Nurburgring 2019
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doogalman said:
Lost ranger said:
Kev_Mk3 said:
AMG driver & passenger is ok after rolling 7 times at SX.
Was it filmed or did someone manage to count?If it was the driver or passenger counting
That's a monster crash.
https://www.hartvoorautos.nl/video-mercedes-amg-gt...
C70R said:
doogalman said:
Lost ranger said:
Kev_Mk3 said:
AMG driver & passenger is ok after rolling 7 times at SX.
Was it filmed or did someone manage to count?If it was the driver or passenger counting
That's a monster crash.
https://www.hartvoorautos.nl/video-mercedes-amg-gt...
Digga said:
C70R said:
doogalman said:
Lost ranger said:
Kev_Mk3 said:
AMG driver & passenger is ok after rolling 7 times at SX.
Was it filmed or did someone manage to count?If it was the driver or passenger counting
That's a monster crash.
https://www.hartvoorautos.nl/video-mercedes-amg-gt...
C70R said:
Digga said:
C70R said:
doogalman said:
Lost ranger said:
Kev_Mk3 said:
AMG driver & passenger is ok after rolling 7 times at SX.
Was it filmed or did someone manage to count?If it was the driver or passenger counting
That's a monster crash.
https://www.hartvoorautos.nl/video-mercedes-amg-gt...
And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
Digga said:
I keep looking and I think I can see a very, very slight 'brake'. There merest brush of the pedal. FWIW I am looking at this on a very large, brand new desktop monitor.
And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
There is.And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
I spot it too.
I think the issue was turning in with no throttle at that speed on the crest of the hill.
xjay1337 said:
Digga said:
I keep looking and I think I can see a very, very slight 'brake'. There merest brush of the pedal. FWIW I am looking at this on a very large, brand new desktop monitor.
And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
There is.And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
I spot it too.
I think the issue was turning in with no throttle at that speed on the crest of the hill.
k things right up.TBF, I think the rate they were catching the slower car ahead may have weighed on the driver's mind too.
Digga said:
xjay1337 said:
Digga said:
I keep looking and I think I can see a very, very slight 'brake'. There merest brush of the pedal. FWIW I am looking at this on a very large, brand new desktop monitor.
And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
There is.And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
I spot it too.
I think the issue was turning in with no throttle at that speed on the crest of the hill.
k things right up.TBF, I think the rate they were catching the slower car ahead may have weighed on the driver's mind too.
Digga said:
xjay1337 said:
Digga said:
I keep looking and I think I can see a very, very slight 'brake'. There merest brush of the pedal. FWIW I am looking at this on a very large, brand new desktop monitor.
And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
There is.And also on YouTube, rather than the embedded link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=617&am...
Just as the tyres squeal and the car starts to rotate, I am sure there's a slight trace in the brake telemetry. (About 10:25)
I spot it too.
I think the issue was turning in with no throttle at that speed on the crest of the hill.
k things right up.TBF, I think the rate they were catching the slower car ahead may have weighed on the driver's mind too.
Peter De La Mare said:
I get it a bit wrong.
So I messed up a bit, but I think the car should have stuck instead of the rear making no attempt to go round the corner.
I turned in a bit earlier than usual, I steer out if it slightly and catch a bump which is bigger than it used to be, I would normally be back on the gas at this point to load up the car for the long sweeping off-camber turn over the crest, but the rear starts going before I collect myself and there’s no catching it. A tiny error with huge consequences.
My M3 goes around this bend at the same speed and feels planted each time. It’s possible my tyres weren’t completely up to temp as this was the first lap out of the car park, and Cup2s due take a while to get to temp.
I asked what stability control mode he was in, and it sounds like it was in one of the reduced Traction Settings that the GT R has. I believe that then turns off DSC, so he wouldn't have had much support for oversteer.So I messed up a bit, but I think the car should have stuck instead of the rear making no attempt to go round the corner.
I turned in a bit earlier than usual, I steer out if it slightly and catch a bump which is bigger than it used to be, I would normally be back on the gas at this point to load up the car for the long sweeping off-camber turn over the crest, but the rear starts going before I collect myself and there’s no catching it. A tiny error with huge consequences.
My M3 goes around this bend at the same speed and feels planted each time. It’s possible my tyres weren’t completely up to temp as this was the first lap out of the car park, and Cup2s due take a while to get to temp.
Digga said:
C70R said:
It's an absolutely fearsome corner, and needs either 100% or 0% commitment in my experience.
I use "Medium", like all the rest of the corners. 
Perks of tracking a car with only 200bhp.
C70R said:
Digga said:
C70R said:
It's an absolutely fearsome corner, and needs either 100% or 0% commitment in my experience.
I use "Medium", like all the rest of the corners. Perks of tracking a car with only 200bhp.
That’s me destroying my lovely GTR. I wasn’t entirely happy with how it was handling on the two first laps, as my passengers will attest, maybe it’s because it’s such a different car to my usual highly-modified E92 M3. It was a small driving error by turning in too early that on any other corner would be an easy save, but this corner’s reputation as a car killer isn’t undeserved, at all.
I’ve previously tracked this car at Donington and Brands GP without issue, it’s fast and handles well, but it just felt a bit weird at the ring. It did have rear wheel steering errors in the morning which seemed to clear ok, wether this had an affect I have no idea. Probably not.
For the replacement I think I’ll go back to an M car, M2 probably (with suitable mods of course).
I’ve previously tracked this car at Donington and Brands GP without issue, it’s fast and handles well, but it just felt a bit weird at the ring. It did have rear wheel steering errors in the morning which seemed to clear ok, wether this had an affect I have no idea. Probably not.
For the replacement I think I’ll go back to an M car, M2 probably (with suitable mods of course).
Pdelamare said:
That’s me destroying my lovely GTR. I wasn’t entirely happy with how it was handling on the two first laps, as my passengers will attest, maybe it’s because it’s such a different car to my usual highly-modified E92 M3. It was a small driving error by turning in too early that on any other corner would be an easy save, but this corner’s reputation as a car killer isn’t undeserved, at all.
I’ve previously tracked this car at Donington and Brands GP without issue, it’s fast and handles well, but it just felt a bit weird at the ring. It did have rear wheel steering errors in the morning which seemed to clear ok, wether this had an affect I have no idea. Probably not.
For the replacement I think I’ll go back to an M car, M2 probably (with suitable mods of course).
Glad you managed to get out relatively unscathed.I’ve previously tracked this car at Donington and Brands GP without issue, it’s fast and handles well, but it just felt a bit weird at the ring. It did have rear wheel steering errors in the morning which seemed to clear ok, wether this had an affect I have no idea. Probably not.
For the replacement I think I’ll go back to an M car, M2 probably (with suitable mods of course).
That was a whopper.
Thanks, that’s the biggest crash I’ve been involved in. I’m a bit surprised I didn’t break my neck on the first landing upside down, my helmet touches the roof liner when the car is on its wheels let alone landing upside down from a great height. My right arm has lacerations all the way up when it exited the car during one of the rolls, luckily I felt the cold breeze on it and yanked it back into the car.
Photos of the car in the pound show it took a very severe beating, the chassis roof rail was broken on my side.
Photos of the car in the pound show it took a very severe beating, the chassis roof rail was broken on my side.
Pdelamare said:
Thanks, that’s the biggest crash I’ve been involved in. I’m a bit surprised I didn’t break my neck on the first landing upside down, my helmet touches the roof liner when the car is on its wheels let alone landing upside down from a great height. My right arm has lacerations all the way up when it exited the car during one of the rolls, luckily I felt the cold breeze on it and yanked it back into the car.
Photos of the car in the pound show it took a very severe beating, the chassis roof rail was broken on my side.
Thanks for posting. Very glad that both you and the ballast were okay. Cars can be replaced.Photos of the car in the pound show it took a very severe beating, the chassis roof rail was broken on my side.
Do you think you may have braked, or may the trace be an ABS glitch? Whatever, rear wheel steering issues are disconcerting. It's a weird track and there are places, like SX, where it's not like anywhere else - savage bumps, even after resurfacing last winter.
Pdelamare said:
I don’t recall braking tbh as I know this would have been the wrong thing to do. I think I was a bit shocked it got out of shape so early in the turn and was in denial about it all lol.
When I did my training for Industry Pool, it was drilled into us that we should go over SX [u]on[/u] throttle. So that means, brake after the first crest, then get back on the power. The reason being, in more powerful and faster cars, the apex crest unsettles the rear end and causes fairly massive oversteer.Saying that, it can easily be that you end up in a situation where you can’t be on power. Good example being earlier this year when there was a Fiesta doing half my speed on the exit. I had to lift and brake, otherwise I’d have ended up in the back of his car. It’s for reasons like this that I always leave some form of stability control on....not just Traction. There are times round there that I’ve definitely been saved by it due to having to lift or slow for stuff that wasn’t in an ideal place.
Key thing was you were both ok in the long run. Just shows how strong modern cars are!
Pdelamare said:
Thanks, that’s the biggest crash I’ve been involved in. I’m a bit surprised I didn’t break my neck on the first landing upside down, my helmet touches the roof liner when the car is on its wheels let alone landing upside down from a great height. My right arm has lacerations all the way up when it exited the car during one of the rolls, luckily I felt the cold breeze on it and yanked it back into the car.
Photos of the car in the pound show it took a very severe beating, the chassis roof rail was broken on my side.
This is the worry for me. Photos of the car in the pound show it took a very severe beating, the chassis roof rail was broken on my side.
You're basically driving something with racecar performance on a racetrack, but with none of the safety features you'd expect from a racecar (plumbed extinguisher, full rollcage, non-opening windows).
The potential for doing serious damage to yourself by driving at 10/10ths is huge.
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