RE: Honda reveals NSX future concept

RE: Honda reveals NSX future concept

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minipower

897 posts

220 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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The first pic reminds me of the 90s camaro, with its long curving bonnet. It's suppose to be a sports car/supercar though, not some weird Japanese idea of a US muscle car. Much prefer that HSC thingy, even with those crap wheels.

RobPhoboS

3,454 posts

227 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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Suckmychrsitmas said:



Just look at that, stunning, kind of NSX meets Gallardo.

If thats what the future of Hondas sport's cars are going to look like, put me down for one... if they are going to look like that lump on the front page.
On yer bike !

Honkytonk

47 posts

211 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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First concept looked really good and real as in it looked likely for production.

This new concept looks amazing. Very futuristic, taught around the body, amazing rear end. BUT it looks totally unrealistic for future model production. It looks like a take an amazing rendering and make it reality. Spend the bare minimum to make a prototype as the windows etc are blacked out and see the reaction - which is going to be great.

I thought the original NSX was exceptional and clever use of light engine. If this comes out it will blow our minds. Lets hope it does

HT

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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Considering the poor sales of the NSX it's not really surprising that Honda would go down a different path for its replacement.

Is there any more detail on the engine?? VTEC + V10 sounds good.

Honkytonk

47 posts

211 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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Oh and I forgot to say that it really reminds me of the car in 'The Island' Cadillac Cienne. V12 doors go up, very angular. I really like that car a lot so this is going to be the affordable equivalent!

thekirbyfake

6,232 posts

236 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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Fittster said:
Considering the poor sales of the NSX it's not really surprising that Honda would go down a different path for its replacement.

That's what I was thinking. iirc only around 15,000 NSX's ever found homes.

Porsche sold >30,000 911's last year alone.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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I like it as an Acura/ Honda but it's not an NSX replacement really.

Its a big Prelude maybe.

NSX should be mid engined low and a Ferrari basher.

would I have one?

Ohh alright if I must!

dinkel

26,959 posts

259 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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' . . . V10 engine driving through the rear wheels.'

I like that . . . kinda old skool.

pjskel

10,842 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th January 2007
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RobPhoboS said:
Suckmychrsitmas said:



Just look at that, stunning, kind of NSX meets Gallardo.

If thats what the future of Hondas sport's cars are going to look like, put me down for one... if they are going to look like that lump on the front page.
On yer VFR800 !


yes

Totally agree, although I'd opt for the VTR SP-2 instead. hehe

GingerNinja

3,961 posts

259 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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Considering how (relatively) expensive the NSX was, I shudder to think how much Honda would knock this one out with it's V10.

greybeard

49 posts

211 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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Compared to the NSX this is a tired, almost insulting, cliche. It most closely resembles the "car of the future" artist renditions seen in Popular Mechanix magazines of the 1930s. I had entertained visions of leasing the NSX's successor. No more.

stew-typeR

8,006 posts

239 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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19 and 20 inch wheels? why does it have similar sized wheels to a barge? i mean bently!

the original NSX= drivers car (nsx-r= gives a man wet dreams)

this new concept= pull up at a drive through and fill the passenger seat with junk food for the long drive ahead. its a car for doing distances in. it will just blend into the background.

the hsc was a nice looking car. stick the V10 in the back of that. IN THE BACK.

AR

861 posts

225 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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When I first saw the pictures of the HSC ( rear engine concept ) I tried to get a couple of dealers to take a deposit. Then the rumors of a front engine platfrom started to arise.
This came out and I would say about 90% of current NSX owners that I know did not like it.

Think of a coupe S2000 times two with luxury.

Just look at the Legend, $ 36K with enough specs to bore you and 291BHP from a SOHC 3.5 V6! Give them an extra £ 30K and then imagine the results.

I think that Honda is only giving people what they want. What do people want? A Japanese car as fast as a Z06 that can look a sgood as an Aston Martin and out handle a 599.

We can't have another NSX simply because they can't pass regulations anymore.

I stand my ground that if they build it it will be a great car.

Cheers,

AR

skodaku

1,805 posts

220 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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thekirbyfake said:
Fittster said:
Considering the poor sales of the NSX it's not really surprising that Honda would go down a different path for its replacement.

That's what I was thinking. iirc only around 15,000 NSX's ever found homes.

Porsche sold >30,000 911's last year alone.


Agree with the above. Lots of "That's not a proper NSX replacement" here. Obviously the old NSX was well-loved. So well-loved that virtually no-one bought one.

trackdemon

12,193 posts

262 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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HSC


Concept II


Another NSX owner who thinks concept II is a cop out. The HSC was going in the right direction - I envisaged a HSC with a spec sheet along these lines:

1300kg max
3.5-3.8 V6 - 400bhp
Mid engined
Performance on a par with 997GT3, but £65k-£70k

That would be something a little different to the power chasing 500bhp+ club, performance through 'added lightness' as Chapman might say. More useable on most roads (than 500bhp monsters), and would still deliver super acceleration up to 150mph - a natural evolution of the NSX concept which would sit well in the future marketplace (its only - admittedly strong - direct price competition would be standard 997). Of course it would have the NSX's legendary build quality thrown into the mix alongside proper ergonomics, a comfortable interior and a chassis prioritized to deliver driving enjoyment ahead of ultimate trackday grip.

Stephen White

100 posts

283 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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The reasons that few original NSXs were bought are three: potential buyer's snobbish brand envy, Honda's desire to build a truly usable automobile (as opposed to pathetic wank-toys), and Honda's more serious mistake - not enough power. All they would have needed to do was install the original-spec V8 and, voila - world-beater.
The original NSX is still a uniquely usable daily-driver supercar. The HSC concept is a nasty, slab-sided excuse for a successor, whereas THIS drek doesn't bear mentioning, much less comparing with the original NSX.
Oh, BTW, doon't blame the US for this abortion; the Europeans are just as guilty of embracing boring Japanese appliances, and we Americans have a much better excuse: look at the utter swill our domestic "manufacturers" have threatened us with, as an alternative... No one ever offered us a Lancia Gamma coupe; an Alfasud sprint (or a 156!), etc, etc... Seriously, look at all the cars with fantastic character (if not reliability...) that we've been denied: can you really blame us, for adopting wretched appliances which offer nothing beyond reliability? What's Your Excuse?

trackdemon

12,193 posts

262 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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Stephen White said:
...and Honda's more serious mistake - not enough power....


Ferrari 348 / Honda NSX / Porsche 911(964)

0-60mph: 5.6secs / 5.6secs / 5.2secs
0-100mph: 13secs / 13.6secs / 13.2secs
max speed: 171mph / 164mph / 157mph
power: 300bhp / 276bhp / 250bhp

Performance was certainly adequate compared to the competition at launch, the folly was not upgrading the power rating for the 3.2 to keep pace with the newer Ferrari 355 & Porsche 993 when they were launched. Its clear the 3.2 had more power/torque than the 3.0 but Honda stuck to the 286bhp gentlemans agreement on paper.


Edited by trackdemon on Wednesday 10th January 13:11

Neil_H

15,323 posts

252 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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Stephen White said:
Oh, BTW, doon't blame the US for this abortion; the Europeans are just as guilty of embracing boring Japanese appliances, and we Americans have a much better excuse: look at the utter swill our domestic "manufacturers" have threatened us with, as an alternative... No one ever offered us a Lancia Gamma coupe; an Alfasud sprint (or a 156!), etc, etc... Seriously, look at all the cars with fantastic character (if not reliability...) that we've been denied: can you really blame us, for adopting wretched appliances which offer nothing beyond reliability? What's Your Excuse?



You were denied them for a reason - most car-buying Americans prefer fat, bouncy, ugly chrome-ridden cars with huge engines. The HSC looked fantastic - a modern take on the NSX shape; but this doesn't even look Japanese.

havoc

30,086 posts

236 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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Stephen White said:
What's Your Excuse?

Reliability does not exclude character. Alfa's have been crap for years, Fiats don't bear mentioning, and Lancia left these shores nearly two decades ago. German machinery is overpriced and often has no more character than the Jap stuff, just a better badge. The French (with the exception of Renault) lost their sports-car mojo some years ago, while the only 'British' cars anymore are low-volume stuff which require you either to have a mechanics degree to own and run or a yoga black-belt to live with day-to-day.

AR

861 posts

225 months

Wednesday 10th January 2007
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All they had to do was offer the NSX-R overhere, but with a price tag of £ 85K how many would have sold.

Remember is not only power, but power to weight and transmission losses.

Cheers,

AR