Anglesey Circuit has banned all EVs/Hybrids from trackdays

[Evanivitch]

0a said:

Surprised they need to - does anyone really try and bore themselves silly doing a track day in an EV?

We know historically that people hate responsive drivetrains and 4 wheel torque control, it's why the Nissan GTR was always so unpopular.

[Pebbles167]

LivLL said:

Again, it all stems from one post on one persons Facebook page. Nothing from the circuit, on their website or socials at all.

If you see anything official I'd love to see it that's all.

You're right, I can't see anything official anywhere.

Surprised they are sharing it if they haven't heard it official, surely they know someone who works at the circuit amd could check? Doesn't help Anglesey circuit seems to be using a temporary website at the moment which makes navigation tricky.

[andyj007]

so no hybrid mclarens , porsches etc etc.. love it. electric cars dont belong on track.. as a daily loacl run around chatrged at home they are brilliant and cheap, as for any other journeys // they are a reinvention of a round wheel to a sqaure one.. (i have an ev btw for local drives , if i had to use the charging network i certainly would not have one .. uk is in a terible mismangged orgainsed corrupt mess with no solution .. ..

[Clivey]

C70R said:

Imagine being an adult and posting stuff like this.

I'd be more embarrassed than you seem to be.

I was poking fun but evidently you think humour is only appropriate when you're the one making the stupid comments (e.g. calling everyone that dislikes EVs a grumpy old man). Newsflash: I work with plenty of 20-somethings in Motorsport and none of them are lusting after a laptop on wheels. Drive past in a '90s JDM coupe though and you've got their full attention.

I do find it absolutely pathetic how zealous the EV fanboys are and how quickly they spam threads whenever someone raises a negative point about the vehicles though. - It's almost as if your job is to shut down or drown-out any negativity.

Whether or not any individual case of a vehicle fire was caused by a faulty or damaged EV battery, the potential seriousness of any fire in or around an EV means that the issue simply cannot be swept under the carpet. It's the same as if you have a vehicle carrying a particularly hazardous load. I myself have been in an enclosed space where a lithium battery spontaneously combusted and I can assure you it's not something I ever want to experience again regardless of the cause. I'd rather deal with a fossil fuel fire any day of the week!

[MrBig]

My guess when I read about this is probably about managing high voltage systems in the event of a crash? Marshalls and recovery crew not being HV trained and it's not deemed economically viable to send them all on the relevant training courses? Insurers have specified certain equipment must be in place to contain an EV fire and it's too expensive?

[1781cc]

C70R said:

No, it's definitely not that. Unless you're a bit dense.

I was clearly joking

[Clivey]

MrBig said:

My guess when I read about this is probably about managing high voltage systems in the event of a crash? Marshalls and recovery crew not being HV trained and it's not deemed economically viable to send them all on the relevant training courses? Insurers have specified certain equipment must be in place to contain an EV fire and it's too expensive?

Whilst both will be an issue, I suspect the equipment needed would be especially extensive and expensive.

Also, typically if an ICE car catches fire whilst on circuit, usually the driver manages to pull it off the track itself. That may not be the case with an EV and due to the nature of fighting an EV fire, it's easy to imagine significant damage to the track surface and/or facilities being much more likely.

I'd be prepared to fight a moderate fuel fire but I'd be dragging others away from a lithium battery fire. This is the one that happened in the paddock whilst a car was charging at Lydden Hill and the team lost their entire transporter / awning, both cars and a load of equipment. When was the last time you saw a fire this serious at a circuit?

[CKY]

1781cc said:

C70R said:

No, it's definitely not that. Unless you're a bit dense.

I was clearly joking

Seems to struggle comprehending 'sarcasm', which given it's renowned as the lowest form of wit speaks volumes about the poster. As the kids around here say, "he's a bit 'spergy".

[charltjr]

Why can so few people on here debate the issue without resorting to personal insults or implication of neurodiversity?

There’s just no need for it. Play the ball, not the person.

[Wh00sher]

Because it's Pistonheads and sadly a lot of discussions descend into personal attacks and spoil good threads

I can see why Anglesey have made this decision. At the moment, it's probably not worth the time, effort, money and risk. The number of EV'S compared to ICE cars on trackdays is small and they can afford run without them.

A 'normal' car fire on a trackday can usually be put out and the day continue for everyone else. An EV typically burns longer and would likely put an end the day.

[robscot]

Lordbenny said:

What caused the fire is inconsequential, the fact if the matter was that there were a LOT of burning EVs in the car park that could not be contained and that resulted in the whole £20,000,000 car park burning for days with all the cars inside being written off!

Go on, pop your sources up .... that are not nut job right wing grift blogs / youtubes / etc

[ATG]

Clivey said:

C70R said:

Imagine being an adult and posting stuff like this.

I'd be more embarrassed than you seem to be.

I was poking fun but evidently you think humour is only appropriate when you're the one making the stupid comments (e.g. calling everyone that dislikes EVs a grumpy old man). Newsflash: I work with plenty of 20-somethings in Motorsport and none of them are lusting after a laptop on wheels. Drive past in a '90s JDM coupe though and you've got their full attention.

I do find it absolutely pathetic how zealous the EV fanboys are and how quickly they spam threads whenever someone raises a negative point about the vehicles though. - It's almost as if your job is to shut down or drown-out any negativity.

Whether or not any individual case of a vehicle fire was caused by a faulty or damaged EV battery, the potential seriousness of any fire in or around an EV means that the issue simply cannot be swept under the carpet. It's the same as if you have a vehicle carrying a particularly hazardous load. I myself have been in an enclosed space where a lithium battery spontaneously combusted and I can assure you it's not something I ever want to experience again regardless of the cause. I'd rather deal with a fossil fuel fire any day of the week!

I believe the expression in modern parlance is "melt" (I'm almost certainly talking about what happens to the battery, but then again ...)

[Limpet]

Has it been made clear anywhere whether the ban is an outright one as far as the circuit goes, or whether it only applies to public track days?

[E-bmw]

ATG said:

Clivey said:

C70R said:

Imagine being an adult and posting stuff like this.

I'd be more embarrassed than you seem to be.

I was poking fun but evidently you think humour is only appropriate when you're the one making the stupid comments (e.g. calling everyone that dislikes EVs a grumpy old man). Newsflash: I work with plenty of 20-somethings in Motorsport and none of them are lusting after a laptop on wheels. Drive past in a '90s JDM coupe though and you've got their full attention.

I do find it absolutely pathetic how zealous the EV fanboys are and how quickly they spam threads whenever someone raises a negative point about the vehicles though. - It's almost as if your job is to shut down or drown-out any negativity.

Whether or not any individual case of a vehicle fire was caused by a faulty or damaged EV battery, the potential seriousness of any fire in or around an EV means that the issue simply cannot be swept under the carpet. It's the same as if you have a vehicle carrying a particularly hazardous load. I myself have been in an enclosed space where a lithium battery spontaneously combusted and I can assure you it's not something I ever want to experience again regardless of the cause. I'd rather deal with a fossil fuel fire any day of the week!

I believe the expression in modern parlance is "melt" (I'm almost certainly talking about what happens to the battery, but then again ...)

Not 100% certain, but I don't think that lithium batteries melt, they self-generate their own oxygen when combusted hence the fierce burn of a battery fire on an EV, which is likely the crux of the issue.

[Om]

A bit more info - https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/a...

[PinkHouse]

Om said:

A bit more info - https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/a...

“We can’t just push a car into the sea (as some internet commentators have suggested),” said Freeman. - General Manager, Anglesey Circuit

[PRO 5T]

PinkHouse said:

Om said:

A bit more info - https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/news-articles/a...

“We can’t just push a car into the sea (as some internet commentators have suggested),” said Freeman. - General Manager, Anglesey Circuit

mmm-five said:

But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

[mmm-five]

Of course they can't JUST push it into the sea...I was suggesting they use a tractor/telehandler/snatch/manitou/JCB/etc to do so!

Sorry Annette

Edited by mmm-five on Friday 19th January 17:28

[Ej1749]

mmm-five said:

But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

Hahaha! Very good point!

[Ej1749]

Please hurl abuse at me and all the jokes you can about EV's as I love it and find it hilarious!!!

Question, does anyone know of any tracks with onsite EV charging, to take part in track days? I can only find Silverstone at the moment.
Don't worry, I am petrol head, but I have a Model 3 Performance as well. I just wanna find a track to see how good or bad it is. After seeing the video of the model 3 and the new GT3 RS do an almost identical lap time, I think it will do alright. I just need to find tracks with chargers or superchargers right near the entrance of the track.

If anyone is wanting to know what video - Type in "World’s Fastest Tesla vs GT3RS" into YouTube on the channel "Donut". I can't post links or pics as I'm new and I have to wait 14 days apparently.

I know the dangers of Lithium Ion batteries, but I am somewhat of an ex racing driver and used to be on the same karting team as Alex Albon and the Vanderpumps - I still never understood how he dominated every race. I assumed his kart had a larger carburettor haha, used to share hotel rooms with him when I was younger when we travelled the country to races. However, I am not immune to crashes and I get that its not even always me, it could be someone else causing the crash.

Small story in case I have any fellow Karters from 2008 - 2011-2012. I was based at PFI with Mick Barratt Racing, as its about 8 miles from my house and I was there when Hamilton did his visit.

Anyone on here karting in 2009ish will remember Albon in KF2's and the Vanderpump brothers. Albon was younger than me... I was the newbie, without any experience who was new and although I dominate all turn up and go karts without fail (I was never gunna be anywhere near the boys who had been doing it since they were 8 - 10 years old, I was st compared to Albon and the Vanderpumps, I did get better, with training from Mick Barrett and his son over the years to around mid pack. I had the natural ability in a car and kart even at 14 (Illegally, taking my Dads Vantage out at aged 14 to show my mate how to drift, but I was never gunna be anything special.

My small claim to fame is a YouTube video of someone saying its impossible to drift a front wheel drive around roundabouts... I then proceeded to do a video of me doing about 6 laps around a roundabout sideways, plant it in first gear, pull the hand brake to let it swing out and do not let off the throttle.

Apologies, if you simply do not give a st, but I thought I would do it for anyone that is remotely interested. Albon - if you read this, you know who I am (I know he wont be reading this)

But yeah, chargers on site at race tracks?

Edited by Ej1749 on Friday 19th January 19:16