No salary on job adverts!

[bad company]

Voldemort said:

Nonsense. Why would anyone invest time and effort in applying for a job that might not pay enough to cover your existing responsibilities? No wage shown = company does not care and therefore neither do I.

I understand your frustration but you’re denying yourself access to a lot of jobs by your decision.

[James_B]

bad company said:

I understand your frustration but you’re denying yourself access to a lot of jobs by your decision.

We never advertise wages. We pay our summer interns £50,000 per year pro-rata.

[silent ninja]

Prof Prolapse said:

Pretty sure burden of proof falls on the person claiming a lack of transparency is the best way to retain and motivate staff when they realise you’ve (almost certainly) been shafting them.

I’ve already said an example, less confident but equally capable, employees earn less than their peers in these scenarios.

You’re not haggling over a used Cortina here. It’s someone’s livelihood, what they use to support their family, employers should be proud to show how open and fair they are.

Shafting them? Nobody forces you to work. What you get paid is based on a number things:
- the rarity of your skills
- the value you return to the business
- the proficiency of your skills
- what you negotiate

If you are in a commodity based role i.e. rules based, repetitive, then yes you're just fighting for pennies in a competitive market. It's a race to the bottom!
If you're in a job that is more ambiguous, cognitive based (value judgments, decisions etc) then patting down the above in to a formulaic salary that everyone gets paid is a hard task. People in the same role are rarely interchangeable and return the same value to the business.

So it might sound nice and simplistic that everyone's pay is transparent, but surely it's up to you to prove your worth and whoever can negotiate more, should get paid more.

[Cmaxed]

Silent ninja not a single reason there to hide salary. Rarity of skills should be known before advertising the job. You cant possibly know the value of return to the business at any point before actually starting work. Proficiency of skills you should already have a minimum and preferred level of skill before you advertise. So really your only reason to hide the salary in job adverts is because some people are better negotiators. Hope you dont mind too much when you find out that the kid in the mailroom pulled some Deren Brown mindtrick at his interview and is on twice your salary!

[silent ninja]

Cmaxed said:

Silent ninja not a single reason there to hide salary. Rarity of skills should be known before advertising the job. You cant possibly know the value of return to the business at any point before actually starting work. Proficiency of skills you should already have a minimum and preferred level of skill before you advertise. So really your only reason to hide the salary in job adverts is because some people are better negotiators. Hope you dont mind too much when you find out that the kid in the mailroom pulled some Deren Brown mindtrick at his interview and is on twice your salary!

Of course you should know the value of hiring services from a new employee to your business before they start - it's the function of the role, why it exists in the first place. If you can't answer this, you don't understand your business and it's no wonder you need candidates to help you. Incompetent hirers will get the mediocre bunch.
And yes rarity of skills does impact how much you get paid - since you agree, why doesn't the hiring manager factor this in to their business case and come up with a reasonable figure?

Again, you've not shared a single reason why the employer MUST know your existing salary. It's a lazy employer that insists on this information.