RE: Honda reveals NSX future concept
Discussion
First concept looked really good and real as in it looked likely for production.
This new concept looks amazing. Very futuristic, taught around the body, amazing rear end. BUT it looks totally unrealistic for future model production. It looks like a take an amazing rendering and make it reality. Spend the bare minimum to make a prototype as the windows etc are blacked out and see the reaction - which is going to be great.
I thought the original NSX was exceptional and clever use of light engine. If this comes out it will blow our minds. Lets hope it does
HT
This new concept looks amazing. Very futuristic, taught around the body, amazing rear end. BUT it looks totally unrealistic for future model production. It looks like a take an amazing rendering and make it reality. Spend the bare minimum to make a prototype as the windows etc are blacked out and see the reaction - which is going to be great.
I thought the original NSX was exceptional and clever use of light engine. If this comes out it will blow our minds. Lets hope it does
HT
RobPhoboS said:
Suckmychrsitmas said:
Just look at that, stunning, kind of NSX meets Gallardo.
If thats what the future of Hondas sport's cars are going to look like, put me down for one... if they are going to look like that lump on the front page.
On yer VFR800 !
Totally agree, although I'd opt for the VTR SP-2 instead.
19 and 20 inch wheels? why does it have similar sized wheels to a barge? i mean bently!
the original NSX= drivers car (nsx-r= gives a man wet dreams)
this new concept= pull up at a drive through and fill the passenger seat with junk food for the long drive ahead. its a car for doing distances in. it will just blend into the background.
the hsc was a nice looking car. stick the V10 in the back of that. IN THE BACK.
the original NSX= drivers car (nsx-r= gives a man wet dreams)
this new concept= pull up at a drive through and fill the passenger seat with junk food for the long drive ahead. its a car for doing distances in. it will just blend into the background.
the hsc was a nice looking car. stick the V10 in the back of that. IN THE BACK.
When I first saw the pictures of the HSC ( rear engine concept ) I tried to get a couple of dealers to take a deposit. Then the rumors of a front engine platfrom started to arise.
This came out and I would say about 90% of current NSX owners that I know did not like it.
Think of a coupe S2000 times two with luxury.
Just look at the Legend, $ 36K with enough specs to bore you and 291BHP from a SOHC 3.5 V6! Give them an extra £ 30K and then imagine the results.
I think that Honda is only giving people what they want. What do people want? A Japanese car as fast as a Z06 that can look a sgood as an Aston Martin and out handle a 599.
We can't have another NSX simply because they can't pass regulations anymore.
I stand my ground that if they build it it will be a great car.
Cheers,
AR
This came out and I would say about 90% of current NSX owners that I know did not like it.
Think of a coupe S2000 times two with luxury.
Just look at the Legend, $ 36K with enough specs to bore you and 291BHP from a SOHC 3.5 V6! Give them an extra £ 30K and then imagine the results.
I think that Honda is only giving people what they want. What do people want? A Japanese car as fast as a Z06 that can look a sgood as an Aston Martin and out handle a 599.
We can't have another NSX simply because they can't pass regulations anymore.
I stand my ground that if they build it it will be a great car.
Cheers,
AR
thekirbyfake said:
Fittster said:
Considering the poor sales of the NSX it's not really surprising that Honda would go down a different path for its replacement.
That's what I was thinking. iirc only around 15,000 NSX's ever found homes.
Porsche sold >30,000 911's last year alone.
Agree with the above. Lots of "That's not a proper NSX replacement" here. Obviously the old NSX was well-loved. So well-loved that virtually no-one bought one.
HSC
Concept II
Another NSX owner who thinks concept II is a cop out. The HSC was going in the right direction - I envisaged a HSC with a spec sheet along these lines:
1300kg max
3.5-3.8 V6 - 400bhp
Mid engined
Performance on a par with 997GT3, but £65k-£70k
That would be something a little different to the power chasing 500bhp+ club, performance through 'added lightness' as Chapman might say. More useable on most roads (than 500bhp monsters), and would still deliver super acceleration up to 150mph - a natural evolution of the NSX concept which would sit well in the future marketplace (its only - admittedly strong - direct price competition would be standard 997). Of course it would have the NSX's legendary build quality thrown into the mix alongside proper ergonomics, a comfortable interior and a chassis prioritized to deliver driving enjoyment ahead of ultimate trackday grip.
Concept II
Another NSX owner who thinks concept II is a cop out. The HSC was going in the right direction - I envisaged a HSC with a spec sheet along these lines:
1300kg max
3.5-3.8 V6 - 400bhp
Mid engined
Performance on a par with 997GT3, but £65k-£70k
That would be something a little different to the power chasing 500bhp+ club, performance through 'added lightness' as Chapman might say. More useable on most roads (than 500bhp monsters), and would still deliver super acceleration up to 150mph - a natural evolution of the NSX concept which would sit well in the future marketplace (its only - admittedly strong - direct price competition would be standard 997). Of course it would have the NSX's legendary build quality thrown into the mix alongside proper ergonomics, a comfortable interior and a chassis prioritized to deliver driving enjoyment ahead of ultimate trackday grip.
The reasons that few original NSXs were bought are three: potential buyer's snobbish brand envy, Honda's desire to build a truly usable automobile (as opposed to pathetic wank-toys), and Honda's more serious mistake - not enough power. All they would have needed to do was install the original-spec V8 and, voila - world-beater.
The original NSX is still a uniquely usable daily-driver supercar. The HSC concept is a nasty, slab-sided excuse for a successor, whereas THIS drek doesn't bear mentioning, much less comparing with the original NSX.
Oh, BTW, doon't blame the US for this abortion; the Europeans are just as guilty of embracing boring Japanese appliances, and we Americans have a much better excuse: look at the utter swill our domestic "manufacturers" have threatened us with, as an alternative... No one ever offered us a Lancia Gamma coupe; an Alfasud sprint (or a 156!), etc, etc... Seriously, look at all the cars with fantastic character (if not reliability...) that we've been denied: can you really blame us, for adopting wretched appliances which offer nothing beyond reliability? What's Your Excuse?
The original NSX is still a uniquely usable daily-driver supercar. The HSC concept is a nasty, slab-sided excuse for a successor, whereas THIS drek doesn't bear mentioning, much less comparing with the original NSX.
Oh, BTW, doon't blame the US for this abortion; the Europeans are just as guilty of embracing boring Japanese appliances, and we Americans have a much better excuse: look at the utter swill our domestic "manufacturers" have threatened us with, as an alternative... No one ever offered us a Lancia Gamma coupe; an Alfasud sprint (or a 156!), etc, etc... Seriously, look at all the cars with fantastic character (if not reliability...) that we've been denied: can you really blame us, for adopting wretched appliances which offer nothing beyond reliability? What's Your Excuse?
Stephen White said:
...and Honda's more serious mistake - not enough power....
Ferrari 348 / Honda NSX / Porsche 911(964)
0-60mph: 5.6secs / 5.6secs / 5.2secs
0-100mph: 13secs / 13.6secs / 13.2secs
max speed: 171mph / 164mph / 157mph
power: 300bhp / 276bhp / 250bhp
Performance was certainly adequate compared to the competition at launch, the folly was not upgrading the power rating for the 3.2 to keep pace with the newer Ferrari 355 & Porsche 993 when they were launched. Its clear the 3.2 had more power/torque than the 3.0 but Honda stuck to the 286bhp gentlemans agreement on paper.
Edited by trackdemon on Wednesday 10th January 13:11
Stephen White said:
Oh, BTW, doon't blame the US for this abortion; the Europeans are just as guilty of embracing boring Japanese appliances, and we Americans have a much better excuse: look at the utter swill our domestic "manufacturers" have threatened us with, as an alternative... No one ever offered us a Lancia Gamma coupe; an Alfasud sprint (or a 156!), etc, etc... Seriously, look at all the cars with fantastic character (if not reliability...) that we've been denied: can you really blame us, for adopting wretched appliances which offer nothing beyond reliability? What's Your Excuse?
You were denied them for a reason - most car-buying Americans prefer fat, bouncy, ugly chrome-ridden cars with huge engines. The HSC looked fantastic - a modern take on the NSX shape; but this doesn't even look Japanese.
Stephen White said:
What's Your Excuse?
Reliability does not exclude character. Alfa's have been crap for years, Fiats don't bear mentioning, and Lancia left these shores nearly two decades ago. German machinery is overpriced and often has no more character than the Jap stuff, just a better badge. The French (with the exception of Renault) lost their sports-car mojo some years ago, while the only 'British' cars anymore are low-volume stuff which require you either to have a mechanics degree to own and run or a yoga black-belt to live with day-to-day.
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