No more 7s? tyre change rule in STREET ELIM ?

[prostang]

then you would be back to hoosier dot cheats, high 6 sec runs and no one in the class could afford to run, there has to be a line drawn somewere. providing its safe

[bigmouse]

prostang said:

then you would be back to hoosier dot cheats, high 6 sec runs and no one in the class could afford to run, there has to be a line drawn somewere. providing its safe

No, we wouldn't. There was no question of allowing dot cheats in although in fairness it was suggested by one racer that 'logically' if we allowed in the MT drag radials then any dot tyre upto and including slicks should be allowed. No, I couldn't see the logic either.

Without getting into a long winded and very boring story, the MT drag radial was allowed into the class by Dale Reardon, in his capacity of class organiser, when I was unable to purchase BFG drag radials due to production problems. Dale was asked whether I could use MT's instead of BFG's. He considered it, looked at the tyres and made the decision. No back door shenanigans, no underhanded tactics. I came out on the tyres at the August meet at Shakey, Wilf Stacey was also using them.

Its interesting to note here, that at no time during the 2005 season or since has any official challenge been made against the tyres under Street Eliminator rules. Go figure.

A line was drawn; the MT DR'd were limited to 315's.

As for no-one in the class being able to afford to run, what do you think it costs already to compete against twin turbos, pro mod 706's, full chrome moly tubes cars, unlimited engine size etc etc. The time for moderation has been and gone.

Edited by bigmouse on Thursday 16th November 21:05

[bigmouse]

NitroWars said:

Ray, I think you should read my post again as I think you may have misinterpreted it.

Didn't misinterpret it mate, I agree with you. That was my polite way of saying the safety of the tyres wasn't the main point of interest

[Miss Corrado]

Where has the fun in racing gone?

Why does there have to be so much red tape and politics. *sigh*

[NitroWars]

bigmouse said:

Safety on or off the track didn't seem to be an issue; during the cruise at the National Finals, the racers endured some of the foulest weather ever encountered on a cruise; other than some of the cars having questionable wiper motors all of the cars passed the cruise; evidence that the tyres behave well in the wet at the road speeds adopted at the time, which were the worst conditions any sensible racer was ever likely to drive them in. Their track safety record is well documented.

My thoughts were with regard to the safety on the cruise by the block tread tyres, which seem to hold the water more and therefore the cars aquaplane. You seem to think (I interpret what you have typed) that I was questioniing the safety of the DRs. Whatever, it appears that we agree...

[bigmouse]

NitroWars said:

bigmouse said:

Safety on or off the track didn't seem to be an issue; during the cruise at the National Finals, the racers endured some of the foulest weather ever encountered on a cruise; other than some of the cars having questionable wiper motors all of the cars passed the cruise; evidence that the tyres behave well in the wet at the road speeds adopted at the time, which were the worst conditions any sensible racer was ever likely to drive them in. Their track safety record is well documented.

My thoughts were with regard to the safety on the cruise by the block tread tyres, which seem to hold the water more and therefore the cars aquaplane. You seem to think (I interpret what you have typed) that I was questioniing the safety of the DRs. Whatever, it appears that we agree...

Ah, perhaps I did misinterpret your point, but as you say, we came to the same conclusion albeit from different directions

Edited by bigmouse on Friday 17th November 09:28

[Lee@LA]

I understand the S/E rules state Hoosier quick times, BF goodrich and Mickey Thompson sportsman pro plus E marked tyres can only be used.

With banning the MT street radial does this mean the following are banned as well.

Dunlop drag radial
Goodyear drag radial
Nitto drag radial
M & H drag radial

[redvictor]

Lee@LA said:

I understand the S/E rules state Hoosier quick times, BF goodrich and Mickey Thompson sportsman pro plus E marked tyres can only be used.

With banning the MT street radial does this mean the following are banned as well.

Dunlop drag radial
Goodyear drag radial
Nitto drag radial
M & H drag radial

in essence yes....... even though a couple of those tyres have block treads....

[bigmouse]

Lee@LA said:

I understand the S/E rules state Hoosier quick times, BF goodrich and Mickey Thompson sportsman pro plus E marked tyres can only be used.

With banning the MT street radial does this mean the following are banned as well.

Dunlop drag radial
Goodyear drag radial
Nitto drag radial
M & H drag radial

They've not been banned, they're just not on the list of allowed tyres nor have they ever been as far as I know. The MT's were on the list of allowed tyres and now they're not.

If a driver wanted to run any of those tyres presumably he would need to put it forward at the next AGM for the class to vote on. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with any of them but it would be down to a class vote again.

[Furyous]

Hmmm, Ive read all this and the threads on SRS.

Still cant understand why the tyres banned.

SE is about road legal fast cars...end of.

Isnt the arguement against them the same kind of thinking that held back pro stock in the uk ? One guy at a meeting said...you know..a Lenco's a bloody expensive gearbox you know.

I think its a shame that the true ethos of the class wont let it develop.The point regarding costs is stupid, we all know how much the top boys have invested, and if I was the likes of anyone with 7 sec potential, it would frustrate the shit out of me to use an inferior tyre.
Problem is there is only one SE class to run in.....

Andy, how are you going to feel sat on the start line with MT's under the tubs as oppossed to drag radials? When all you're chasing is the clock, knowing the boots in the arches ARE GOING to cost you time, how do you maintain enthusiasm ?

Surely the temptation must be there to say screw SE , Im going for slicks and 6's ?

Tis a turning point for SE, which is prob one of the most popular classes out there I think.

F

[redvictor]

Furyous said:

Hmmm, Ive read all this and the threads on SRS.

Still cant understand why the tyres banned.

SE is about road legal fast cars...end of.

Isnt the arguement against them the same kind of thinking that held back pro stock in the uk ? One guy at a meeting said...you know..a Lenco's a bloody expensive gearbox you know.

I think its a shame that the true ethos of the class wont let it develop.The point regarding costs is stupid, we all know how much the top boys have invested, and if I was the likes of anyone with 7 sec potential, it would frustrate the shit out of me to use an inferior tyre.
Problem is there is only one SE class to run in.....

Andy, how are you going to feel sat on the start line with MT's under the tubs as oppossed to drag radials? When all you're chasing is the clock, knowing the boots in the arches ARE GOING to cost you time, how do you maintain enthusiasm ?

Surely the temptation must be there to say screw SE , Im going for slicks and 6's ?

Tis a turning point for SE, which is prob one of the most popular classes out there I think.

F

i'll have drag radials on...bfg drag radials.To be honest i've always had tyres on that would cost me time,because i've always run the new car as street legal.Slicks don't interest me at all at the moment.Street legal is what makes the car interesting to a lot of people.Put slicks on and it's just another race car...
The temptation for me at the moment is to say screw S/E anyway as i have alist as long as your arm of other things to do....but as the car was built for the class i'll give it a go next year.If i feel it's not interesting me anymore then i'll cut out of it,which would probably please a few...

[Furyous]

Poxy bloody politics screwing uk dr again. FFS !

I still havnt seen a reasoned arguement for banning mt's.

Surely if the rules are set, you either play by them or leave ? not try and change them to your advantage ?

Would be a great shame if you left the sport Andy, you've prob done more single handedly to raise the sport/Class's profile over the years.

'Sides which, after all the work last year, you've gotta develope the Victor to its new heights.

F

[MotorPsycho]

Furyous said:

I still havnt seen a reasoned arguement for banning mt's.
F

from what I've read, there isn't one

[redvictor]

Furyous said:

Poxy bloody politics screwing uk dr again. FFS !

I still havnt seen a reasoned arguement for banning mt's.

Surely if the rules are set, you either play by them or leave ? not try and change them to your advantage ?

Would be a great shame if you left the sport Andy, you've prob done more single handedly to raise the sport/Class's profile over the years.

'Sides which, after all the work last year, you've gotta develope the Victor to its new heights.

F

Thanks F,appreciate what you have said there..... Don't worry,i will be devloping the car next year wether i'm in S/E or not,because i don't need to be in that class to be the worlds fastest on pump gas.
Don't get me wrong,i have loved racing in S/E for 11 years but it's supposed to be an enjoyable hobby,and at this point in time it's not enjoyable.Interesting enough some people think that what i said in 2005 about the radial must stay forever.Yes i was against the tyre in the beginning(2 years ago),but things move on and changes happen.I like to think i have moved with the times.Some people don't want to and that's their god given right,but what they forgot is their opinion is affecting many more than themselves...
For me now the subject is done.Things aren't going to change and i'm going to deal with it in my own way,which means that my posting on this subject is over....of course you are all welcome to keep posting your opinions.Thanks you all for your support..ANDY..