Are track day prices going up fast?
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mikewilliams79 said:
C70R said:
So, to answer the thread title, "No"? 
For some no. For some yes. If you want chavlin it seems you’re ok.How does that explain the fact that my Opentrack bookings were practically the same price as last year?
C70R said:
Assuming that was a sad attempt at looking down your nose at Javelin trackdays?
How does that explain the fact that my Opentrack bookings were practically the same price as last year?
Ah yes I got it, Javelin/Chavlin. A sad attempt indeed. I never found anything particularly chav about Javelin, not that it would bother me. Track days are a broad church, which is part of the appeal. How does that explain the fact that my Opentrack bookings were practically the same price as last year?
nickfrog said:
Ah yes I got it, Javelin/Chavlin. A sad attempt indeed. I never found anything particularly chav about Javelin, not that it would bother me. Track days are a broad church, which is part of the appeal.
Call it what you like but the ones I have been at were packed with chavs and had lots of queuing to get on which id rather avoid. There was no action to complaints from the chav wagons either despite speaking to organisers in person on the day rather than 'complaining online afterwards'. I am glad you enjoy them.mikewilliams79 said:
Call it what you like but the ones I have been at were packed with chavs and had lots of queuing to get on which id rather avoid. There was no action to complaints from the chav wagons either despite speaking to organisers in person on the day rather than 'complaining online afterwards'. I am glad you enjoy them.
I do as what you describe never happened to me. I have never queued on a Javelin day either. They are by and large similar to any TDOs in the UK IME. I don't understand the correlation between chav and queuing. Surely queuing is a function of the ratio between number of drivers and track capacity, I don't see how the socio educational demographics have an impact on that. I will however admit I don't really know what a chav is nor if they're is even an agreed definition of a track day chav.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 18th March 08:13
Over many years and many trackdays I've seen no correlation between the standard of cars and standards of trackday driving
In fact I would rather see a crowd of old BMWs and Hondas with big wings and stick on arch extensions than a group of high end race cars at a trackday as the former seem more likely to be friendly and respectful on and off track
My worst trackday experience was many years ago at Silverstone GP where a pair of Carrera Cup race cars turned up complete with massive transporters, mechanics and barriers to cordon off their garages and treated the day as a test day, overtaking wherever they pleased with absolutely no sanction from the organisers (not one of the budget TDOs) who spent a lot of time chatting to them but not about their driving standards!
In fact I would rather see a crowd of old BMWs and Hondas with big wings and stick on arch extensions than a group of high end race cars at a trackday as the former seem more likely to be friendly and respectful on and off track
My worst trackday experience was many years ago at Silverstone GP where a pair of Carrera Cup race cars turned up complete with massive transporters, mechanics and barriers to cordon off their garages and treated the day as a test day, overtaking wherever they pleased with absolutely no sanction from the organisers (not one of the budget TDOs) who spent a lot of time chatting to them but not about their driving standards!
nickfrog said:
mikewilliams79 said:
Call it what you like but the ones I have been at were packed with chavs and had lots of queuing to get on which id rather avoid. There was no action to complaints from the chav wagons either despite speaking to organisers in person on the day rather than 'complaining online afterwards'. I am glad you enjoy them.
I do as what you describe never happened to me. I have never queued on a Javelin day either. They are by and large similar to any TDOs in the UK IME. I don't understand the correlation between chav and queuing. Surely queuing is a function of the ratio between number of drivers and track capacity, I don't see how the socio educational demographics have an impact on that. I will however admit I don't really know what a chav is nor if they're is even an agreed definition of a track day chav.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 18th March 08:13
C70R said:
nickfrog said:
mikewilliams79 said:
Call it what you like but the ones I have been at were packed with chavs and had lots of queuing to get on which id rather avoid. There was no action to complaints from the chav wagons either despite speaking to organisers in person on the day rather than 'complaining online afterwards'. I am glad you enjoy them.
I do as what you describe never happened to me. I have never queued on a Javelin day either. They are by and large similar to any TDOs in the UK IME. I don't understand the correlation between chav and queuing. Surely queuing is a function of the ratio between number of drivers and track capacity, I don't see how the socio educational demographics have an impact on that. I will however admit I don't really know what a chav is nor if they're is even an agreed definition of a track day chav.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 18th March 08:13
It was well organised but also relaxed and straightforward, plus free photography! Although my friends and I would probably be in the 'chav' category in our modest MX5 and GT86's.
I've booked with them again for April at Anglesey so will hopefully enjoy more of the same. Part of the fun is that people from completely different backgrounds in completely different cars all unite over a shared interest.
teeCup said:
Part of the fun is that people from completely different backgrounds in completely different cars all unite over a shared interest.
That's one of the big draws for me - it seems like a shared passion for driving transcends other considerations. Sadly PH seems to be going the other way.teeCup said:
I thought the Javelin event I attended at Donington was the best organised of any track day I have attended, and with the broadest mix of cars. There were lairy old jags, supercars, hot hatches and sports cars all sharing the track and facilities without problem and the vibe in the paddock was great.
It was well organised but also relaxed and straightforward, plus free photography! Although my friends and I would probably be in the 'chav' category in our modest MX5 and GT86's.
I've booked with them again for April at Anglesey so will hopefully enjoy more of the same. Part of the fun is that people from completely different backgrounds in completely different cars all unite over a shared interest.
Been a few years since I've done a track day but, I remember Javellin head-honcho at most of their days being a proper little Rotweiler of a man, very un*approachable and unhelpful. i booked most of my days through MSV direct, and a few with Opentrack .It was well organised but also relaxed and straightforward, plus free photography! Although my friends and I would probably be in the 'chav' category in our modest MX5 and GT86's.
I've booked with them again for April at Anglesey so will hopefully enjoy more of the same. Part of the fun is that people from completely different backgrounds in completely different cars all unite over a shared interest.
Edited by 320d is all you need on Thursday 18th March 11:49
320d is all you need said:
Been a few years since I've done a track day but, I remember Javellin head-honcho at most of their days being a proper little Rotweiler of a man, very un*approachable and unhelpful. i booked most of my days through MSV direct, and a few with Opentrack .
Your comments reveal more about you than him, based on my experience at javelin track days.Edited by 320d is all you need on Thursday 18th March 11:49
320d is all you need said:
I remember Javellin head-honcho at most of their days being a proper little Rotweiler of a man, very un*approachable and unhelpful.
It must be you as I have a good chat with Colin on most events and he is one of the sweetest, warmest and considerate guys in the industry.He is quite literally the exact opposite to what you describe.
Whatever you do, don't have a run in with the main man at MSV though.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 18th March 14:49
nickfrog said:
320d is all you need said:
I remember Javellin head-honcho at most of their days being a proper little Rotweiler of a man, very un*approachable and unhelpful.
It must be you as I have a good chat with Colin on most events and he is one of the sweetest, warmest and considerate guys in the industry.He is quite literally the exact opposite to what you describe.
Whatever you do, don't have a run in with the main man at MSV though.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 18th March 14:49
Completely agree, sorry it must be you, I have had many a chat with Colin on many days & found him exactly the opposite of what you say.
On one occasion upon my arrival he mentioned a noise he had heard on the car. A bit of investigation and I was questioning my diff. He came out up front & said he would rather give me an open ended credit for the day than have me waste my place.
90+% of my days have been Javelin & have had no such issues as those mentioned above, the only issues I have ever had with up-punished issues were at an MSV day which was utter chavtastic bedlam!
Edited by E-bmw on Thursday 18th March 18:34
320d is all you need said:
Yeah, I guess it must be me. :-)
You are doing something odd. Colin and Bob are genuine enthusiasts who fought but failed to keep Binbrook open for stage rallying. Colin's sons are equally enthusiastic. Javelin staff have always been approachable and very helpful to us 
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