No salary on job adverts!

[Register1]

blueg33 said:

I phone the recruiter and ask. If they ask my salary, I don't tell them, but I do tell them what I am looking for as a bare minimum

And don't tell them where I work now, as the next fishing question is who manages the HR, etc.

[bad company]

Register1 said:

Lemming Train said:

Any job ad that doesn't put the salary will be paying peanuts. That's the whole reason why they don't put it because if they did no-one would apply. Same applies to job ads that list the salary as "competitive".

Exactly.

If there is no salary indication, then I can't be bothered spending time on polishing the CV,
Move on,

And don’t get the job. Great decision.

[silent ninja]

My last two jobs - at major well known global brands - had no advertised salary.

I don't see the big fuss. Apply. If you get a call back, get a feel for what's on offer or stick your neck out and give them an indication of what you're after. It's all a big negotiation after all.

The higher up you go, the more that becomes the case. You wouldn't expect an Executive or CEO salary to be plainly advertised would you? It's all negotiable.

[edc]

I have never known up front the salary of any job I have had since graduating 15+ years ago. Fortunately I'm not earning peanuts (but neither am I am multi millionaire).

[Condi]

What about jobs which put 'Band A' or 'Band 5'?

Great, but what the fk is a Band A?

[jakesmith]

Prof Prolapse said:

Which could only be for reasons of poor management and/or lack of ethics...

There’s literally no reason not to be transparent about salary ranges.

That’s not true. There’s no transparency in any of the places I have worked. It’s up to you to decide your worth. The skills and experience of staff varies hugely and on the rare occasion where salary conversations take place between staff it leads to inevitably one person getting upset who may have been perfectly happy before

I’ve never seen a salary advertised for a job. Possibly it’s a tactic for low level jobs but for more senior jobs it is about not putting applicants off in my experience as there is usually greater flexibility, and not disturbing the balance with existing staff where there may be many / complex / legacy reasons for significant differences

If it’s so important you just tell the recruiter your expectation and check you’re in the right ball park what is so difficult about that

All these people saying they’d never apply if salary isn’t stated and making assumptions on the reasons why sound very precious to me and are just cutting their nose to spite their face and probably a narrow escape for the employer, how hard is it to tactfully probe this as part of a phone call early on.

[Prof Prolapse]

jakesmith said:

That’s not true. There’s no transparency in any of the places I have worked. It’s up to you to decide your worth. The skills and experience of staff varies hugely and on the rare occasion where salary conversations take place between staff it leads to inevitably one person getting upset who may have been perfectly happy before

I’ve never seen a salary advertised for a job. Possibly it’s a tactic for low level jobs but for more senior jobs it is about not putting applicants off in my experience as there is usually greater flexibility, and not disturbing the balance with existing staff where there may be many / complex / legacy reasons for significant differences

If it’s so important you just tell the recruiter your expectation and check you’re in the right ball park what is so difficult about that

All these people saying they’d never apply if salary isn’t stated and making assumptions on the reasons why sound very precious to me and are just cutting their nose to spite their face and probably a narrow escape for the employer, how hard is it to tactfully probe this as part of a phone call early on.

You tell me I’m wrong and then waffle on for four paragraphs... What is your point?

You can of course offer a range and then caveats. Language is a wonderful way to convey ideas... When used correctly...

[silent ninja]

Prof Prolapse said:

You tell me I’m wrong and then waffle on for four paragraphs... What is your point?

You can of course offer a range and then caveats. Language is a wonderful way to convey ideas... When used correctly...

Why should there be salary transparency? Curious to hear your reasons. Why is that the right approach?

[Cmaxed]

Hate it when there is no salary advertised going by past experience it is usually a sign that the salary will be low. I go with the idea that its a waste of my time applying as I wouldnt take the job at the salary offered in the end anyway. Equally I tend to avoid jobs that list a pension as a benefit! Its not a benefit its a legal requirement.

[768]

jakesmith said:

I’ve never seen a salary advertised for a job.

That cannot be true, am I misreading this?

jakesmith said:

All these people saying they’d never apply if salary isn’t stated and making assumptions on the reasons why sound very precious to me and are just cutting their nose to spite their face and probably a narrow escape for the employer, how hard is it to tactfully probe this as part of a phone call early on.

Really, really hard to do it across all jobs that don't advertise a salary, plus those that do and are within range. Unless you don't look for a job outside your village or are likely to be happy in any job paid anything from minimum wage up. I wouldn't trust anyone not able to give an indication of range not to pull all the other sly moves; requesting references without permission, asking your current salary to base their offer on, etc.

[kev1974]

Cmaxed said:

Hate it when there is no salary advertised going by past experience it is usually a sign that the salary will be low. I go with the idea that its a waste of my time applying as I wouldnt take the job at the salary offered in the end anyway. Equally I tend to avoid jobs that list a pension as a benefit! Its not a benefit its a legal requirement.

TfL (Transport for London) always make a big deal of the pension in their job ads, but then theirs is still a final salary pension, so mentioning it probably does a lot to attract people to their cosy gravy train while it still chugs on

[Prof Prolapse]

silent ninja said:

Why should there be salary transparency? Curious to hear your reasons. Why is that the right approach?

Pretty sure burden of proof falls on the person claiming a lack of transparency is the best way to retain and motivate staff when they realise you’ve (almost certainly) been shafting them.

I’ve already said an example, less confident but equally capable, employees earn less than their peers in these scenarios.

You’re not haggling over a used Cortina here. It’s someone’s livelihood, what they use to support their family, employers should be proud to show how open and fair they are.

[limpsfield]

Lemming Train said:

Any job ad that doesn't put the salary will be paying peanuts. That's the whole reason why they don't put it because if they did no-one would apply. Same applies to job ads that list the salary as "competitive".

You don't know what you're talking about here. I can't remember the last time I applied for a job where the salary was listed.

[edc]

Prof Prolapse said:

silent ninja said:

Why should there be salary transparency? Curious to hear your reasons. Why is that the right approach?

Pretty sure burden of proof falls on the person claiming a lack of transparency is the best way to retain and motivate staff when they realise you’ve (almost certainly) been shafting them.

I’ve already said an example, less confident but equally capable, employees earn less than their peers in these scenarios.

You’re not haggling over a used Cortina here. It’s someone’s livelihood, what they use to support their family, employers should be proud to show how open and fair they are.

If this is the way forward then droves of forward thinking companies would be doing this wouldnt they? Ironically it's probably the public sector where you do find this. You could argue that here it works the wrong way round. Rather than driving salaries up everybody complains about being underpaid.

[jakesmith]

768 said:

jakesmith said:

I’ve never seen a salary advertised for a job.

That cannot be true, am I misreading this?

jakesmith said:

All these people saying they’d never apply if salary isn’t stated and making assumptions on the reasons why sound very precious to me and are just cutting their nose to spite their face and probably a narrow escape for the employer, how hard is it to tactfully probe this as part of a phone call early on.

Really, really hard to do it across all jobs that don't advertise a salary, plus those that do and are within range. Unless you don't look for a job outside your village or are likely to be happy in any job paid anything from minimum wage up. I wouldn't trust anyone not able to give an indication of range not to pull all the other sly moves; requesting references without permission, asking your current salary to base their offer on, etc.

I’m talking about jobs I have applied for not having salaries posted

A carefully selected career path is different to scattergun applications where a couple of k either way might be the deciding factor

[jakesmith]

Prof Prolapse said:

You tell me I’m wrong and then waffle on for four paragraphs... What is your point?

You can of course offer a range and then caveats. Language is a wonderful way to convey ideas... When used correctly...

No, you don’t offer a range if the range is massive and may ps off a load of people in the business

Better to leave it to skilled recruiters to assesss the experience and value of the applicants and negotiate if / when you find the right person than limit the field needlessly

If people refuse to apply as they can’t immediately see the salary range then they’re not that invested in the role

I want people who want to work with us and are attracted by the culture, roles and responsibilities, perks, team etc not just £2k extra a year and then they’ll F off after I’ve spent a year training them if they can get another £2k somewhere else

My point is that you sound quite precious and hard work

Edited by jakesmith on Sunday 2nd December 23:32

[768]

2k might be important to some people. If you're not prepared to pay that 2k for the right person just say upfront instead of expecting them to call or interview. It doesn't sound a very senior role if it would make a difference.

[Voldemort]

jakesmith said:

If people refuse to apply as they can’t immediately see the salary range then they’re not that invested in the role

Nonsense. Why would anyone invest time and effort in applying for a job that might not pay enough to cover your existing responsibilities? No wage shown = company does not care and therefore neither do I.

[jakesmith]

Voldemort said:

Nonsense. Why would anyone invest time and effort in applying for a job that might not pay enough to cover your existing responsibilities? No wage shown = company does not care and therefore neither do I.

Nonsense to you old pal. There are a myriad reasons why not to show salary. I have explained them already. If you think that salary not shown means the firm does not care, then they're well shot of you & your petulant attitude.

[Lemming Train]

jakesmith said:

Voldemort said:

Nonsense. Why would anyone invest time and effort in applying for a job that might not pay enough to cover your existing responsibilities? No wage shown = company does not care and therefore neither do I.

Nonsense to you old pal. There are a myriad reasons why not to show salary. I have explained them already. If you think that salary not shown means the firm does not care, then they're well shot of you & your petulant attitude.