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Without meaning to be rude op it sounds like you are a bit attached to your current employer so you are giving them too much slack. If the new firm wants you and will give you a significantly better deal then stop prevaricating and make the move before they withdraw the offer.
The current company sound like they might be stringing you along with vague promises of cake in the future at some point.
Also if you take the new job and in 18 months you want to be nearer home you will be a better placed to apply for an even better job.
Like I said no offence meant and its easier for me to say then for you to do; but make this new job yours asap, don't worry about the old company too much - be concerned with your future.
The current company sound like they might be stringing you along with vague promises of cake in the future at some point.
Also if you take the new job and in 18 months you want to be nearer home you will be a better placed to apply for an even better job.
Like I said no offence meant and its easier for me to say then for you to do; but make this new job yours asap, don't worry about the old company too much - be concerned with your future.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Without meaning to be rude op it sounds like you are a bit attached to your current employer so you are giving them too much slack. If the new firm wants you and will give you a significantly better deal then stop prevaricating and make the move before they withdraw the offer.
The current company sound like they might be stringing you along with vague promises of cake in the future at some point.
Also if you take the new job and in 18 months you want to be nearer home you will be a better placed to apply for an even better job.
Like I said no offence meant and its easier for me to say then for you to do; but make this new job yours asap, don't worry about the old company too much - be concerned with your future.
Thank you, and no offence taken. You're hitting the nail on the head really. I like my current employer. They're good to work for, generous with benefits like healthcare, death in service cover, pension, holiday etc. And my manager is great, so is his manager who I report to for certain projects. But as you say, this new role offers a good salary bump, they want me, and it puts me in a better position if I move on in the future. It's just the gut instinct which says 'better the devil you know' which I need to fight.The current company sound like they might be stringing you along with vague promises of cake in the future at some point.
Also if you take the new job and in 18 months you want to be nearer home you will be a better placed to apply for an even better job.
Like I said no offence meant and its easier for me to say then for you to do; but make this new job yours asap, don't worry about the old company too much - be concerned with your future.
I'm really just waiting for the formal offer to arrive in the post so I can hand in my (3-month...) notice.
romeogolf said:
p1stonhead said:
Just 0.6% as presumably an incentive when they know you are on the verge of leaving? Talk about tight arses!
Yeah... We have a bonus structure which is paid quarterly. The "top tier" is 1.5% of my salary per quarter. The last quarter was frankly a bit s
t and I wouldn't have qualified for a bonus this quarter at all, but they've given me the 'mid-tier' bonus for my efforts in "challenging circumstances".But yes, bit tight.
FWIW I stayed at my last company probably 3 years longer than I should have because I liked them. In the end I left because I couldnt get a pay rise of about £3k from them. Some 3 years after leaving I am on £50k more than I left there on.
Moving jobs is generally the only way to get big pay jumps.
Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 12th May 12:30
p1stonhead said:
0.6% out of no where if they didnt know you were thinking of leaving would be a nice little gesture but its fairly insulting because of the fact they know you are probably on the verge of handing in your notice. If they actually want you (as it seems like they do), then they are idiots.
FWIW I stayed at my last company probably 3 years longer than I should have because I liked them. In the end I left because I couldnt get a pay rise of about £3k from them. Some 3 years after leaving I am on £50k more than I left there on.
Moving jobs is generally the only way to get big pay jumps.
Thanks, you're right. Studies always show that those on the highest pay 'job-hop' regularly to get it. FWIW I stayed at my last company probably 3 years longer than I should have because I liked them. In the end I left because I couldnt get a pay rise of about £3k from them. Some 3 years after leaving I am on £50k more than I left there on.
Moving jobs is generally the only way to get big pay jumps.
Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 12th May 12:30
Good luck OP, hopefully they will get back to you. You could make and enquiry about the letter, but as always this can be seen in one of two different lights.
In other news, I wish I could get some of the pay rises some of you guys are getting! I got a £7k rise on basic (£5k drop after O/T) taking on a new job, but as always I'd like more!
In other news, I wish I could get some of the pay rises some of you guys are getting! I got a £7k rise on basic (£5k drop after O/T) taking on a new job, but as always I'd like more!
romeogolf said:
p1stonhead said:
0.6% out of no where if they didnt know you were thinking of leaving would be a nice little gesture but its fairly insulting because of the fact they know you are probably on the verge of handing in your notice. If they actually want you (as it seems like they do), then they are idiots.
FWIW I stayed at my last company probably 3 years longer than I should have because I liked them. In the end I left because I couldnt get a pay rise of about £3k from them. Some 3 years after leaving I am on £50k more than I left there on.
Moving jobs is generally the only way to get big pay jumps.
Thanks, you're right. Studies always show that those on the highest pay 'job-hop' regularly to get it. FWIW I stayed at my last company probably 3 years longer than I should have because I liked them. In the end I left because I couldnt get a pay rise of about £3k from them. Some 3 years after leaving I am on £50k more than I left there on.
Moving jobs is generally the only way to get big pay jumps.
Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 12th May 12:30
I am in exactly the same position. I have a last round interview this week for a job which sounds great.
Someone here said that their gf was in this position.
I feel the same way in that I am "comfortable" in my current position. However, the job I am applying for allows me to develop skills in the sort of technologies I want to learn. At the same time, my current job is a bit of a mess due to politics.
My main fear is I am not good enough.
Someone here said that their gf was in this position.
I feel the same way in that I am "comfortable" in my current position. However, the job I am applying for allows me to develop skills in the sort of technologies I want to learn. At the same time, my current job is a bit of a mess due to politics.
My main fear is I am not good enough.
Final (?) update...
Went back to my manager last week. Told him new role had increased their offer slightly and that I was going to be taking it. He asked me what they were offering so I inflated it slightly and gave him some figures. Essentially he said that they wouldn't be able to match the new bonus structure, but if they matched the basic would I stay? I said yes and he said he'd let me know 'by Friday'.
Friday came and went with no news. So today, I emailed him and gave formal written notice back-dated to Wednesday. He called me shortly afterwards and told me that unfortunately those higher up have said they wouldn't be able to give the figure I'd requested, so he would have to accept my notice.
Honestly, it's a bit of a kick as I was actually feeling quite positive and that they would have done that following the previous conversation, but ultimately it only got to that point because I'd made a decision.
So I'm now working my 3 month notice period, feeling a bit sick/nervous today, but I'm sure that will lift. Thanks for the advice, and if anyone wants to throw good/positive messages this way please do so!
Went back to my manager last week. Told him new role had increased their offer slightly and that I was going to be taking it. He asked me what they were offering so I inflated it slightly and gave him some figures. Essentially he said that they wouldn't be able to match the new bonus structure, but if they matched the basic would I stay? I said yes and he said he'd let me know 'by Friday'.
Friday came and went with no news. So today, I emailed him and gave formal written notice back-dated to Wednesday. He called me shortly afterwards and told me that unfortunately those higher up have said they wouldn't be able to give the figure I'd requested, so he would have to accept my notice.
Honestly, it's a bit of a kick as I was actually feeling quite positive and that they would have done that following the previous conversation, but ultimately it only got to that point because I'd made a decision.
So I'm now working my 3 month notice period, feeling a bit sick/nervous today, but I'm sure that will lift. Thanks for the advice, and if anyone wants to throw good/positive messages this way please do so!
Just be sure you haven't been swayed by an OTE that you think looks reasonable, but in reality has strings attached making it difficult to actually get it.
I've worked for a few businesses where the headline target looked achievable, but there were some hoops to jump through which meant I didn't know anyone who actually had it paid.
I've worked for a few businesses where the headline target looked achievable, but there were some hoops to jump through which meant I didn't know anyone who actually had it paid.
Trabi601 said:
Just be sure you haven't been swayed by an OTE that you think looks reasonable, but in reality has strings attached making it difficult to actually get it.
I've worked for a few businesses where the headline target looked achievable, but there were some hoops to jump through which meant I didn't know anyone who actually had it paid.
This was definitely part of my decision-making process. Ultimately, they're paying a higher basic than I have currently (2%, not much, but something) and that alone is comfortable for me to live on (indeed, my current bonus is so paltry that I hardly consider it a worthwhile incentive). Thier commission structure is very strong and I challenged them on it in a telephone call after the interview because it definitely sounded too good. They confirmed categorically that it is purely a percentage of one stream of revenue, and doesn't rely on any other KPIs to be earned. It's also in my contract as part of my remuneration and (most interestingly for me) doesn't say that it's discretionary just that it "forms part of your monthly remuneration".I've worked for a few businesses where the headline target looked achievable, but there were some hoops to jump through which meant I didn't know anyone who actually had it paid.
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