How fun is a Civic Type R?
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As an owner of the earlier phase type r , i can honestly say it allways puts a smile on my face, as for the steering its not as weighted as others...but you get used to it.
Its certainly very responsive and quick even pre vtec.
It corners nicely, grips very well and gives the impression of a very capable car.
Take it for a good drive and see for yourself.
Its certainly very responsive and quick even pre vtec.
It corners nicely, grips very well and gives the impression of a very capable car.
Take it for a good drive and see for yourself.
Just had the geometry done on mine by ABP. I can't praise it or them enough now. The steering has the same feel as every other car (used to be crap) overall grip is increased and the front end grip is astonishing to the point where I simply CAN'T get it to understeer now, the rear starts to slide first and makes it so controllable
The car used to be slated for having a chassis that was out of it's depth deploying 200 brake (EVO comments), not anymore.
Just wondering whether lowering the car is the next phase to get the centre of gravity down and make it feel absolutely planted.
Great car, get one
The car used to be slated for having a chassis that was out of it's depth deploying 200 brake (EVO comments), not anymore.
Just wondering whether lowering the car is the next phase to get the centre of gravity down and make it feel absolutely planted.
Great car, get one
When I used to own a CTR (MK2) a friend had a CTR (MK1) and that was lowered not too drastically. His would crash and bounce all of the place when pushing on, now I don't know if this was the difference between the suspension work that happened for the MK2 release or his wasn't set-up very well but it wasn't pleasant to say the least.
I would get some advice from the UK CTR forum before doing anything else. They have already made all of the mistakes!
I would get some advice from the UK CTR forum before doing anything else. They have already made all of the mistakes!
joesnow said:
My itr is featured here www.autojournals.com
That looks like a dire site which doesn't give you the hyperlink suffices...so we've NO idea where to go to see your car. Maybe if you provided a few navigation links from the front page...
sato said:
While I keep getting tempted by stupid impractical cars, a breadvan Type R fulfills my needs without being neither ruinous, nor plain daft.
I could live with the all or nothing engine, and the piece of cheese shape, but am concerned about Evo's 'duff steering' comment. I value 'handling' above 'road holding', so should I even bother with a test drive (I did n't get on with a Clio 197 much because of this)? And is the steering bad compared to say a Clio 182, or softer cars such as say a Focus as well?
Thanks
Had one of these for 2 years. Absolutely ragged the living sh*t out of it during that time. This included 25 concective laps of the Neurburgring in a day and a blast down to Le Mans with 3 adults, packed to the roof with beer / tent and was happy to sit there at 147 (GPS). I could live with the all or nothing engine, and the piece of cheese shape, but am concerned about Evo's 'duff steering' comment. I value 'handling' above 'road holding', so should I even bother with a test drive (I did n't get on with a Clio 197 much because of this)? And is the steering bad compared to say a Clio 182, or softer cars such as say a Focus as well?
Thanks
The car is an awful lot of fun, extremely practical, totally reliable and incredible value for money. Okay so the steering's not 100%, but a FWD car never will be.
Great, Great car - Lots of fun. Buy one
PS. At a Pistonhead track day at Folembray I won a prize for "endurance lapping". I stayed out for 1hr 15 mins until I needed more petrol. Ted commented he'd never seen anyone try to kill a car like that before.
GREAT little screamer! havoc said:
joesnow said:
My itr is featured here www.autojournals.com
That looks like a dire site which doesn't give you the hyperlink suffices...so we've NO idea where to go to see your car. Maybe if you provided a few navigation links from the front page...
Opps, very sorry - its www.auto-journals.com
also the honda journals are here: www.auto-journals.com/content/j_honda.html
Edited by joesnow on Wednesday 6th December 13:21
pikey said:
sato said:
While I keep getting tempted by stupid impractical cars, a breadvan Type R fulfills my needs without being neither ruinous, nor plain daft.
I could live with the all or nothing engine, and the piece of cheese shape, but am concerned about Evo's 'duff steering' comment. I value 'handling' above 'road holding', so should I even bother with a test drive (I did n't get on with a Clio 197 much because of this)? And is the steering bad compared to say a Clio 182, or softer cars such as say a Focus as well?
Thanks
Had one of these for 2 years. Absolutely ragged the living sh*t out of it during that time. This included 25 concective laps of the Neurburgring in a day and a blast down to Le Mans with 3 adults, packed to the roof with beer / tent and was happy to sit there at 147 (GPS). I could live with the all or nothing engine, and the piece of cheese shape, but am concerned about Evo's 'duff steering' comment. I value 'handling' above 'road holding', so should I even bother with a test drive (I did n't get on with a Clio 197 much because of this)? And is the steering bad compared to say a Clio 182, or softer cars such as say a Focus as well?
Thanks
The car is an awful lot of fun, extremely practical, totally reliable and incredible value for money. Okay so the steering's not 100%, but a FWD car never will be.
Great, Great car - Lots of fun. Buy one
PS. At a Pistonhead track day at Folembray I won a prize for "endurance lapping". I stayed out for 1hr 15 mins until I needed more petrol. Ted commented he'd never seen anyone try to kill a car like that before.
GREAT little screamer! Good post and very similar to how I used to drive mine!
Friends used to comment that they never heard the car out of V-TEC whenever they saw me.
Going against the grain as well, I quite liked the steering once I got used to the feel. I remember when I first drove it and thought my god this feels strange but if I stuck with it and found it was quite communicative.
The V-TEC zone is very addictive! the noise, punch and energy involved always made me smile.
As it's kind of relevant... pics of that event here www.pikeynet.com/02/04/05/folembray.htm Also at the bottom of the second page there I ramble a bit about the car. Straight after that track weekend I took it down to a ski resort - very very fast.
For the price, nothing else comes close.
For the price, nothing else comes close.
**Puts flame suit on**
The new mini looks like something that has escaped from Noddy. They are quite a nice drive but I hate the interior and dials, also the engine/gearbox isn't half the good of the CTR's.
I guess its just horses for courses though as some people don't like the looks or the steering of the CTR.
The new mini looks like something that has escaped from Noddy. They are quite a nice drive but I hate the interior and dials, also the engine/gearbox isn't half the good of the CTR's.
I guess its just horses for courses though as some people don't like the looks or the steering of the CTR.
Edited by __LEE__ on Wednesday 6th December 15:08
sato said:
__LEE__ said:
Friends used to comment that they never heard the car out of V-TEC whenever they saw me.
More out of interest than being a particular concern, but how did the fuel consumption suffer when V-TECing?
The fuel consumption falls through the floor when on V-TEC. My worst being I put £45 in the car and did <140 miles. The average with my very aggresive driving style was around 170-190 miles per 45 pounds worth of petrol. There was obviously some points when I was thrashing the car i.e. in built up areas, but where I live there are lots of good places for going for it!
When I used to drive a bit more sensibly (after I clocked up 9 points!), I used to manage around 230+ miles on the same amount of fuel.
Another thing to factor in is tyre costs as the CTR eats them! I managed 7000 miles on the front sets but the next set lasted 12,000 miles.
The standard fronts are terrible in the wet. I switched to Toyo's and never looked back.
__LEE__ said:
The fuel consumption falls through the floor when on V-TEC. My worst being I put £45 in the car and did <140 miles. The average with my very aggresive driving style was around 170-190 miles per 45 pounds worth of petrol. There was obviously some points when I was thrashing the car i.e. in built up areas, but where I live there are lots of good places for going for it!
When I used to drive a bit more sensibly (after I clocked up 9 points!), I used to manage around 230+ miles on the same amount of fuel.
Another thing to factor in is tyre costs as the CTR eats them! I managed 7000 miles on the front sets but the next set lasted 12,000 miles.
When I used to drive a bit more sensibly (after I clocked up 9 points!), I used to manage around 230+ miles on the same amount of fuel.
Another thing to factor in is tyre costs as the CTR eats them! I managed 7000 miles on the front sets but the next set lasted 12,000 miles.
£45 is > 10 gallons. That's about 13mpg!?!?! And an average of 16-18mpg on enthusiastic driving?!?!? And 22-23mpg at best?
Does your right foot not MOVE from the throttle?!? In 3+ years driving the 'teg (pretty hard!) the ONLY time I dropped below 25mpg on a tank was on-track, and even there I managed (the one time I checked) a 17mpg average of 'at track 100+ miles, drive home 40 miles from Donny'. Best tank I got was 35mpg, and it only dropped below 30mpg on a REALLY fun drive, and after the cam-belt change (where I'm convinced, but can't prove, the numpty independent bent a valve then fitted the wrong-thickness headgasket putting it right).
Hell, an enthusiastic thrash top-down in the S2000 hasn't yet resulted in anything sub-24mpg (best roof-up of 31mpg), and that's heavier with worse aero (top-down anyway) than the CTR!
Tyres...yep, that sort of suggests you lack any 'mental traction control'. Even on a CTR you should be seeing 9-10k from the fronts.
Lol what can I say, I drove it in the true Type-R fashion!
In my defence your honor there was some track work with the first set of tyres.
I just loved the sound and rush on V-TEC, combine that with a fabulous gear box, chassis and brakes and you have a car that doesn't want to go slow.
Previously I had an Astra Turbo and I never felt the same urge to go flat out in that as I did with the CTR. The CTR just loves to go flat out, where as with the Astra I just felt bad for abusing it....
On my old trips to work and back there was a variety of country roads, dual carridgeway's and roundabouts (I have to admit though I used to go the longer way round purely for the drive!) and on nearly every road the car was opened up.
I kept telling myself I was going for a ban but then the CTR just kept wanting more and more and I couldn't resist!
In my defence your honor there was some track work with the first set of tyres.
I just loved the sound and rush on V-TEC, combine that with a fabulous gear box, chassis and brakes and you have a car that doesn't want to go slow.
Previously I had an Astra Turbo and I never felt the same urge to go flat out in that as I did with the CTR. The CTR just loves to go flat out, where as with the Astra I just felt bad for abusing it....
On my old trips to work and back there was a variety of country roads, dual carridgeway's and roundabouts (I have to admit though I used to go the longer way round purely for the drive!) and on nearly every road the car was opened up.
I kept telling myself I was going for a ban but then the CTR just kept wanting more and more and I couldn't resist!
__LEE__ said:
I never felt the same urge to go flat out in that as I did with the CTR.
I kept telling myself I was going for a ban but then the CTR just kept wanting more and more and I couldn't resist!
I kept telling myself I was going for a ban but then the CTR just kept wanting more and more and I couldn't resist!
That'll be a Type R.
For over a year I commuted daily up and down the Fosse Way, which was pure heaven...it got to the point that I could take a sweeping 'up-and-over' bend at 90+, which raised questions about stopping distances. So I figured that:- a) I ought to slow down; and
b) I really didn't need a faster car.
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