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Ahbefive said:
If you are there the same time this year as I am then I'd love to show you how my lowly DS2500s last lap after lap on track with no issues.
I'll pass on your generous offer thanks. I've done 10's of thousands of track miles and tried pretty much every make and compound around. I know where I'd spend my money and regardless of how much you rate them, DS2500's are not something I'd ever run again.
Ahbefive said:
Well you guys are in the huge minority but each to their own.
A quick google and a browse of various marques owners clubs gets tjen overwhelmingly good reviews.
I'll take being in the "huge minority" of people that think DS2500's aren't up to the task. Must mean I'm using the brakes properly A quick google and a browse of various marques owners clubs gets tjen overwhelmingly good reviews.
Out of curiosity, what brake pads have you actually tried?
I kind of agree with you but then, when you read through the post it starts as asked for..... People are giving their opinions and recommendations which was quite clearly helpful to the op and probably others too.
The A.N. Other chips in & starts criticising others opinions/experiences from a point of lack of knowledge verging on ignorance.
Just because he likes one pad & one pad only and therefore they must be the best, and appears not to have tried any others they think they know that everyone else MUST be wrong/exaggerating, so then the post turns the corner into what it has become.
The A.N. Other chips in & starts criticising others opinions/experiences from a point of lack of knowledge verging on ignorance.
Just because he likes one pad & one pad only and therefore they must be the best, and appears not to have tried any others they think they know that everyone else MUST be wrong/exaggerating, so then the post turns the corner into what it has become.
You must be struggling with comprehension. I never said 1 pad is the best. I said that I have done several track days and road miles on a particular pad on a particular car and never felt the need to upgrade to one that cost 3 times as much and reviews of them say they eat discs and squeal.
I know they are not a pure race pad and others may give superior stopping power but for the road miles and maybe 7 or 8 track days a year that I do, in my car, on my tyres, they are perfect for me so why would I need to change?
EVERY pad is a compromise for some reason, be it price, noise, dust, longevity, pad deposits, reports of it actually contributing to wrecking paintwork. It totally depends on who is using it, for what, on what car etc.
Saying "you don't know what you are talking about, xyz pad is best" is just stupid.
I know they are not a pure race pad and others may give superior stopping power but for the road miles and maybe 7 or 8 track days a year that I do, in my car, on my tyres, they are perfect for me so why would I need to change?
EVERY pad is a compromise for some reason, be it price, noise, dust, longevity, pad deposits, reports of it actually contributing to wrecking paintwork. It totally depends on who is using it, for what, on what car etc.
Saying "you don't know what you are talking about, xyz pad is best" is just stupid.
Edited by Ahbefive on Friday 25th May 13:37
this thread has certainly made for interesting reading... looking for some pads myself, have only previously used EBCs (yellowstuff for a while, now bluestuffs) mostly due to the low price.
so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
brillomaster said:
this thread has certainly made for interesting reading... looking for some pads myself, have only previously used EBCs (yellowstuff for a while, now bluestuffs) mostly due to the low price.
so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
All mentioned above are pretty low end stuff, the 1155s are ok but depends on what car, the 1166s a step up.so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
As can be seen above is a LOT of discussion ref pads! what works for some wont work for others & tbh 3 TDs from cheap Aldi spec pads isnt bad, sure go to waitrose & something proper like an rs29 should & does usually last a lot lot longer, but on a road car they don't imho like the winter too much & they & ds1.11 etc do sqeal like a bugger on a road car, if you want long life look into Endless pads, or the Project Mu jobbies not cheap tho.
brillomaster said:
this thread has certainly made for interesting reading... looking for some pads myself, have only previously used EBCs (yellowstuff for a while, now bluestuffs) mostly due to the low price.
so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
There is a reason why carbotechs are nearly double the price of yellowstuff. so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
BricktopST205 said:
brillomaster said:
this thread has certainly made for interesting reading... looking for some pads myself, have only previously used EBCs (yellowstuff for a while, now bluestuffs) mostly due to the low price.
so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
There is a reason why carbotechs are nearly double the price of yellowstuff. so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
brillomaster said:
this thread has certainly made for interesting reading... looking for some pads myself, have only previously used EBCs (yellowstuff for a while, now bluestuffs) mostly due to the low price.
so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
You can buy PF pads direct from the manufacturer & there are plenty of resellers (I use design 911) online. As I wrote earlier, they are also keenly priced for my car at ~£100 per axle.so, i used to think bluestuffs were alright, but everyone says they arent. was going to try ds2500s, but they arent rated that highly now either.... next up would be tarox corsa, anyone have any ideas?
also been recommended some mintex pads (M1155 i think) and then a lot of people recommended performance friction pads, but i cant find where you actually get them from - where do you get PF or mintex pads from?!?
main priority is pad longevity, i'm bored of changing pads every three trackdays - i love driving, but hate car maintenance - i'd love a set of pads that lasted a full year. also not that fussed on kindness to discs, as new discs are only £140 for all 4, which is less than just the front brake pads.
1155's are pretty good. PF are better.
I'm also looking for some pads and discs and came across this thread which you may find useful - https://wiki.seloc.org/a/Brake_pads
Just to add, and only IMHO, I've previously tried DS2500s when I got the car, and thought they were ok, although I didn't like the dust created. Also had original drilled disks on at the time, which after a while showed some evidence of tiny cracks developing near the drilled holes.
Since changed them for grooved disks and Pagid RS29 pads. Although I had thought the DS2500s were ok, the RS29s were in a different league. Much better feel, very strong braking, very little brake dust, and they do last a lot longer. They are also ok on the road from cold. Only downside is they will occasionally squeak a bit, but that's a small price to pay for the much improved performance and longevity.
As has already been said, different setups will no doubt suit different cars, but I'm sticking with the RS29 pads.
Car is a 442BHP Noble M400. Many of the Noble guys who track the cars (and some who race them) also highly rate RS29 pads.
Since changed them for grooved disks and Pagid RS29 pads. Although I had thought the DS2500s were ok, the RS29s were in a different league. Much better feel, very strong braking, very little brake dust, and they do last a lot longer. They are also ok on the road from cold. Only downside is they will occasionally squeak a bit, but that's a small price to pay for the much improved performance and longevity.
As has already been said, different setups will no doubt suit different cars, but I'm sticking with the RS29 pads.
Car is a 442BHP Noble M400. Many of the Noble guys who track the cars (and some who race them) also highly rate RS29 pads.
We all have differing views as our cars are different weights, have different discs and we are all different drivers.
But on my 1500kg Evo 10 I rate the top three for me in this order
Carbotech XP10 (Always use these now)
Pagid RS29 similar to XP10 but had a little less feel and went wooden in feel towards end of life
DS3000 loved them but lasted 5 minutes.
But on my 1500kg Evo 10 I rate the top three for me in this order
Carbotech XP10 (Always use these now)
Pagid RS29 similar to XP10 but had a little less feel and went wooden in feel towards end of life
DS3000 loved them but lasted 5 minutes.
I have a 1200kg E30 M3 with 280hp, AP Racing 4pots and 315mm discs.
Another vote for CL Brakes RC5+ here. Compared to the DS3000s I ran previously, they work better from cold, squeal less (virtually never) and produce less dust. Stopping power is equal to the DS3000s, the pedal is firmer and during 30min sessions on both Oulton Park and Croft, I experienced no degradation in performance.
Another vote for CL Brakes RC5+ here. Compared to the DS3000s I ran previously, they work better from cold, squeal less (virtually never) and produce less dust. Stopping power is equal to the DS3000s, the pedal is firmer and during 30min sessions on both Oulton Park and Croft, I experienced no degradation in performance.
brillomaster said:
alrighty well i've sacked off EBC, Tarox and Ferodo, and gone for some Performance Friction 08s, since i realised their UK office is round the corner from where i work!
though at £400 they better be a decent improvement over the EBC blues - time will tell!
The, chocolate would be an improvement vs EBC blue! You'll be happy with the PFC, brilliant products, on a par with Endless.though at £400 they better be a decent improvement over the EBC blues - time will tell!
Just to add a bit of an extra element to this, if you have some form of additional brake cooling you should see some improvements if using one of the 'lesser' pads.
I managed to completely kill (to the backing plate all round!) a brand new set of Yellowstuff's in my S2000 (stock calipers & cooling) at Rockingham in about half a day of dry running. They did wear so linearly however that I didn't notice them wearing down until basically the last press of the pedal, at which point they were gone. They did wear incredibly fast as you got them hot.
Now I use CL RC5+ which last at least 3 TD's, but they are quite pricey. However, different league compared to the EBC's. I'm going to try RC6's next to see if they last even longer, as I only use plain cheap Delphi discs anyway which would be the much cheaper component to replace. I'd highly recommend CL's if you can deal with the noise. It's quite bad at times but doesn't bother you so much if it's a second car.
I managed to completely kill (to the backing plate all round!) a brand new set of Yellowstuff's in my S2000 (stock calipers & cooling) at Rockingham in about half a day of dry running. They did wear so linearly however that I didn't notice them wearing down until basically the last press of the pedal, at which point they were gone. They did wear incredibly fast as you got them hot.
Now I use CL RC5+ which last at least 3 TD's, but they are quite pricey. However, different league compared to the EBC's. I'm going to try RC6's next to see if they last even longer, as I only use plain cheap Delphi discs anyway which would be the much cheaper component to replace. I'd highly recommend CL's if you can deal with the noise. It's quite bad at times but doesn't bother you so much if it's a second car.
StottyGTR said:
Someone mentioned earlier DS2500s lasting one track day, what are you people doing to your brakes? 
I take every word back. A couple friends of mine had DS2500s in there Leon Cupra track car and destroyed them down to the pad backing in 2 track days. I think past a certain heat the pad material falls to pieces especially as it was the inside pads that were down to the pad backing, outside had a touch more material on them. Great pads for road use, but get them too hot and they wear very quickly.
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