New CTR has a rear beam?
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Philbes said:
Catz said:
Marc W said:
The boot is huge (for that size of car) even with a spare wheel in place though.
Yeah and the rear seats flip up as well as back ... don't really see the use in that unless it was a 5 door tbh. Not easy to access for any purpose.
Yes the boot is large for the size of car - 415 litre with a space saver spare and 485 without a spare. My previous generation 5-door Civic has 370 of boot space with a spacesaver (or 360 with a full size (205/55-16) spare. all figures with rear seats 'up'.
So in reality it's another 45 litres of space, as I wouldn't want to suffer run-flats or risk tyre-foam. Hardly a massive increase, and at the expense of decent rear suspension.
Shows what market Honda is really aiming at...
Just seemed like an odd move to me. Obviously, I think anyone in the market for this kind of car would be daft to write it off without test driving, but I think it will put off some of the more blinkered customers.
The hot hatch category has changed somewhat though in the last few years, and most of the current crop really ought to be placed into another category, something like hot family hatchback, leaving the smaller cars, such as the Clio, 207 in the true hot hatch bracket.
The hot hatch category has changed somewhat though in the last few years, and most of the current crop really ought to be placed into another category, something like hot family hatchback, leaving the smaller cars, such as the Clio, 207 in the true hot hatch bracket.
havoc said:
Philbes said:
Catz said:
Marc W said:
The boot is huge (for that size of car) even with a spare wheel in place though.
Yeah and the rear seats flip up as well as back ... don't really see the use in that unless it was a 5 door tbh. Not easy to access for any purpose.
Yes the boot is large for the size of car - 415 litre with a space saver spare and 485 without a spare. My previous generation 5-door Civic has 370 of boot space with a spacesaver (or 360 with a full size (205/55-16) spare. all figures with rear seats 'up'.
So in reality it's another 45 litres of space, as I wouldn't want to suffer run-flats or risk tyre-foam. Hardly a massive increase, and at the expense of decent rear suspension.
Shows what market Honda is really aiming at...
The stupid thing is the Beam axel takes up a similar amount and area of space under the car as the old multi-link trailing arm setup... as it was on all Civics up to EK at least. So it's hard to see why the boot would be so much bigger. Maybe they've shifted the fuel tank forward too and roof is so much further from the ground. My CRX is like a pick-up truck in the back, especially seat down, huge, flat open luggage area.
I still think Honda have sold-out a bit. They built a solid reputation on engineering excellence, but this seems like over simplification bowing to pressure from bean counters to me, and as mentioned before it will most likely limit the breed's previously suprising depth of talent.
danger mouse said:
[I still think Honda have sold-out a bit. They built a solid reputation on engineering excellence, but this seems like over simplification bowing to pressure from bean counters to me, and as mentioned before it will most likely limit the breed's previously suprising depth of talent.
Agree on all of that except the 'bean counters' comment - accountants don't make decisions or force cuts/savings on a company - it's the directors and shareholders that do that.
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