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Someone previously asked you what the trackday rules said about overtaking in braking zones and corners, both of which are evidenced in your video, along with aggressive pushing of others through corners. I'm sure we all know what the answer is.
I'm afraid your attitude to the responses (which you asked for) matches your apparent attitude to trackday rules and etiquette. Not good.
I'm afraid your attitude to the responses (which you asked for) matches your apparent attitude to trackday rules and etiquette. Not good.
You're a total Ledge mate! Driving God prowess clear for all to see...what did you win from such an outstanding display of trackday pedalling?! I jest of course sorry to say that you come across quite poorly both in the vid and on your comments here ....like you acknowledge in the last seconds of the video safety is paramount, people of greatly varying abilities attend trackdays you need to give people space and not be bustling them up into braking zones and overtaking through corners. More recent trackdays I've attended in the UK the organizer gives rookies a big X to stick on their boot helps alot I think as faster cars know to give those participants plenty of space etc.
On the point that you were holding people up the TDO was probably wrong on that as you were one of the faster cars out there so prob just a mistake on his part. Please take the advice on here seriously I've been on many trackdays and driving home at the end of the day in one piece is the most important part.
On the point that you were holding people up the TDO was probably wrong on that as you were one of the faster cars out there so prob just a mistake on his part. Please take the advice on here seriously I've been on many trackdays and driving home at the end of the day in one piece is the most important part.
It's just the lack of patience. Some of those overtakes were dodgy and could have ended in an accident easily if the other driver hadn't seen you.
I would absolutely not have appreciated being tailgated through corners and having someone dive bombing me into a corner because I'd been waiting to overtake a slower car courteously and as per the overtaking rules.
You just had a polite talking to asking to modify your behaviour, no big deal, maybe the TDO was wrong about you not letting people through but they were absolutely 100% correct about the aggression.
If you want to drive like that then you need to get a race license.
I would absolutely not have appreciated being tailgated through corners and having someone dive bombing me into a corner because I'd been waiting to overtake a slower car courteously and as per the overtaking rules.
You just had a polite talking to asking to modify your behaviour, no big deal, maybe the TDO was wrong about you not letting people through but they were absolutely 100% correct about the aggression.
If you want to drive like that then you need to get a race license.
OP, your driving is shocking and not appropriate for a track day. You may think you've done nothing wrong, but the consensus is fairly clear. You've had the same response on here as on Facebook and you're either trolling, or extremely arrogant if you can't see you're in the wrong. Stuff like this is precisely the reason I no longer do public or Chavelin days.
I’m with the opinion’s that the OP driving was terrible, but, everyone else does seem to be beyond the normal amount of slow. I mean that GT3RS should be walking away at 5 tenths of its performance.
Last time I went Anglesey in my m140 I was up there with some decent stuff but was overtaking no where near the amount on this video. It’s almost like op is passing everyone on the sighting laps, was it a novice day?
Last time I went Anglesey in my m140 I was up there with some decent stuff but was overtaking no where near the amount on this video. It’s almost like op is passing everyone on the sighting laps, was it a novice day?
OP has put this on farcebook as well, surprised he hasn't been torn a new on on there yet too.
Too close to the car in front.
Too many close passes.
Three abreast on a TD is a general no-no.
Crossing the pit exit line without looking.
Bullying other cars.
Terrible wheel control and technique, I don't care about your "injury" if the car had snapped there was no way you where catching it, sit closer, you are not cruzin down da strip mate!
The Traction Control saved you more than once and probably more than you would admit to.
Music - One should never have music on, if your car suddenly develops a bad noise you wont hear it.
Passenger would have been ejected for that laugh alone.
All this is posted as someone who has done well over 2000 laps of Anglesey and as an "racing driver" there are others on the thread critiquing your driving, you wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual race and I am surprised the TDO didn't send you home if your driving didn't improve.
It's a trackday not a time trial if someone wants to be out there nowhere near the limit that is up to them, not you.
Too close to the car in front.
Too many close passes.
Three abreast on a TD is a general no-no.
Crossing the pit exit line without looking.
Bullying other cars.
Terrible wheel control and technique, I don't care about your "injury" if the car had snapped there was no way you where catching it, sit closer, you are not cruzin down da strip mate!
The Traction Control saved you more than once and probably more than you would admit to.
Music - One should never have music on, if your car suddenly develops a bad noise you wont hear it.
Passenger would have been ejected for that laugh alone.
All this is posted as someone who has done well over 2000 laps of Anglesey and as an "racing driver" there are others on the thread critiquing your driving, you wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual race and I am surprised the TDO didn't send you home if your driving didn't improve.
It's a trackday not a time trial if someone wants to be out there nowhere near the limit that is up to them, not you.
geeks said:
OP has put this on farcebook as well, surprised he hasn't been torn a new on on there yet too.
Too close to the car in front.
Too many close passes.
Three abreast on a TD is a general no-no.
Crossing the pit exit line without looking.
Bullying other cars.
Terrible wheel control and technique, I don't care about your "injury" if the car had snapped there was no way you where catching it, sit closer, you are not cruzin down da strip mate!
The Traction Control saved you more than once and probably more than you would admit to.
Music - One should never have music on, if your car suddenly develops a bad noise you wont hear it.
Passenger would have been ejected for that laugh alone.
All this is posted as someone who has done well over 2000 laps of Anglesey and as an "racing driver" there are others on the thread critiquing your driving, you wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual race and I am surprised the TDO didn't send you home if your driving didn't improve.
It's a trackday not a time trial if someone wants to be out there nowhere near the limit that is up to them, not you.
Indeed. I suspect there are many who just want to drive their cars somewhat faster, than they can legally on a public road. Too close to the car in front.
Too many close passes.
Three abreast on a TD is a general no-no.
Crossing the pit exit line without looking.
Bullying other cars.
Terrible wheel control and technique, I don't care about your "injury" if the car had snapped there was no way you where catching it, sit closer, you are not cruzin down da strip mate!
The Traction Control saved you more than once and probably more than you would admit to.
Music - One should never have music on, if your car suddenly develops a bad noise you wont hear it.
Passenger would have been ejected for that laugh alone.
All this is posted as someone who has done well over 2000 laps of Anglesey and as an "racing driver" there are others on the thread critiquing your driving, you wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual race and I am surprised the TDO didn't send you home if your driving didn't improve.
It's a trackday not a time trial if someone wants to be out there nowhere near the limit that is up to them, not you.
Which is why on some tracks including the Nürburgring, all types of cars / bikes can be found circulating. If people want to drive fast, against other drivers, they should just do an ARDS course, and go racing with like minded punters.
By no means the worst I've seen on track days having done 20 years, but definitely in the bottom (or top) 1/3 for having the wrong attitude.
If I'd been on the track with you I'd have expected to have seen you black flagged and if you hadn't been after a couple of sessions, I'd have been having a chat with the TDO myself to have a word.
I wouldn't expect blue flags unless you'd been tacking behind someone for a lap or more.
What time of day was this ?
Way too aggressive. Some people will drive slow because of their ability, some are still learning the track, some just want to drive a little more spirited but not to the limit of their car or themselves, others are more nervous about being able to drive home their pride and joy at the end of the day. Driving like that will eventually lead to close calls or a coming together....I expect you'd then be shouting about the other driver but high likelyhood you would be the cause by taking unnecessary risks.
Just calm it down 10% & you'll still have fun
If I'd been on the track with you I'd have expected to have seen you black flagged and if you hadn't been after a couple of sessions, I'd have been having a chat with the TDO myself to have a word.
I wouldn't expect blue flags unless you'd been tacking behind someone for a lap or more.
What time of day was this ?
Way too aggressive. Some people will drive slow because of their ability, some are still learning the track, some just want to drive a little more spirited but not to the limit of their car or themselves, others are more nervous about being able to drive home their pride and joy at the end of the day. Driving like that will eventually lead to close calls or a coming together....I expect you'd then be shouting about the other driver but high likelyhood you would be the cause by taking unnecessary risks.
Just calm it down 10% & you'll still have fun
Glenn63 said:
I’m with the opinion’s that the OP driving was terrible, but, everyone else does seem to be beyond the normal amount of slow. I mean that GT3RS should be walking away at 5 tenths of its performance.
Last time I went Anglesey in my m140 I was up there with some decent stuff but was overtaking no where near the amount on this video. It’s almost like op is passing everyone on the sighting laps, was it a novice day?
It's one thing to buy a car, but another to be able to drive it.Last time I went Anglesey in my m140 I was up there with some decent stuff but was overtaking no where near the amount on this video. It’s almost like op is passing everyone on the sighting laps, was it a novice day?
There are fast drivers going slow because they're stuck in underpowered cars and slow drivers in cars capable way beyond their abilities. They all have a place on a track if everyone is patient.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Indeed. I suspect there are many who just want to drive their cars somewhat faster, than they can legally on a public road.
Which is why on some tracks including the Nürburgring, all types of cars / bikes can be found circulating. If people want to drive fast, against other drivers, they should just do an ARDS course, and go racing with like minded punters.
I'm guessing some on this thread must have driven on Nurburgring tourist days? If any of the driving on this video scares you then don't drive at the ring where all manner of vehicles are flying by you at far greater speeds, on a narrower track with zero run-off, and a potential pile-up blocking the track around the next blind corner.Which is why on some tracks including the Nürburgring, all types of cars / bikes can be found circulating. If people want to drive fast, against other drivers, they should just do an ARDS course, and go racing with like minded punters.
The guy from Javelin would have had a radio message from Race Control about reports from marshals on post noting your driving behaviour. The message has got confused that is all. What has not got confused is the aggressive driving. You are not the race leader lapping cars, you lunged most cars as soon as you arrived, there was no chance for "Track day" blue flags to be waved let alone moan that they were not used.
Absolutely your driving was aggressive and I would have been having the same word. The TDO's job is, to keep everyone safe on circuit. You were most definitely complicating their day.
You were fortunate no one decided to run you wide on corner exit.
Absolutely your driving was aggressive and I would have been having the same word. The TDO's job is, to keep everyone safe on circuit. You were most definitely complicating their day.
You were fortunate no one decided to run you wide on corner exit.
I watched the video.
OP, the fact you’re having to ask for feedback and seemingly defending yourself just tells me you don’t understand track days. If no change, you will keep getting back flagged / asked to leave track days. Everyone else sharing a track with you will think “good”.
Maybe try an airfield / timed sprint event.
If might be more your thing.
OP, the fact you’re having to ask for feedback and seemingly defending yourself just tells me you don’t understand track days. If no change, you will keep getting back flagged / asked to leave track days. Everyone else sharing a track with you will think “good”.
Maybe try an airfield / timed sprint event.
If might be more your thing.
I though the TDO representative was polite and concise. Not for a moment was there any indication of heavy-handedness, or throwing the OP out of the event.
FWIW I know very good, able, highly experienced track day drivers who, on occasion, have been black flagged. It's normally either for being a bit too sideways or track limits - a slide through a chicane or corner exit triggers the sensors (used for racing) and alerts race control. They all take the advice in the spirit it is offered and acknowledge their behaviour and responsibilities.
Not being able to take criticism subjectively is another issue entirely.
FWIW I know very good, able, highly experienced track day drivers who, on occasion, have been black flagged. It's normally either for being a bit too sideways or track limits - a slide through a chicane or corner exit triggers the sensors (used for racing) and alerts race control. They all take the advice in the spirit it is offered and acknowledge their behaviour and responsibilities.
Not being able to take criticism subjectively is another issue entirely.
OP asks for opinion
About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 17th June 13:07
Canon_Fodder said:
I've always been put off doing track days as I presumed this type of driving would be the norm.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see from the general comments that the accepted standard is much more civilised
Unfortunately you do occasionally get self-important bellends who think they're sI'm pleasantly surprised to see from the general comments that the accepted standard is much more civilised
t-hot and treat other participants with distain but as you have seen from the OP's twelve minutes that those people quite often get their ears bent. HustleRussell said:
OP asks for opinion
About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
Also if you watch his other videos this wasn't a one off. Flashing people out of the way.... etc etc. More of the same. About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 17th June 13:07
HustleRussell said:
OP asks for opinion
About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
Yes I liked that too. “Don’t care if they send me home” … “ooh sorry, sorry, safety is paramount, sorry”About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 17th June 13:07
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