Cycling Without A Helmet Around a City...

Cycling Without A Helmet Around a City...

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okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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Its not luck, its the fact that very few falls are serious enough to require the helmet to save your life. You're underestimating how strong the skull is.

Anyway, I couldn't care less, as said above, there are a million and one ways to die.

Marty Funkhouser

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5,427 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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okgo said:
Its not luck, its the fact that very few falls are serious enough to require the helmet to save your life. You're underestimating how strong the skull is.

Anyway, I couldn't care less, as said above, there are a million and one ways to die.
Fair enough, good luck!

TEKNOPUG

18,974 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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The vast majority of cyclists I see on the roads wear completely ill-fitting helmets. Like little pork-pie hats perch on top of their heads. I can't imagine how they would offer the slightest bit of protection, other than if you were to somehow land head first, perfectly perpendicular to the road. Clearly some strange placbeo effect: "I am wearing a helmet (although totally ill-fitting and offering no protection) therefore I am fully protected". The full-head skater type helmets seem sensible but most people seem to wear head-gear that might as well be a bathing cap.

Garlick

40,601 posts

241 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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Marty Funkhouser said:
Why it isnt illegal is beyond me.
I wear a lid, but I truly hope that it never becomes a legal requirement. We should be allowed to make the choice as we see fit IMO.

sjg

7,454 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
other than if you were to somehow land head first, perfectly perpendicular to the road.
That's the only test that helmets are required to pass to get the EU (before that, CE) sticker. No requirement for front/side impact protection at all.

N Dentressangle

3,442 posts

223 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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In Germany a few weeks ago, it was interesting to see how few Germans bother with cycle helmets compared to Brits.

Loads more people cycle round towns in Germany, and the provision for them is far better. In a country which puts such a premium on safety, however, it was noticeable that ca 9 out of 10 cyclists did not bother with a helmet or any special gear at all.

I'm not a cyclist so have no axe to grind - are helmets a UK fad?

okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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sjg said:
TEKNOPUG said:
other than if you were to somehow land head first, perfectly perpendicular to the road.
That's the only test that helmets are required to pass to get the EU (before that, CE) sticker. No requirement for front/side impact protection at all.
and lets be honest, how often are you going to land on your head like you've just dived into the pavement?

Marty Funkhouser

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5,427 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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Garlick said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
Why it isnt illegal is beyond me.
I wear a lid, but I truly hope that it never becomes a legal requirement. We should be allowed to make the choice as we see fit IMO.
Fair enough. To be fair I didnt actually see any cyclist without a helmet (must have seen about 30) on the 15 min walk to work this morning....

okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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Marty Funkhouser said:
Garlick said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
Why it isnt illegal is beyond me.
I wear a lid, but I truly hope that it never becomes a legal requirement. We should be allowed to make the choice as we see fit IMO.
Fair enough. To be fair I didnt actually see any cyclist without a helmet (must have seen about 30) on the 15 min walk to work this morning....
Most do wear them.

however roadsense is far more important IMO than any helmet, and a lot of cyclists have very little of it.

Marty Funkhouser

Original Poster:

5,427 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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okgo said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
Garlick said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
Why it isnt illegal is beyond me.
I wear a lid, but I truly hope that it never becomes a legal requirement. We should be allowed to make the choice as we see fit IMO.
Fair enough. To be fair I didnt actually see any cyclist without a helmet (must have seen about 30) on the 15 min walk to work this morning....
Most do wear them.

however roadsense is far more important IMO than any helmet, and a lot of cyclists have very little of it.
True....dont get me started on the number of colour blind cyclists - ie their inability to see a red light...

sjg

7,454 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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N Dentressangle said:
I'm not a cyclist so have no axe to grind - are helmets a UK fad?
A US "fad", which made its way to the UK along with everything else. No coincidence that most of the helmet manufacturers are US-based (or US-originated) and have a vested interest in portraying cycling as being more dangerous than it is.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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DeputyDawg said:
itsnotarace said:
Whilst I always wear a helmet myself, I don't necessarily think it would offer much protection if I was run over, for example. Directly hitting my head on the pavement, yes. But to be honest if I come off my bike it will likely be at speed and I will slide on my side, where a helmet will not really do much.
What s dumbass thing to say. How can you predict how you are going to fall or fall into/onto what?
that's as much an argument against wearing one as for it.

I rode helmetless in London for years in my twenties and came off plenty of times without hitting my head. I wore a helmet on a charity cycle challenge in Turkey last summer, came off once and smacked my head hard on the ground hard enough to see stars.

Neither experience proves anything, nor can you show me any proof that helmets save lives.

okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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Marty Funkhouser said:
okgo said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
Garlick said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
Why it isnt illegal is beyond me.
I wear a lid, but I truly hope that it never becomes a legal requirement. We should be allowed to make the choice as we see fit IMO.
Fair enough. To be fair I didnt actually see any cyclist without a helmet (must have seen about 30) on the 15 min walk to work this morning....
Most do wear them.

however roadsense is far more important IMO than any helmet, and a lot of cyclists have very little of it.
True....dont get me started on the number of colour blind cyclists - ie their inability to see a red light...
Most of the time a red light is not an issue for a cyclist, I don't stop for them unless its a crossroads or a people crossing, I'll slow down, see where cars are coming from and then just carry on if its clear.

Cars and bikes fit in the same lane, two cars do not, stuff red lights.

Marty Funkhouser

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5,427 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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sjg said:
N Dentressangle said:
I'm not a cyclist so have no axe to grind - are helmets a UK fad?
A US "fad", which made its way to the UK along with everything else. No coincidence that most of the helmet manufacturers are US-based (or US-originated) and have a vested interest in portraying cycling as being more dangerous than it is.
Are you saying that helmets are unnecessary?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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I've came off bikes and was hit by cars quite a few times in my youth and never landed on my head.hehe

Like most people on here, I grew up on bikes never wearing a helmet. I only wear a helmet now because i've got dependents and somehow imagine i'm 'doing better by them' if I wear one. Nowadays most people seem to wear them though and I'm actually a bit surprised when I see people on the roads without them.

It's quite refreshing that there haven't been laws passed about wearing them.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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Marty Funkhouser said:
sjg said:
N Dentressangle said:
I'm not a cyclist so have no axe to grind - are helmets a UK fad?
A US "fad", which made its way to the UK along with everything else. No coincidence that most of the helmet manufacturers are US-based (or US-originated) and have a vested interest in portraying cycling as being more dangerous than it is.
Are you saying that helmets are unnecessary?
I've lived in a few countries where wearing a helmet on a bike is compulsory.

As an aside, In the states do you still not have to wear a helmet on a motorbike?

TEKNOPUG

18,974 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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okgo said:
Most of the time a red light is not an issue for a cyclist, I don't stop for them unless its a crossroads or a people crossing, I'll slow down, see where cars are coming from and then just carry on if its clear.

Cars and bikes fit in the same lane, two cars do not, stuff red lights.
Now that's proper Darwinism!

okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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How so? If there are no cars coming from the direction that is on green what possible reason apart from a legal aspect (which again I am not interested in) would I stop for?

Marty Funkhouser

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5,427 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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okgo said:
How so? If there are no cars coming from the direction that is on green what possible reason apart from a legal aspect (which again I am not interested in) would I stop for?
This is a case where the few (who breeze through lights like morons and dont look and then are bulldozed into eternity by the wheels of a lorry) are tainting the many. Not all cyclists are as conscientous as you say you are.

militantmandy

3,829 posts

187 months

Thursday 13th May 2010
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okgo said:
How so? If there are no cars coming from the direction that is on green what possible reason apart from a legal aspect (which again I am not interested in) would I stop for?
It's doing that which makes car drivers hate us cyclists. I will always stop at a red light......unless i'm totally pished and it's 3am hehe

Oh and for the record, I commute every day on the bike (last 7 years) and do not wear a helmet. I can see both arguments though and if I had a kid i'd probably tell them to wear one. When i'm downhilling I ALWAYS wear a full facer, but the likelyhood of leaving the bike head(face)first is exponentially higher than when on the road.