No more 7s? tyre change rule in STREET ELIM ?

No more 7s? tyre change rule in STREET ELIM ?

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Furyous

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23,609 posts

221 months

Wednesday 15th November 2006
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I see the SE boys have booted out drag radials.

Will that be the end of the super quick times ?

Frosty ?

Anyone ?

F

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

211 months

Wednesday 15th November 2006
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given Splinter has run 8.0s in his current car on treads, Steve Pateman and Colin Lazenby into 8.1s I think we'll still see 7's, wouldnt expect Andy Frost's times at Euro Finals to be touched though

Benni

3,515 posts

211 months

Wednesday 15th November 2006
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Treads ?
To my knowledge, the Mickey Thompson Drag Radials that were subject of discussion
have treads, and MOT approval,
so they are street legal (in the US, I don´t know about their allowance on UK roads though).
Could anyone involved give any more reasons for outlawing them ?
(If this is possible to tell to the outside,
I don´t want to stir up potential/already solved trouble)
Thanks,
Benni

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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guys,i'll just direct you to this thread on the UK streetracers site,because i don't fancy writing it all out again.This should explain a little that went on....
www.ukstreetracers.co.uk/msgforum/viewtopic.php?t=3359&start=0
I have to say that this decision to ban the tyre had nothing at all to do with the tyre,and everything to do with a few racers personal feelings against it,but unlike last year when the radial was voted in and a couple of racers wouldn't accept the vote,we do accept it,and even though the decision is ridiculous we have to go with majority vote.For sure it is a HUGE backward step for a class that portrays it self as "a class that always moves forward".Trouble is a few of the racers are stuck in 1996,citing that "the class is built on 11 year old rules" but then allowing any modern engine,power adder,EFI....suffice to say that as rules changes go you won't find a more selfish and stupid decision anywhere in the world in street legal racing......
as for times expect most to go backwards,and some of us to go forwards regardless of the tyre we use.......
post your comments if you have any.....
and yes,the tyre is not only MOT legal in the UK,it's SVA legal too,and safer on the track and the road than the MT sportsman pro........







Edited by redvictor on Thursday 16th November 01:18

flying toilet

3,621 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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I thought the block treads were only speed rated to 180mph?

Surely its dangerous to run over that limit?

The future of SE is bleak im afraid and all so one or two people dont get left behind..

I thought the essense of street racing balls out how fast you can go not let someone lay the gauntlet down and then take his tools away...

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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flying toilet said:
I thought the block treads were only speed rated to 180mph?

Surely its dangerous to run over that limit?

The future of SE is bleak im afraid and all so one or two people dont get left behind..

I thought the essense of street racing balls out how fast you can go not let someone lay the gauntlet down and then take his tools away...

you have it in a nutshell..... and the MT sportsman pro is LT rated....which means it's rated to 85mph.Granted that was a tax fiddle in the USA but take it to an SVA test or get a tug from the law and they look at the engine,then look at the tyre....oh dear..

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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does seem daft to me, if its legal for road use then whats the problem? especially if its actually a safer tyre, and it helps the class progress forwards as the fastest street cars in the world surely reverting to the block treads hinders this

BennettRacing

729 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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was it the slower cars that kicked up the fuss?

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Safety should have been the most important factor in this argument. It appears that it wasn't! rolleyes

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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MotorPsycho said:
does seem daft to me, if its legal for road use then whats the problem? especially if its actually a safer tyre, and it helps the class progress forwards as the fastest street cars in the world surely reverting to the block treads hinders this

it's my feeling too.Apparently the class doesn't want to progress,in fact some openly admitted it at the meeting..??????

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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BennettRacing said:
was it the slower cars that kicked up the fuss?

unbelievably no...it was 3 of the fastest ones..
Yep,i'm at a loss too....

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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NitroWars said:
Safety should have been the most important factor in this argument. It appears that it wasn't! rolleyes

you have that right....again i'll say that it wasn't about the tyre,it was about personal opinions....when that happens you know it's downhill form there...

BennettRacing

729 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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redvictor said:
BennettRacing said:
was it the slower cars that kicked up the fuss?

unbelievably no...it was 3 of the fastest ones..
Yep,i'm at a loss too....


This is just wrong, surely rule changes should be about safety, being innovative and most of all going faster? We are in the sport of drag racing and its my understanding that you try and run as fast as the car can? Why would they want to slow it down or potentially make the car dangerous to run in? Are the tyres still available to buy, is it cos they cant get hold of them for next year or something.

Very Odd

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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BennettRacing said:
redvictor said:
BennettRacing said:
was it the slower cars that kicked up the fuss?

unbelievably no...it was 3 of the fastest ones..
Yep,i'm at a loss too....


This is just wrong, surely rule changes should be about safety, being innovative and most of all going faster? We are in the sport of drag racing and its my understanding that you try and run as fast as the car can? Why would they want to slow it down or potentially make the car dangerous to run in? Are the tyres still available to buy, is it cos they cant get hold of them for next year or something.

Very Odd

why would you indeed...... tyres are plentiful...
don't try to make any sense out of it because you couldn't... heads up and slower doesn't go together anywhere....

flying toilet

3,621 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Might as well make it a 8 - 10 second dial your own and run a sportsman tree. That way some of the scared ones may keep up. The end of real street racing has arrived. Why did the leaders want to change? Cause they run blocks and are scared of change?

redvictor

3,152 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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flying toilet said:
Why did the leaders want to change? Cause they run blocks and are scared of change?

i guess 1 of the reasons is because they are stuck in 1995 when the rules were first set.Maybe they forgot that if the MT drag radial was about at that time it would have been included too....
If drag racing wasn't about utilising current technology to progress then fuelers would still be running 392 hemis and pie crust slicks...
the other reason is that instead of making their own stuff work better they'd rather slow people down......
Don't forget though everyone had an option to run the tyre and go faster,and you'd have thought that in a class made around going fast they'd have chosen that option.
It's a real shame that 3 racers can affect a class with 35 racers in this way.But when you rig a vote in the way they did then it doesn't stand a chance....


bigmouse

197 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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I would reiterate what Andy has already said in his initial post; that it was a majority decision to outlaw them and that we all agreed that we would stick with the decision howsoever it was determined, and while its true that some of us thought it the wrong decision, we will abide by it.

Regardless of what else is said the majority of drivers recognise that the tyre was legal for 2006 and any records or championships set during that period stand as recorded.

It was apparent that some racers believed that the slower cars would pull out of SE if the quicker cars were to go quicker on MT drag radials and thus widen the gap between the front runners and the back markers; this maybe true but its also fair to say that those same cars could also pull out if the quicker cars go faster on Sportsman Pros or bicycle tyres!!

Safety on or off the track didn't seem to be an issue; during the cruise at the National Finals, the racers endured some of the foulest weather ever encountered on a cruise; other than some of the cars having questionable wiper motors all of the cars passed the cruise; evidence that the tyres behave well in the wet at the road speeds adopted at the time, which were the worst conditions any sensible racer was ever likely to drive them in. Their track safety record is well documented.

It was a majority decision, rightly or wrongly. Nuff said.



Edited by bigmouse on Thursday 16th November 17:02

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Ray, I think you should read my post again as I think you may have misinterpreted it.

prostang

127 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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andy said
If drag racing wasn't about utilising current technology to progress then fuelers would still be running 392 hemis and pie crust slicks...

but not allways the case or pro stock would be using fuel injection and traction control, there not allowed so they can keep costs and speed down

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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yea top fuel have rev limiters to keep speeds down and reduce costs, yet it end up costing more becuase theyre destroying motors, one per round in some cases

if its a street legal, MOT, whatever approved tyre it should be allowed in SE in my opinion

as a fan of the class its dissappointing to see next year was looking so promising with new combos coming into their own and new cars for next year records would drop