New bike prices crystal ball
Discussion
JackReacher said:
I started looking for a new bike in early 2020 (pre-covid) where £1800 seemed to get me what I wanted (carbon frame, full 105, hydraulic discs) with plenty of different bikes available and sizes, but perhaps too many options that I struggled to make a decision on which bike to go for.
I've been looking for something for a while and finally went ahead and ordered last week, a Giant TCR advanced 2 disc in the correct size and actually available, but I'm having to pay £500 more than originally wanted and it isn't quite full 105 with a shimano non-105 crankset. The only positive is that perhaps I can shift my sora equipped Allez for more than I would have done!
I think you have done well to only pay £500 more between early 2020 and now to be honestI've been looking for something for a while and finally went ahead and ordered last week, a Giant TCR advanced 2 disc in the correct size and actually available, but I'm having to pay £500 more than originally wanted and it isn't quite full 105 with a shimano non-105 crankset. The only positive is that perhaps I can shift my sora equipped Allez for more than I would have done!
I have no idea why Giant put that hideous chainset on their bikes though, just increase the price by £50 and put a proper one on there...
Prices do seem to be nuts these days.
I need some new rotors for my brakes (SRAM centreline that are now five years old and pretty worn). A 200mm rotor now retails at £50...that’s what paid for a pair. Posh flats like Burgtec have always been around £100, but cheaper stuff is catching them up. Then there the task of actually getting stuff. I needed on a new GXP BB; on back order with the main importer until September. My LBS found an alternative supplier but it still seems nuts that run if the mill stuff is so hard to get hold of.
With the shortage of components, the lack of grey imports is definitely keeping prices high.
I need some new rotors for my brakes (SRAM centreline that are now five years old and pretty worn). A 200mm rotor now retails at £50...that’s what paid for a pair. Posh flats like Burgtec have always been around £100, but cheaper stuff is catching them up. Then there the task of actually getting stuff. I needed on a new GXP BB; on back order with the main importer until September. My LBS found an alternative supplier but it still seems nuts that run if the mill stuff is so hard to get hold of.
With the shortage of components, the lack of grey imports is definitely keeping prices high.
Court_S said:
Prices do seem to be nuts these days.
I need some new rotors for my brakes (SRAM centreline that are now five years old and pretty worn). A 200mm rotor now retails at £50...that’s what paid for a pair. Posh flats like Burgtec have always been around £100, but cheaper stuff is catching them up. Then there the task of actually getting stuff. I needed on a new GXP BB; on back order with the main importer until September. My LBS found an alternative supplier but it still seems nuts that run if the mill stuff is so hard to get hold of.
With the shortage of components, the lack of grey imports is definitely keeping prices high.
That’s about it. I’ve been having to trawl every obscure LBS I can locate recently, just to get really mundane bits, that are normally really easy to find, just about anywhere. For example, I tried to find new brake pads for one of my bikes, and all the normal go to web based suppliers were completely out of stock, with no idea when new stock would arrive, so I googled furiously, and found a really obscure LBS in Wolverhampton had them. It did make me smile when they turned up, as they had a price sticker on them, that looked like had come from one of those 1970s style price sticker guns. A super job from the LBS though, they turned up about 2 days after I ordered them.I need some new rotors for my brakes (SRAM centreline that are now five years old and pretty worn). A 200mm rotor now retails at £50...that’s what paid for a pair. Posh flats like Burgtec have always been around £100, but cheaper stuff is catching them up. Then there the task of actually getting stuff. I needed on a new GXP BB; on back order with the main importer until September. My LBS found an alternative supplier but it still seems nuts that run if the mill stuff is so hard to get hold of.
With the shortage of components, the lack of grey imports is definitely keeping prices high.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
That’s about it. I’ve been having to trawl every obscure LBS I can locate recently, just to get really mundane bits, that are normally really easy to find, just about anywhere. For example, I tried to find new brake pads for one of my bikes, and all the normal go to web based suppliers were completely out of stock, with no idea when new stock would arrive, so I googled furiously, and found a really obscure LBS in Wolverhampton had them. It did make me smile when they turned up, as they had a price sticker on them, that looked like had come from one of those 1970s style price sticker guns. A super job from the LBS though, they turned up about 2 days after I ordered them.
Crazy times indeed.I wanted a pair of tyres last summer and had to buy the front from CRC and the rear from my LBS because nowhere seemed to have a matching pair in stock.
Brake pads seem crazily expensive too. Talking to my LBS, a pair of Shimano Saint pads RRP is now £46! That’s more than the bloody pads I’ve just fitted to my other half’s 125.
OP here
Vested interest in the thread is that best bike is 10y and despite there being nothing wrong with it I just fancied a change and was then shocked at the rapid inflation since I last looked, which wasnt that long ago
Fact is I took the bestie out this week in the sun and its still brilliant, for sure it needs some tlc (chain and cassette and tyres) but nothing major and the price to change to something similar is just crackers. By similar I mean a 10y newer frame which is prob worthwhile and 1 or 2 groupsets down the range which wont be besides having 11/12 speed over 10.
I honestly cant see things getting crazier over the next year although its possible the frenzy will die a little meaning Id get less for the current one SH but I'll take my chances.
Is it in any way possible that an Ultegra bike will be 6k next year ?
I cant see it................
Cheers
I bought a Pinnacle Arkose D3 last year. Brand new from Evans. £1350.
105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 22 April 23:26
TheJimi said:
I bought a Pinnacle Arkose D3 last year. Brand new from Evans. £1350.
105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
18-1900 quid, given the sorts of increases we’ve been witnessing of late, at a guess.105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 22 April 23:26
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
TheJimi said:
I bought a Pinnacle Arkose D3 last year. Brand new from Evans. £1350.
105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
18-1900 quid, given the sorts of increases we’ve been witnessing of late, at a guess.105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 22 April 23:26
flight147z said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
TheJimi said:
I bought a Pinnacle Arkose D3 last year. Brand new from Evans. £1350.
105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
18-1900 quid, given the sorts of increases we’ve been witnessing of late, at a guess.105 & Ultegra, 105 hydraulics and Praxis Alba crank / bb, carbon fork.
So just for fun, what would that same spec be now? No Pinnacle equivalent on Evans at the moment to compare.
Edit: £2-3K?! Surely not.
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 22 April 23:26
So, just to make it that bit more clear - the same spec and a half decent frame? Circa 18-1900 quid?
Interesting article on logistics challenges the industry faces https://road.cc/content/blog/pandemic-effect-how-o...
millen said:
Interesting article on logistics challenges the industry faces https://road.cc/content/blog/pandemic-effect-how-o...
Decent article, and nice opportunity for PR for Orbea.I'll be a little smug and point to my post on the 16th which essentially says exactly the same things - except I've actually gone into detail on the CoO stuff, which Orbea dude is completely misrepresenting (and putting zero detail on).
If Orbea dude wants to read it, he'll even see the suggestion for how to resolve it in a way that broadly means it's net neutral.
The question really is will the prices come down again? I can't see it. If people will keep ponying up the dough then there is no reason to think they will return to somethign sensible once covid / canal blocking supply issues are no longer an issue.
Its a shame really, for me the cost of a 105 equpped bike simply doesnt reflect good or even reasonable value anymore.. Speciallised Allez for 1250 or a Tiagra Scott Speedster for 1050? Big windows is all I can say.
I love cycling and I'm lucky that i don't need a new bike but TBH (even without the current challenges caused by covid etc )the cycling industry needs to take a long hard look at itself.
I may well be in a minority but every time i have to replace something, whether thats a component or clothing, I feel like I'm being taken for a mug, so these days i only buy what i absolutely need and no more.
For clarity i've no issue with businesses making profits and neither do I expect well made stuff to be dirt cheap (thats ridiculous) but its when it starts to feel like a con i start to feel aggrieved. Prices go up and quality for a lot of things keeps going down. (Decathlon are a prime example of this IMO).
Everyones point where they feel they are being turned over is if course different but I'm starting to find mine. It wont stop me from cycling but its shortsighted in the long run as people like myself won't spend as much money on bikes/components/clothing in the long term. All those extra jerseys or shoes you don't absolutely need (we all do it) different cassettes just to 'see how it works out' start to add up when a lot of people stop buying them.
Its a shame really, for me the cost of a 105 equpped bike simply doesnt reflect good or even reasonable value anymore.. Speciallised Allez for 1250 or a Tiagra Scott Speedster for 1050? Big windows is all I can say.
I love cycling and I'm lucky that i don't need a new bike but TBH (even without the current challenges caused by covid etc )the cycling industry needs to take a long hard look at itself.
I may well be in a minority but every time i have to replace something, whether thats a component or clothing, I feel like I'm being taken for a mug, so these days i only buy what i absolutely need and no more.
For clarity i've no issue with businesses making profits and neither do I expect well made stuff to be dirt cheap (thats ridiculous) but its when it starts to feel like a con i start to feel aggrieved. Prices go up and quality for a lot of things keeps going down. (Decathlon are a prime example of this IMO).
Everyones point where they feel they are being turned over is if course different but I'm starting to find mine. It wont stop me from cycling but its shortsighted in the long run as people like myself won't spend as much money on bikes/components/clothing in the long term. All those extra jerseys or shoes you don't absolutely need (we all do it) different cassettes just to 'see how it works out' start to add up when a lot of people stop buying them.
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