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Tyre warming banned for 2018 by MSA

Tyre warming banned for 2018 by MSA

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stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Monday 14th August
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This will shake up the drag racing world.


Flying Phil

587 posts

69 months

Monday 14th August
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Drag racing without burnouts......is not Drag Racing!

stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Monday 14th August
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It is certainly part of the spectacle and loved by the general public, but times change and drag racing will have to change with them or die.

Racers will quiclky learn to work within the new rules and true lovers of the sport will continue to enjoy it.

randlemarcus

11,208 posts

155 months

Monday 14th August
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Not familiar with MSA language, but surely that language means that any appeal based on the tyre temperature at the end of the run being higher than ambient must succeed?

stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Monday 14th August
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randlemarcus said:
Not familiar with MSA language, but surely that language means that any appeal based on the tyre temperature at the end of the run being higher than ambient must succeed?
We are not talking temperature increases when racing as this would make all racing illegal! This is just about heating tyres PRIOR to the run.
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eliot

7,726 posts

178 months

Monday 14th August
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Seems daft to me for Drag racing, as mentioned it's all part of the build up and spectacle especially for the top fuel cars.
Next they will mandate silencers because it's a bit loud..

stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Tuesday 15th August
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I'm guessing its an environmental rule and drag racing is just the worst affected as Sprints and Hill Climbs will be able to adapt a lot easier. We drag racers have a stark choice, either change with the times or die. I for one will change and have already discussed options with my engine/ECU/suspension gurus. With todays electronic wizardry I am sure we can manage on colder tyres.

randlemarcus

11,208 posts

155 months

Tuesday 15th August
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stevebroad said:
We are not talking temperature increases when racing as this would make all racing illegal! This is just about heating tyres PRIOR to the run.
Which is why I asked, because that's what that regulation actually says - it doesn't talk about timeframes.

I suppose the alternative is "legalese" which is far less open to interpretation.

clubracing

237 posts

130 months

Tuesday 15th August
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Surely the rule is intended to prevent the use of tyre blankets or tyre ovens for heating the tyres prior to the run? Just it's very poorly worded as is usually the case with the MSA.

SpamCan

4,970 posts

142 months

Tuesday 15th August
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clubracing said:
Surely the rule is intended to prevent the use of tyre blankets or tyre ovens for heating the tyres prior to the run? Just it's very poorly worded as is usually the case with the MSA.
That was my interpretation of the posted rule. Burnouts will continue in drag racing.

geeks

2,450 posts

63 months

Tuesday 15th August
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SpamCan said:
clubracing said:
Surely the rule is intended to prevent the use of tyre blankets or tyre ovens for heating the tyres prior to the run? Just it's very poorly worded as is usually the case with the MSA.
That was my interpretation of the posted rule.
I suspect it is just poorly worded however it does say "heating of tyres by any method" burnouts raise tyre temp and pressure.. One could perhaps then argue that you were not raising your temps but simply your pressures, not sure it will work like that though..

stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Tuesday 15th August
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clubracing said:
Surely the rule is intended to prevent the use of tyre blankets or tyre ovens for heating the tyres prior to the run? Just it's very poorly worded as is usually the case with the MSA.
Tyre blankets and ovens are not used in drag racing. This is, as it actually says, an environmental rule so will include burnouts as these raise the tyre temperature abnormally.

However, I have asked Santa Pod for their interpretation on the new rule and I am awaiting a response. Also spoke to MSA but the person dealing with this isn't back in the office until Thursday. The guy I spoke to promised to get back to me once he has spoken to them.

Edited by stevebroad on Tuesday 15th August 18:07

LWG95

58 posts

20 months

Tuesday 15th August
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Actually, the rule does not mention prior to a run, or indeed any time frame... One wonders if it will be applied to F1 ?

Also, it could be interpreted that a burnout is part and parcel of a performance run as an integral part of it.
One despair's at the political correctness/green fantasists of today's world in so many areas....

stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Tuesday 15th August
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LWG95 said:
Actually, the rule does not mention prior to a run, or indeed any time frame... One wonders if it will be applied to F1 ?

Also, it could be interpreted that a burnout is part and parcel of a performance run as an integral part of it.
One despair's at the political correctness/green fantasists of today's world in so many areas....
Doesn't need to, just bans any abnormal tyre warming for sprint, hill climbing and drag racing.

Burnout is indeed part of a drag race, but rules are rules. Burnouts weren't part of drag racing in the early 60s.

Hopefully I will find out on Thursday.

Burnouts are an obvious environmentally bad thing so I am not surprised that the MSA have been pressurised into this rule change.

DragTruck

8 posts

33 months

Tuesday 15th August
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To follow that argument to its conclusion, all motorsport is polluting. If we accept the thin edge of the wedge on this we are screwed.

Driving on slicks that have not been "heated" is pretty hairy, they are unpredictable and I would say dangerous.

Lets not forget that the MSA do not have a monopoly and there is another sanctioning body for Drag racing.

Yes, the IOPD could end up running the whole of British drag racing!

geeks

2,450 posts

63 months

Tuesday 15th August
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LWG95 said:
Actually, the rule does not mention prior to a run, or indeed any time frame... One wonders if it will be applied to F1 ?

Also, it could be interpreted that a burnout is part and parcel of a performance run as an integral part of it.
One despair's at the political correctness/green fantasists of today's world in so many areas....
Other than it not applying to circuit racing F1 is governed by the FIA not the MSA.

DragTruck said:
To follow that argument to its conclusion, all motorsport is polluting. If we accept the thin edge of the wedge on this we are screwed.

Driving on slicks that have not been "heated" is pretty hairy, they are unpredictable and I would say dangerous.

Lets not forget that the MSA do not have a monopoly and there is another sanctioning body for Drag racing.

Yes, the IOPD could end up running the whole of British drag racing!
God i hate hearing that "Thin end of the wedge" the same argument was made over HANS devices, still yet to hear anyone complain about having not suffered life changing injuries!

DragTruck

8 posts

33 months

Tuesday 15th August
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Please explain the thin end of the wedge argument as applied to HANS devices, I never heard that.

geeks

2,450 posts

63 months

Tuesday 15th August
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DragTruck said:
Please explain the thin end of the wedge argument as applied to HANS devices, I never heard that.
There was a reasonable sized thread on here when he regulation was introduced at the same time they lifed belts, you would think the MSA were bumming peoples dogs or something i will see if i can dig it out

DragTruck

8 posts

33 months

Tuesday 15th August
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What may not be obvious to non racers is that the slicks are designed to be heated to operate safely and optimally.

If burnouts are not allowed it fundamentally changes the sport. This rule has been created by someone without that understanding.


stevebroad

Original Poster:

261 posts

160 months

Tuesday 15th August
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DragTruck said:
If burnouts are not allowed it fundamentally changes the sport. This rule has been created by someone without that understanding.
Either that, or the environmental pressures outweigh the effect on the sport. Hopefully I will find out on Thursday.