3 interviews, a presentation, offer and now tests - normal?
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rustyuk said:
I had 6 interviews and a test for a position at Capital One when they first moved over from the States.
They then asked me to attend for a further 3 interviews. I declined!
A friend of mine has been at Google for 11 years now. He had 8 interviews including one with the founders. They then asked me to attend for a further 3 interviews. I declined!
It remains one of the toughest recruitment processes I've ever heard of (Special Forces aside obviously!)
I have felt similar frustrations with a previous job, which I eventually went for. Think it was three interviews, a presentation and a test.
There were long periods between each stage too...
bakerstreet said:
A friend of mine has been at Google for 11 years now. He had 8 interviews including one with the founders.
It remains one of the toughest recruitment processes I've ever heard of (Special Forces aside obviously!)
I have felt similar frustrations with a previous job, which I eventually went for. Think it was three interviews, a presentation and a test.
There were long periods between each stage too...
Similar in my last 2 roles. Current one was 6 interviews including a trip to the states to spend a full day meeting "stakeholders"at HQ. Heavily matrixed structure, risk averse with multiple approvals; took just over 4 months from 1st interview to offer.It remains one of the toughest recruitment processes I've ever heard of (Special Forces aside obviously!)
I have felt similar frustrations with a previous job, which I eventually went for. Think it was three interviews, a presentation and a test.
There were long periods between each stage too...
OP- they may be passing time waiting for a decision maker to return from holiday; doesn't make it less shoddy though
Asking for numeracy and literacy tests AFTER the offer has been issued sounds like they've messed up somewhat.
There is a question to ask yourself.
If you seperate out the 17% extra salary, *do you really want the job*. This is hard to answer as you don't know what it will turn out to be like and you DO know your current envrionment well.
Remember you are interviewing them as much as them interviewing you. It may be that you decide to refuse their offer based on them not showing a huge amount of trust in your abilities and/or their own interviewers skills.
There is a question to ask yourself.
If you seperate out the 17% extra salary, *do you really want the job*. This is hard to answer as you don't know what it will turn out to be like and you DO know your current envrionment well.
Remember you are interviewing them as much as them interviewing you. It may be that you decide to refuse their offer based on them not showing a huge amount of trust in your abilities and/or their own interviewers skills.
Verbal and mathematical reasoning is fairly normal at a certain executive banding level within corporates. It cuts away the chaff that do not want the role as they get put off by the level of effort required.
We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
BobSaunders said:
Verbal and mathematical reasoning is fairly normal at a certain executive banding level within corporates. It cuts away the chaff that do not want the role as they get put off by the level of effort required.
We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
You count being prepared to sit a maths and a verbal reasoning test as an indication of aptitude for leadership? Holy cow.We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
Xaero said:
I'd be pretty miffed if I was offered a job, my references contacted and then asked to do more tests. People would have handed in notices by this time so it's not really on to put a few more barriers up at this stage.
To be fair, only really quite stupid people hand in notice before a sniff of a contract...ATG said:
BobSaunders said:
Verbal and mathematical reasoning is fairly normal at a certain executive banding level within corporates. It cuts away the chaff that do not want the role as they get put off by the level of effort required.
We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
You count being prepared to sit a maths and a verbal reasoning test as an indication of aptitude for leadership? Holy cow.We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
Edited by BobSaunders on Monday 4th September 16:04
wombleh said:
I'd go back to original boss and tell them I'd been offered 17% more elsewhere, like my job but needed the cash, would they be willing to offer a little more to stay on.
This, take the offer to current boss and see what they can do.Or, pass the tests (how hard can they be?) and then ask new company for more cash, you can both move the goalposts.
BobSaunders said:
ATG said:
BobSaunders said:
Verbal and mathematical reasoning is fairly normal at a certain executive banding level within corporates. It cuts away the chaff that do not want the role as they get put off by the level of effort required.
We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
You count being prepared to sit a maths and a verbal reasoning test as an indication of aptitude for leadership? Holy cow.We do it, as we want dedicated, smart, motivated, individuals which we do not require to have to manage, but simply lead and trust to execute as we know they are self motivated to achieve and exceed.
Just get on and do it if you want the job.
Edited by BobSaunders on Monday 4th September 16:04
BobSaunders said:
No. Reasoning tests are there to measure aptitude of an individual to ensure they are fit for purpose within a certain banding.You could be the best at interviews and presentations, but if you can not read a sentence and understand it's original meaning and purpose, and then choose the correct informed response, how on earth can you be expected to lead people or part of a business?
I am curious about these comments of how can someone be expected to run a business if they can't do these verbal reasoning tests. I ask myself whether Richard Branson would pass any of them based on the fact he is hugely dyslexic. There are loads of talented business leaders out there who are dyslexic and would probably fail them. Edited by BobSaunders on Monday 4th September 16:04
Care to answer?
Walk away.
Seriously, walk away. This sounds like the crap management consultancies do.
Sounds like they have got cold feet and want a reason to reject you after theyve made an offer.
If it isn't, then it shows they aren't joined up and HR are stamping their feet (they're of little use for doing anything else in my view) and you're going to be a ball batted between the two competing structures
Been there, done that, not worth it
Seriously, walk away. This sounds like the crap management consultancies do.
Sounds like they have got cold feet and want a reason to reject you after theyve made an offer.
If it isn't, then it shows they aren't joined up and HR are stamping their feet (they're of little use for doing anything else in my view) and you're going to be a ball batted between the two competing structures
Been there, done that, not worth it
Oilchange said:
I am curious about these comments of how can someone be expected to run a business if they can't do these verbal reasoning tests. I ask myself whether Richard Branson would pass any of them based on the fact he is hugely dyslexic. There are loads of talented business leaders out there who are dyslexic and would probably fail them.
Care to answer?
If you're the boss and it's your company you can do whatever the hell you like. At the end of the day it's your money.Care to answer?
If you're an Employee then Richard Branson needs some way of ensuring that you have the skills/capabilities of doing the specific job that he's asked you to do. You may be incredibly talented in doing A however if you can't do X and that is what he needs you to do then you aren't worth much to him. That's why employers test candidates.
I agree with you, it is their money/train set etc but the argument was that you can't be a top leader in business without passing these tests, which is b
ks.
This quote:
"but if you can not read a sentence and understand it's original meaning and purpose, and then choose the correct informed response, how on earth can you be expected to lead people or part of a business?"
ks.This quote:
"but if you can not read a sentence and understand it's original meaning and purpose, and then choose the correct informed response, how on earth can you be expected to lead people or part of a business?"
keirik said:
Walk away.
Seriously, walk away. This sounds like the crap management consultancies do.
Sounds like they have got cold feet and want a reason to reject you after theyve made an offer.
If it isn't, then it shows they aren't joined up and HR are stamping their feet (they're of little use for doing anything else in my view) and you're going to be a ball batted between the two competing structures
Been there, done that, not worth it
Errr, the original post was from September last year. If he hasn't made a decision by now I doubt they're still waiting Seriously, walk away. This sounds like the crap management consultancies do.
Sounds like they have got cold feet and want a reason to reject you after theyve made an offer.
If it isn't, then it shows they aren't joined up and HR are stamping their feet (they're of little use for doing anything else in my view) and you're going to be a ball batted between the two competing structures
Been there, done that, not worth it
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