slick tyres

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iguana

7,042 posts

260 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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I don't think matey is after ultimate handling prowess if he's tracking a TT anyway!

Used old slicks imho aren't this otherworldly gripping thing over proper track rubber- direzzas etc, just in used at least a lot cheaper.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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Matthead said:
As an aside, as for the baffled sumps, my E36 has an s54 in it and it had a m52 2.8 before that, neither had been baffled or had dry sump set ups and I've never had any oil problems. Maybe I'm not trying hard enough biglaugh
Do you monitor your oil pressure? If it is a potential problem for your engine you should see oil pressure drop under hard braking/cornering, if it is dropping low enough then you will be causing additional wear. On BECs like mine is a more common problem than CECs.


e21Mark

16,205 posts

173 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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Is there a night and day difference between slicks and road legal slicks like the 888's etc?

AshBurrows

2,552 posts

162 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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e21Mark said:
Is there a night and day difference between slicks and road legal slicks like the 888's etc?
Yes.

JontyR

1,915 posts

167 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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Have you tried TouringCarSpares?

I used to buy my slicks and wets from them when I first started racing. However there is a big difference between buying new and being able to run a set of slicks in rather than just buying ones that have been ragged to qualify on and effectively blue. I made huge differences in my lap times buying new and they lasted longer so the effective price was very similar.

Matthead

17 posts

103 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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tankplanker said:
o you monitor your oil pressure? If it is a potential problem for your engine you should see oil pressure drop under hard braking/cornering, if it is dropping low enough then you will be causing additional wear. On BECs like mine is a more common problem than CECs.
Yes I do, with both a data logger with oil pressure and temp monitoring and a spa dual oil pressure and temp gauge so I can see it quickly when on track. Never had any problemss, it's not low, never got low and doesn't trip the alarms on the gauge. Local track for me is snetterton so coram is a big long fast corner, I've never had low oil pressure around there. Low fuel and fuel starvation was more of an issue!!

1781cc

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576 posts

94 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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iguana said:
I don't think matey is after ultimate handling prowess if he's tracking a TT anyway!
Believe me the TT goes a hell of a lot better than people think, especially when I've taken out over 300kg of excess weight out of it, polybushed the whole car, coilovers, adjustable tie bars, been running dedicated track semi slicks for 2 years, support braces, half cage and whole pile of other upgrades.

Ifs not the usually fully interiored hairdresser car

https://youtu.be/hNwc37c60co?t=2m35s (excuse the idiot in the yellow M3)

Samjeev said:
Running slicks will exclude you from a number of track days and if you lack an MSA approved roll cage you may be turned away altogether.

Not to mention running to the edge of traction is part of learning your car, slicks would surely just sweep any of that under the rug I imagine?
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time your car underwent scrutineering on a track day?

As said above, I have done two years on semi-slicks, I feel like the car could benefit with slicks at this stage to improve speed carried through corners, I still need more grunt on the straights (as the yellow M3 above shows) but I'm weighing up where to spend some money on improvements. There was a V8 M3 the other day at Bedford on slicks and it was relatively stock, certainly with no roll cage, but my god did it grip and was able to run a much tighter line with less bleed out to the kerbs.

JKING

810 posts

162 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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1781cc said:
iguana said:
I don't think matey is after ultimate handling prowess if he's tracking a TT anyway!
Believe me the TT goes a hell of a lot better than people think, especially when I've taken out over 300kg of excess weight out of it, polybushed the whole car, coilovers, adjustable tie bars, been running dedicated track semi slicks for 2 years, support braces, half cage and whole pile of other upgrades.

Ifs not the usually fully interiored hairdresser car

https://youtu.be/hNwc37c60co?t=2m35s (excuse the idiot in the yellow M3)

Samjeev said:
Running slicks will exclude you from a number of track days and if you lack an MSA approved roll cage you may be turned away altogether.

Not to mention running to the edge of traction is part of learning your car, slicks would surely just sweep any of that under the rug I imagine?
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time your car underwent scrutineering on a track day?

As said above, I have done two years on semi-slicks, I feel like the car could benefit with slicks at this stage to improve speed carried through corners, I still need more grunt on the straights (as the yellow M3 above shows) but I'm weighing up where to spend some money on improvements. There was a V8 M3 the other day at Bedford on slicks and it was relatively stock, certainly with no roll cage, but my god did it grip and was able to run a much tighter line with less bleed out to the kerbs.
I think you'll find on MSV trackdays they will not allow you to use slicks unless you have a cage fitted.

Samjeev

725 posts

121 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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1781cc said:
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time your car underwent scrutineering on a track day?
You would be able to spot slicks on a car even whilst it's moving, its really not difficult, let alone in the paddock.
And I was actually told off for wearing my gopro on my helmet last track day, bit silly but I took it off anyway and moved it to my harness bar mount.

1781cc

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576 posts

94 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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JKING said:
I think you'll find on MSV trackdays they will not allow you to use slicks unless you have a cage fitted.
Sweet, so five circuits organised by MSV events only, but Bedford (which is an MSV) run by OpenTrack on Monday with the M3 on slicks with no cage is fine it seems.

Btw, I'm being devils advocate here, I'm not decided on getting slicks 100% yet, but just proving it's not a clear black and white for those considering it.

That M3 was there throughout the session and I gaurentee it had no cage.

Order66

6,728 posts

249 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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Samjeev said:
And I was actually told off for wearing my gopro on my helmet last track day, bit silly but I took it off anyway and moved it to my harness bar mount.
Not silly at all - for 2 reasons:
1. It creates a simple high-torque rotation point - if something hits the gopro and uses it as a lever to turn your head you can snap your neck very easily.
2. All the helmet manufacturers tell you explicitly not to attach anything to the helmet. It could theoretically compromise the structure of the helmet under certain impacts.

Steve H

5,283 posts

195 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Samjeev said:
Seems like a lot of hassle when a turbo would be more fun.
You appear to be in the wrong section, try HERE

T4RRR

206 posts

219 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Matthead said:
Dunlop 235/610/17 medium compound. All part worn but plenty of life in them. Probably 7-8 sets available. I'd have to have a count up. Also have one set of Dunlop 235/610/17 wets.
Could very well be interested in some of those slicks - could you please drop me a PM / email? Thnx!

Samjeev

725 posts

121 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Steve H said:
Samjeev said:
Seems like a lot of hassle when a turbo would be more fun.
You appear to be in the wrong section, try HERE
Wait, you're telling me to go to the drag section because I say a turbo is more fun but we're in a discussion about Slick tyres? which you know.. is the #1 upgrade for a drag racer.
Smart.

FYI, Turbo cars are fun in corners too, you just got to know how to drive biglaugh

Edited by Samjeev on Sunday 16th July 20:51

hunter 66

3,905 posts

220 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Racecarsdirect have tyres ..... nit may need to adjust the camber etc so more complex

e21Mark

16,205 posts

173 months

Monday 17th July 2017
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AshBurrows said:
e21Mark said:
Is there a night and day difference between slicks and road legal slicks like the 888's etc?
Yes.
What would you say the closest road tyre is?

Am considering a set of slicks for my spare wheels but as I do mainly sprints and hillclimb, I will need a pretty soft compound that works well from cold.

E-bmw

9,220 posts

152 months

Monday 17th July 2017
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e21Mark said:
I will need a pretty soft compound that works well from cold.
In my experience, that means you don't want slicks then, the only ones I have tried need a couple of laps before they give full traction.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 17th July 2017
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E-bmw said:
e21Mark said:
I will need a pretty soft compound that works well from cold.
In my experience, that means you don't want slicks then, the only ones I have tried need a couple of laps before they give full traction.
If you check out the bottom of Avons compound list there are Hillclimb/Sprint slicks. http://bmtrracing.com/avon-compounds/

Where e21Mark might find them 2nd hand at a reasonable price, is I guess, another question.

Edited by Munter on Monday 17th July 14:30

Matthead

17 posts

103 months

Monday 17th July 2017
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T4RRR said:
Could very well be interested in some of those slicks - could you please drop me a PM / email? Thnx!
Email sent!

fushion julz

614 posts

173 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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e21Mark said:
Is there a night and day difference between slicks and road legal slicks like the 888's etc?
I've used both R888s and Michelin S9Cs on my E30 M3...and the short answer is yes...

My car has a baffled sump but no cage or harnesses.. There is a huge difference in the amount of grip and feel available, especially under braking. The slicks are roughly a third of the cost of R888s and the hard compound slicks suit my car perfectly (bearing in mind it isn't stripped or lightened so is quite heavy). They also last roughly 3 times as long as R888s in medium compound.

I was paying roughly £50 per tyre for 15" slicks compared to £150 ish for 15" R888s!