Opinions... Trackday, was I treated fairly?
Discussion
Olivera said:
I'm guessing some on this thread must have driven on Nurburgring tourist days? If any of the driving on this video scares you then don't drive at the ring where all manner of vehicles are flying by you at far greater speeds, on a narrower track with zero run-off, and a potential pile-up blocking the track around the next blind corner.
Castle Combe Action Days scare me more than Nurburgring Touristenfahrten days 
But then I've not had to take avoiding action at the Ring when some knob-jockey decides to overtake up the inside in a braking zone.
...and I love the Ring in the wet...it's quiet and you get to see similar knob-jockeys sliding into the barriers
HustleRussell said:
OP asks for opinion
About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
You should see the kicking he is getting on farcebook About 30 people unanimously agree
OP rejects the opinions, flounces from the thread and doesn't learn a thing?
ETA: Love how passive OP was in his interaction with the official- appeared to be basically contrite. Has now gone all 'driving god' on the internet.
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 17th June 13:07
the thread is pretty much as per here (bar a few have a go heroes) and many memes about divebombing 911's that are on cool down laps. Apparently its still everyone else's fault for not using their mirrors, turning up with all the gear and having no clue about how to drive etc etc.Gotta hand it to the OP there, in for a penny and all that!
geeks said:
OP has put this on farcebook as well, surprised he hasn't been torn a new on on there yet too.
Too close to the car in front.
Too many close passes.
Three abreast on a TD is a general no-no.
Crossing the pit exit line without looking.
Bullying other cars.
Terrible wheel control and technique, I don't care about your "injury" if the car had snapped there was no way you where catching it, sit closer, you are not cruzin down da strip mate!
The Traction Control saved you more than once and probably more than you would admit to.
Music - One should never have music on, if your car suddenly develops a bad noise you wont hear it.
Passenger would have been ejected for that laugh alone.
All this is posted as someone who has done well over 2000 laps of Anglesey and as an "racing driver" there are others on the thread critiquing your driving, you wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual race and I am surprised the TDO didn't send you home if your driving didn't improve.
It's a trackday not a time trial if someone wants to be out there nowhere near the limit that is up to them, not you.
Thanks for the feedbackToo close to the car in front.
Too many close passes.
Three abreast on a TD is a general no-no.
Crossing the pit exit line without looking.
Bullying other cars.
Terrible wheel control and technique, I don't care about your "injury" if the car had snapped there was no way you where catching it, sit closer, you are not cruzin down da strip mate!
The Traction Control saved you more than once and probably more than you would admit to.
Music - One should never have music on, if your car suddenly develops a bad noise you wont hear it.
Passenger would have been ejected for that laugh alone.
All this is posted as someone who has done well over 2000 laps of Anglesey and as an "racing driver" there are others on the thread critiquing your driving, you wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual race and I am surprised the TDO didn't send you home if your driving didn't improve.
It's a trackday not a time trial if someone wants to be out there nowhere near the limit that is up to them, not you.
3 abreast isn't in the rules, or briefing. TC was switched off fully. You nor I could drive that car round that track with hands at 10 & 2.
Kellerman said:
Hi all,
I'd like some feedback on a trackday at Anglesey following a black flag incident.
I was in a 2005 Audi A4 diesel estate, full interior, stock engine, **** tyres, towbar on the back. I've only been to Anglesey twice before and am still learning the track.
After my stint, I was politely told by the TDO I was "too aggressive" and "wasn't moving over for people", but there was nobody behind me the whole 8 lap stint. The only thing I can think of was coming past the pit wall with a GT3RS right behind me... but as you can see on the video, I'd just overtaken him. Ditto the other 911, the Megane IV RS, the VX220, the M3. They were only behind me after being overtaken. So why was I "not letting people through"? Seems an odd complaint.
Question 1) I've looked back over the video and not seen a single blue flag (I could be wrong). Shouldn't the marshalls have been doing this to let me through? Why were they actively doing it with other cars, but not mine? There was a couple of Ariel Atoms on what looked like a similar pace to me, getting waved through at every opporunity.
Question 2) Should people be backing off, and moving over to the right to let me through? I spectated, and many did this for other cars. I also spent 3 whole laps up close behind a Caterfield as an experiment and it would not move. Is that fair?
This isn't a pop at the TDO I am just trying to make sense of it all and learn from it. Admittedly my patience could be better, but it's hard to overtake on the big straights when I'm in a lardy diesel estate. Stupid car to track, I know.
Video here
The move at 3:10 deserves to get you black flagged alone if not throwing offI'd like some feedback on a trackday at Anglesey following a black flag incident.
I was in a 2005 Audi A4 diesel estate, full interior, stock engine, **** tyres, towbar on the back. I've only been to Anglesey twice before and am still learning the track.
After my stint, I was politely told by the TDO I was "too aggressive" and "wasn't moving over for people", but there was nobody behind me the whole 8 lap stint. The only thing I can think of was coming past the pit wall with a GT3RS right behind me... but as you can see on the video, I'd just overtaken him. Ditto the other 911, the Megane IV RS, the VX220, the M3. They were only behind me after being overtaken. So why was I "not letting people through"? Seems an odd complaint.
Question 1) I've looked back over the video and not seen a single blue flag (I could be wrong). Shouldn't the marshalls have been doing this to let me through? Why were they actively doing it with other cars, but not mine? There was a couple of Ariel Atoms on what looked like a similar pace to me, getting waved through at every opporunity.
Question 2) Should people be backing off, and moving over to the right to let me through? I spectated, and many did this for other cars. I also spent 3 whole laps up close behind a Caterfield as an experiment and it would not move. Is that fair?
This isn't a pop at the TDO I am just trying to make sense of it all and learn from it. Admittedly my patience could be better, but it's hard to overtake on the big straights when I'm in a lardy diesel estate. Stupid car to track, I know.
Video here
Edited by Kellerman on Friday 17th June 00:28
At 8:40 the pass on the BMW, again , appalling, and you do the same pass later on the 911, at around 10:15
At 10:26 you dive down the inside of the Clio
11:05 you dive into the chicane to go past the Alfa who no doubt spotted you in the mirrors and saved both of your cars
Is there not rules in the briefing which state overtaking on the straight , not in corners or braking zones?
In conjunction with the previous moves mentioned, and generally sitting 2 inches away from the bumper of the car infront, overtaking inappropriately etc if I was a track day organiser I would not be welcoming you back onto my day
Despite the fact you driving like a cock your lap times of around 1:28-1:30 are around 5 seconds slower than a tuned up MX5
Stay away from track before you kill someone or yourself - I can't imagine circuits are a place for someone with an ego such as yours
Yes poor attitude on track and here.
Track days are not race days. People are enjoying their cars and it’s really on a race with themselves as they learn the lines. You think you are clever by found those overtakes… you are not. You are overtaking people that are not racing and are with a different mindset to yours.
As you drive along you catch slower cars but on track days you should respect what people are doing there, not act like it’s a race. It’s dangerous and not what tract days are about. You obviously take pleasure on showing you are the “man”… except if you actually took part in a proper race you would crap your pants!
Enjoy the track days for what they are, plenty of good advice here. If biting for you go and race. You won’t last long racing.
Track days are not race days. People are enjoying their cars and it’s really on a race with themselves as they learn the lines. You think you are clever by found those overtakes… you are not. You are overtaking people that are not racing and are with a different mindset to yours.
As you drive along you catch slower cars but on track days you should respect what people are doing there, not act like it’s a race. It’s dangerous and not what tract days are about. You obviously take pleasure on showing you are the “man”… except if you actually took part in a proper race you would crap your pants!
Enjoy the track days for what they are, plenty of good advice here. If biting for you go and race. You won’t last long racing.
If anyone wants to know why track insurance has got so hard to get and expensive, this is why.
There’s always the odd meat head ego monster on a trackday, you just have to identify them early and actively avoid. You can usually start to tell from the signing on queue and the cafe.
OP: Let me know where you are on track next. I’ll cancel if I need to.
There’s always the odd meat head ego monster on a trackday, you just have to identify them early and actively avoid. You can usually start to tell from the signing on queue and the cafe.
OP: Let me know where you are on track next. I’ll cancel if I need to.
Mad Scientist said:
If anyone wants to know why track insurance has got so hard to get and expensive, this is why.
There’s always the odd meat head ego monster on a trackday, you just have to identify them early and actively avoid. You can usually start to tell from the signing on queue and the cafe.
OP: Let me know where you are on track next. I’ll cancel if I need to.
I'd say people who crash into other people, or barriers are more dangerous? Poor car control, poor lines, driving beyond their ability?There’s always the odd meat head ego monster on a trackday, you just have to identify them early and actively avoid. You can usually start to tell from the signing on queue and the cafe.
OP: Let me know where you are on track next. I’ll cancel if I need to.
I am none of these things.
Kellerman said:
I'd say people who crash into other people, or barriers are more dangerous? Poor car control, poor lines, driving beyond their ability?
I am none of these things.
I would argue that your car control, technique and lines are all pretty suspect.I am none of these things.
More likely however that you would cause a shunt, rather than having the shunt yourself. This is Sod’s law to the people you are sharing space with.
I think the OP feels he is an undiscovered racing hero. The very first post was “I was in a slow car but still I was too fast”. It was clearly a very novice track day and you need to give novices a lot of room.
On a higher ability day you could be more aggressive and racy but you wouldn’t be catching other cars as they would be going much quicker.
The OP driving did not look particularly skilled or quick….just quicker than the novices and the TDO was right to. Give a cool it warning before a novice got t boned.
Any driver that thinks they are a track day driving god can be assured that they most likely are not at all.
On a higher ability day you could be more aggressive and racy but you wouldn’t be catching other cars as they would be going much quicker.
The OP driving did not look particularly skilled or quick….just quicker than the novices and the TDO was right to. Give a cool it warning before a novice got t boned.
Any driver that thinks they are a track day driving god can be assured that they most likely are not at all.
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