posts to glarus and then onto klausen which is an alpine pass, ride down on the otherside and back to zurich on the other side of the ridge. all signposted. no guesswork whatsoever.

That'd be lovely if I felt I could just stop when I felt I'd gone far enough and be guaranteed a room for the night with secure parking for my motorcycle...I really want to split my journey between two fixed points (Geneva and Mandello Del Lario) pretty much in thirds, doing two thirds the first day and arriving at my already booked accommodation at about 1530 on the second...