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e46m3c said:
17k for a track car. Got to we weatherproof, roof or roll bar. Driven not trailed. Bonus points for use ability.
Suggestions?
I just did my first in my 2015 Fiesta ST, its had a few mods to 300 bhp, an LSD and a few other bits, seemed to keep up with a Cayman S without much bother which surprised me. Its a pretty useful car day to day, I took the rear seats out for the track day to carry my wheels, plus it reduced weight a little and need to transport some stuff to the tip and pick up some building materials, its a Fiesta at the end of the day, most 2 seaters are arse all use for most stuff having had a few, our 350Z roadster, well, you could deliver a pizza with that boot, wouldnt get more than one wheel in.Suggestions?
Clio 200's seems very quick for the power, and Civic Type R's, a lot of them out and they were very quick.
The chap I went with has a stripped out MX5 NC, not that ballistic in a straight line but there wasnt much faster at stopping or cornering, brakes still standard size if not pads and disks.
Depends whether you definitely want RWD or will entertain FWD, would say the lighter the better.
Ok trackday complete in the c63 and it’s def not doing another.
Far to heavy on the tyres without serious camber adjustment which I’m not willing to do on my daily.
Went out in a 911 (thanks John) and it was mega. So much for the 17k budget!
Far to heavy on the tyres without serious camber adjustment which I’m not willing to do on my daily.
Went out in a 911 (thanks John) and it was mega. So much for the 17k budget!
Edited by e46m3c on Wednesday 3rd May 12:49
e46m3c said:
Ok trackday complete in the c63 and it’s def doing doing another.
Far to heavy on the tyres without serious camber adjustment which I’m not willing to do on my daily.
Went out in a 911 (thanks John) and it was mega. So much for the 17k budget!
You may find you can make a compromise camber adjustment to suit both. Far to heavy on the tyres without serious camber adjustment which I’m not willing to do on my daily.
Went out in a 911 (thanks John) and it was mega. So much for the 17k budget!
You need someone who knows what he is doing.
My TVR expert adjusted my TVR, and a fairly small amount of extra camber made all the difference on track but is by no means a full race car camber.
But in mainly road use it doesn't wear the inside edges either.
Heavier cars will always be harder on consumables than lighter cars.
brillomaster said:
just bought a nice 2005 porsche boxster S, which even with decent track tyres and brakes installed should see change from ten grand.
arguably better balanced than a 911, and though it won't be as fast along the straights, 280bhp is plenty.
Good choice. I take my 2008 on track a few times a year and it really is a delight to drive. You will love the howl from the flat six.arguably better balanced than a 911, and though it won't be as fast along the straights, 280bhp is plenty.
I have a spare set of wheels with a set of Toyo R888’s and a set of Ferodo DS2500’s that I slip in for Track Days.
I am aware of oil starvation on Long hi rev, left handers. The problem is allegedly debatable. Easy to drive around, if you do find a track with a long left-hander, just change aup and keep the revs lower. Apart from that, I use a Millers 10–50 racing oil and Bobs your uncle!
e46m3c said:
I was looking at m2’s earlier as a bit of scope creep and is it right they are 1600kg? How have they managed that.
Ridiculous isn't it? I don't know if it's a purely Yorkshire thing, but seeing the amount of M2/3/4 around here with rear discs that are marked/scored to hell because the drivers A) can't modulate throttle input and B) won't dare turn the traction control off is brilliant. The front discs are good as new most of the time! 
I'm going to come out of leftfield with this.
I've been using my 208 GTI by peugeot sport ( yep silly name but that bps bit is key)
It's done 2 track days so far and been absolutely fault less. And it very capable, very few cars were catching and passing me at thruxton last Tuesday. Punches well above it's weight.
The BPS model is quite different from a vanilla gti.
You get from factory
LSD
320mm brembo 4 pots
Stiffer suspension
Wider track
Different size larger/wider wheels
Real nice bucket seats.
My car has a remap (previous owner).
Larger intercooler
Short shifter
And carbon Lorraine rc5+ pads for track work, there to much on the road.
You can pick up leggy one sub 10k. And low mileage minters upto £15k.
For me it's a really nice balance as it's very economic for the performance. I managed to average 44mpg up to brands last year keeping up with my buddies in commuter traffic. And used 2 tanks doing 175 miles on track then another 50 odd home. It's light enough not to hammer the tyres and brakes on track. But modern enough to cruise home listing to radio 4 and unwinding.
https://youtu.be/bz6uFDckga4
Video from Tuesday.
I've been using my 208 GTI by peugeot sport ( yep silly name but that bps bit is key)
It's done 2 track days so far and been absolutely fault less. And it very capable, very few cars were catching and passing me at thruxton last Tuesday. Punches well above it's weight.
The BPS model is quite different from a vanilla gti.
You get from factory
LSD
320mm brembo 4 pots
Stiffer suspension
Wider track
Different size larger/wider wheels
Real nice bucket seats.
My car has a remap (previous owner).
Larger intercooler
Short shifter
And carbon Lorraine rc5+ pads for track work, there to much on the road.
You can pick up leggy one sub 10k. And low mileage minters upto £15k.
For me it's a really nice balance as it's very economic for the performance. I managed to average 44mpg up to brands last year keeping up with my buddies in commuter traffic. And used 2 tanks doing 175 miles on track then another 50 odd home. It's light enough not to hammer the tyres and brakes on track. But modern enough to cruise home listing to radio 4 and unwinding.
https://youtu.be/bz6uFDckga4
Video from Tuesday.
e46m3c said:
Went out in a 911 (thanks John) and it was mega. So much for the 17k budget!
I've been beaten to it but was going to say you'd be better off on track with a Boxster or Cayman. Better handling and lower weight. I've had Caymans and a 911 and the 911 was a big disappointment in comparison. That's just me though 
Dunc.
e46m3c said:
Been looking at caymans. Dfi engine ones seem to be 20k plus tho.
I much prefer the look of a 981 but they seem to be 30k.
The pug is really a really great car didn’t know about and would be in the list for fwd. is there a 4dr version?
They don't do a 4 door, version but you could look at the 308 gti BPS. However these are softer setup and quiet Abit heavier. They do have 270bhp to make up for it tho. I much prefer the look of a 981 but they seem to be 30k.
The pug is really a really great car didn’t know about and would be in the list for fwd. is there a 4dr version?
Here's a nice 208, I like the color too
. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14859759
there pretty rare I think something like 400 in the UK. They were a fair chunk more than a fiesta st with the bps kit when new.
There also the older 30th edition which was a 1 year only limited edition. It's the same specs as the later bps. But with the pre facelift front end.
There was a revision to the thp engines I'm not sure if the 30th has the earlier one or not but all the bps I believe have the latest engine which is supposed to be more reliable. And About 5bhp more. Although like any modern Engine there not bad. It's the same engine as came in the early 1.6 minis
You could also look at the ds3 Performance which is the same car underneath. But there even rarer. And a Abit heavier, approx 100kg
I've got a 6 year old, and a spaniel. And the bps is fine on weekend duties. There's enough room for us anyway.
Here's a 308.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14971872
I can't actually find a ds3 Performance for sale.
bumskins said:
e46m3c said:
I was looking at m2’s earlier as a bit of scope creep and is it right they are 1600kg? How have they managed that.
Ridiculous isn't it? I don't know if it's a purely Yorkshire thing, but seeing the amount of M2/3/4 around here with rear discs that are marked/scored to hell because the drivers A) can't modulate throttle input and B) won't dare turn the traction control off is brilliant. The front discs are good as new most of the time! e46m3c said:
As cool as the pugs are I’m gonna stick to rwd I think
Also think I’ve narrowed down to 140 or cayman a gen 2
Same price but one is 7 years newer lol. Gen 1 cayman bork factor puts me off.
That's it now I'll make it my mission to hunt you down. On a track day Also think I’ve narrowed down to 140 or cayman a gen 2
Same price but one is 7 years newer lol. Gen 1 cayman bork factor puts me off.
Just messing! if you have the budget cayman all day long. The little bps was passing 140s at brands last year. with a decent pedler I think I'd struggle to keep up with one unless it was a really tight circuit.
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