No more 7s? tyre change rule in STREET ELIM ?
Discussion
Treads ?
To my knowledge, the Mickey Thompson Drag Radials that were subject of discussion
have treads, and MOT approval,
so they are street legal (in the US, I don´t know about their allowance on UK roads though).
Could anyone involved give any more reasons for outlawing them ?
(If this is possible to tell to the outside,
I don´t want to stir up potential/already solved trouble)
Thanks,
Benni
To my knowledge, the Mickey Thompson Drag Radials that were subject of discussion
have treads, and MOT approval,
so they are street legal (in the US, I don´t know about their allowance on UK roads though).
Could anyone involved give any more reasons for outlawing them ?
(If this is possible to tell to the outside,
I don´t want to stir up potential/already solved trouble)
Thanks,
Benni
guys,i'll just direct you to this thread on the UK streetracers site,because i don't fancy writing it all out again.This should explain a little that went on....
www.ukstreetracers.co.uk/msgforum/viewtopic.php?t=3359&start=0
I have to say that this decision to ban the tyre had nothing at all to do with the tyre,and everything to do with a few racers personal feelings against it,but unlike last year when the radial was voted in and a couple of racers wouldn't accept the vote,we do accept it,and even though the decision is ridiculous we have to go with majority vote.For sure it is a HUGE backward step for a class that portrays it self as "a class that always moves forward".Trouble is a few of the racers are stuck in 1996,citing that "the class is built on 11 year old rules" but then allowing any modern engine,power adder,EFI....suffice to say that as rules changes go you won't find a more selfish and stupid decision anywhere in the world in street legal racing......
as for times expect most to go backwards,and some of us to go forwards regardless of the tyre we use.......
post your comments if you have any.....
and yes,the tyre is not only MOT legal in the UK,it's SVA legal too,and safer on the track and the road than the MT sportsman pro........
www.ukstreetracers.co.uk/msgforum/viewtopic.php?t=3359&start=0
I have to say that this decision to ban the tyre had nothing at all to do with the tyre,and everything to do with a few racers personal feelings against it,but unlike last year when the radial was voted in and a couple of racers wouldn't accept the vote,we do accept it,and even though the decision is ridiculous we have to go with majority vote.For sure it is a HUGE backward step for a class that portrays it self as "a class that always moves forward".Trouble is a few of the racers are stuck in 1996,citing that "the class is built on 11 year old rules" but then allowing any modern engine,power adder,EFI....suffice to say that as rules changes go you won't find a more selfish and stupid decision anywhere in the world in street legal racing......
as for times expect most to go backwards,and some of us to go forwards regardless of the tyre we use.......
post your comments if you have any.....
and yes,the tyre is not only MOT legal in the UK,it's SVA legal too,and safer on the track and the road than the MT sportsman pro........
Edited by redvictor on Thursday 16th November 01:18
I thought the block treads were only speed rated to 180mph?
Surely its dangerous to run over that limit?
The future of SE is bleak im afraid and all so one or two people dont get left behind..
I thought the essense of street racing balls out how fast you can go not let someone lay the gauntlet down and then take his tools away...
Surely its dangerous to run over that limit?
The future of SE is bleak im afraid and all so one or two people dont get left behind..
I thought the essense of street racing balls out how fast you can go not let someone lay the gauntlet down and then take his tools away...
flying toilet said:
I thought the block treads were only speed rated to 180mph?
Surely its dangerous to run over that limit?
The future of SE is bleak im afraid and all so one or two people dont get left behind..
I thought the essense of street racing balls out how fast you can go not let someone lay the gauntlet down and then take his tools away...
Surely its dangerous to run over that limit?
The future of SE is bleak im afraid and all so one or two people dont get left behind..
I thought the essense of street racing balls out how fast you can go not let someone lay the gauntlet down and then take his tools away...
you have it in a nutshell..... and the MT sportsman pro is LT rated....which means it's rated to 85mph.Granted that was a tax fiddle in the USA but take it to an SVA test or get a tug from the law and they look at the engine,then look at the tyre....oh dear..
MotorPsycho said:
does seem daft to me, if its legal for road use then whats the problem? especially if its actually a safer tyre, and it helps the class progress forwards as the fastest street cars in the world surely reverting to the block treads hinders this
it's my feeling too.Apparently the class doesn't want to progress,in fact some openly admitted it at the meeting..??????
redvictor said:
BennettRacing said:
was it the slower cars that kicked up the fuss?
unbelievably no...it was 3 of the fastest ones..
Yep,i'm at a loss too....
This is just wrong, surely rule changes should be about safety, being innovative and most of all going faster? We are in the sport of drag racing and its my understanding that you try and run as fast as the car can? Why would they want to slow it down or potentially make the car dangerous to run in? Are the tyres still available to buy, is it cos they cant get hold of them for next year or something.
Very Odd
BennettRacing said:
redvictor said:
BennettRacing said:
was it the slower cars that kicked up the fuss?
unbelievably no...it was 3 of the fastest ones..
Yep,i'm at a loss too....
This is just wrong, surely rule changes should be about safety, being innovative and most of all going faster? We are in the sport of drag racing and its my understanding that you try and run as fast as the car can? Why would they want to slow it down or potentially make the car dangerous to run in? Are the tyres still available to buy, is it cos they cant get hold of them for next year or something.
Very Odd
why would you indeed...... tyres are plentiful...
don't try to make any sense out of it because you couldn't... heads up and slower doesn't go together anywhere....
flying toilet said:
Why did the leaders want to change? Cause they run blocks and are scared of change?
i guess 1 of the reasons is because they are stuck in 1995 when the rules were first set.Maybe they forgot that if the MT drag radial was about at that time it would have been included too....
If drag racing wasn't about utilising current technology to progress then fuelers would still be running 392 hemis and pie crust slicks...
the other reason is that instead of making their own stuff work better they'd rather slow people down......
Don't forget though everyone had an option to run the tyre and go faster,and you'd have thought that in a class made around going fast they'd have chosen that option.
It's a real shame that 3 racers can affect a class with 35 racers in this way.But when you rig a vote in the way they did then it doesn't stand a chance....
I would reiterate what Andy has already said in his initial post; that it was a majority decision to outlaw them and that we all agreed that we would stick with the decision howsoever it was determined, and while its true that some of us thought it the wrong decision, we will abide by it.
Regardless of what else is said the majority of drivers recognise that the tyre was legal for 2006 and any records or championships set during that period stand as recorded.
It was apparent that some racers believed that the slower cars would pull out of SE if the quicker cars were to go quicker on MT drag radials and thus widen the gap between the front runners and the back markers; this maybe true but its also fair to say that those same cars could also pull out if the quicker cars go faster on Sportsman Pros or bicycle tyres!!
Safety on or off the track didn't seem to be an issue; during the cruise at the National Finals, the racers endured some of the foulest weather ever encountered on a cruise; other than some of the cars having questionable wiper motors all of the cars passed the cruise; evidence that the tyres behave well in the wet at the road speeds adopted at the time, which were the worst conditions any sensible racer was ever likely to drive them in. Their track safety record is well documented.
It was a majority decision, rightly or wrongly. Nuff said.
Regardless of what else is said the majority of drivers recognise that the tyre was legal for 2006 and any records or championships set during that period stand as recorded.
It was apparent that some racers believed that the slower cars would pull out of SE if the quicker cars were to go quicker on MT drag radials and thus widen the gap between the front runners and the back markers; this maybe true but its also fair to say that those same cars could also pull out if the quicker cars go faster on Sportsman Pros or bicycle tyres!!
Safety on or off the track didn't seem to be an issue; during the cruise at the National Finals, the racers endured some of the foulest weather ever encountered on a cruise; other than some of the cars having questionable wiper motors all of the cars passed the cruise; evidence that the tyres behave well in the wet at the road speeds adopted at the time, which were the worst conditions any sensible racer was ever likely to drive them in. Their track safety record is well documented.
It was a majority decision, rightly or wrongly. Nuff said.
Edited by bigmouse on Thursday 16th November 17:02
andy said
If drag racing wasn't about utilising current technology to progress then fuelers would still be running 392 hemis and pie crust slicks...
but not allways the case or pro stock would be using fuel injection and traction control, there not allowed so they can keep costs and speed down
If drag racing wasn't about utilising current technology to progress then fuelers would still be running 392 hemis and pie crust slicks...
but not allways the case or pro stock would be using fuel injection and traction control, there not allowed so they can keep costs and speed down
yea top fuel have rev limiters to keep speeds down and reduce costs, yet it end up costing more becuase theyre destroying motors, one per round in some cases
if its a street legal, MOT, whatever approved tyre it should be allowed in SE in my opinion
as a fan of the class its dissappointing to see next year was looking so promising with new combos coming into their own and new cars for next year records would drop
if its a street legal, MOT, whatever approved tyre it should be allowed in SE in my opinion
as a fan of the class its dissappointing to see next year was looking so promising with new combos coming into their own and new cars for next year records would drop
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