Difficulty recruiting, suggestions?
Discussion
21TonyK said:
And being realistic, seriously, so you known anyone who is looking for 19 hours part time work?
Or, to give a serious answer, no, I don't know anyone looking for nineteen hours a week. Most people I know who work do like me, 50-60 hours a week. Those who work part time probably take home several times what you are offering, including my cousin who's a chef with about five years' experience.You have picked the wrong wage. For that level you'll get someone who can microwave meals for the right amount of time, and only occasionally poisons the children.
AshBurrows said:
21TonyK said:
Why won't someone work for £10.80 an hour plus local authority pension and job security that fits around shcool times and holidays is more accurate.
Because it's 8k a year. Hope this helps.Any other job would have been virtually impossible to hold down.
Granted it's not going to work for the main wage earner, but for a couple with young children it could be a second income.
StevieBee said:
This is a part of the whole Brexit thing that many people fail to grasp.
A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.
Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
Yeah, we are having a similar issue now, completely different industry, our van drivers are getting £7.50, £11.50 for lorries. Both positions have been mainly filled (5/8) with Polish & Romanian staff. We've lost 3 of our 8 drivers this year, 2 Polish gone home & a Romanian who has moved to Germany. The biggest draw for our staff seemed to be the strength of the pound, the two polish guys where young lads saving for a deposit for a first house, hell some of our home grown technician staff are off too, one to Estonia another to Australia. A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.
Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
So far we are cutting back on roles, having the technicians perform some of our basic logistics work, the company owner has been doing a lot more hands on work too.
98elise said:
But it's part time and fits in with school hours. My wife works in a Nursery and earns similarly money, however it meant she was able to get a job half a mile from home, which mirrored the working hours of our young kids. She could leave work, be at the school gates 5 minutes later, and in home 5 minutes after that.
Any other job would have been virtually impossible to hold down.
Granted it's not going to work for the main wage earner, but for a couple with young children it could be a second income.
Is that a skilled job thought? Seriously I have no idea. Any other job would have been virtually impossible to hold down.
Granted it's not going to work for the main wage earner, but for a couple with young children it could be a second income.
We pay our pot wash roughly the same as what op is offering for a decent quality chef! It's madness.
Geographically this is in the back end of Devon so TBH wages not that great, certainly not home counties levels!
As for outsourcing, they did, then they brought me in to do a better job. I'm just struggling with this one site, the others are fine.
Anyway...
Chef (Permanent)
Hours: Monday to Friday mornings between the hours of 9am and 2pm, 19 hours per week.
Term time working only (39 weeks per year)
Salary: £18,070.00 pro rata (£7,876.39 actual) and excellent pension scheme
If you are an exceptional cook, an experienced chef or a professional caterer tired of working weekends and nights, want more time with your family, then this could be for you!
We have great opportunity for a new person to join our catering team at ****** School in **********. Working in our modern well equipment kitchen you will help produce up to 100 meals a day from fresh produce for students and staff. An example of the type of meals we serve can be found on our school website.
It is likely you will have a background in volume or educational catering although this is not essential. More important is your experience and knowledge of food and cookery which we will expect you to demonstrate at interview to a level equivalent to NVQ 2 or City & Guilds 706/2.
You will be good at working on your own or as part of a team. You will be able to retain your sense of humour and you won’t crack under pressure. Most of all you will have an unwavering passion for producing food of the highest quality.
Lots of LA/HR specific gumph ....
For further details and an informal discussion about the role please contact 21TonyK on .....
As for outsourcing, they did, then they brought me in to do a better job. I'm just struggling with this one site, the others are fine.
Anyway...
Chef (Permanent)
Hours: Monday to Friday mornings between the hours of 9am and 2pm, 19 hours per week.
Term time working only (39 weeks per year)
Salary: £18,070.00 pro rata (£7,876.39 actual) and excellent pension scheme
If you are an exceptional cook, an experienced chef or a professional caterer tired of working weekends and nights, want more time with your family, then this could be for you!
We have great opportunity for a new person to join our catering team at ****** School in **********. Working in our modern well equipment kitchen you will help produce up to 100 meals a day from fresh produce for students and staff. An example of the type of meals we serve can be found on our school website.
It is likely you will have a background in volume or educational catering although this is not essential. More important is your experience and knowledge of food and cookery which we will expect you to demonstrate at interview to a level equivalent to NVQ 2 or City & Guilds 706/2.
You will be good at working on your own or as part of a team. You will be able to retain your sense of humour and you won’t crack under pressure. Most of all you will have an unwavering passion for producing food of the highest quality.
Lots of LA/HR specific gumph ....
For further details and an informal discussion about the role please contact 21TonyK on .....
Well I guess we'll see. I completely agree its not a lot of money for a semi-skilled role. And, given the number of hours the take home pay isn't that great.
But, it is above the normal hourly rate for even a senior role in the target market and as I do not have the authority to override payscales I can only do what I have done in manipulating the role up a grade.
Despite what many may think there are still a lot of people on <>£8 an hour
But, it is above the normal hourly rate for even a senior role in the target market and as I do not have the authority to override payscales I can only do what I have done in manipulating the role up a grade.
Despite what many may think there are still a lot of people on <>£8 an hour
21TonyK said:
Despite what many may think there are still a lot of people on <>£8 an hour
Doesn't matter when take home pay is low. These people on £8 per hour work long shifts. You don't have this.Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine paying £5-10 for a bus/train ticket, or fuel 5 days a week to travel to work. By the time you've paid for travel and had lunch/drinks/snacks. You're making less than £30 per day even at £10 per hour. Would you get out of bed in the morning for that?
Can I suggest combining the role with another similar job. Is there scope for someone take the job full time by combining it with an admin, assistant teacher, or any other roles which can be done part time?
Edited by MethylatedSpirit on Sunday 17th September 00:19
21TonyK said:
Please, someone else help here. FFS!
Its 19 hours between 9 and 2 over five days!
But that is 25 hours... Is it flexi time on their side? So they can do 5 hours for 3 days, and then 4 hours on day 4? Or turn up at 1010 everyday to do 19 in 5? The more flexible you make it, more likely will be attractive to someone fitting it in around parenting etc.Its 19 hours between 9 and 2 over five days!
At the moment, it sounds that they are expected to be on site 25 hours, but only get paid 19
Edited by wisbech on Sunday 17th September 01:48
There are a number of issues here that are compounding the OPs situation which is becoming increasingly common across industries.
Hourly minimum wage has steadily increased. In 2010 it was £5.93 is now £7.50 and is set to increase to over £8 next year. This is nearly a 30% increase during a period which has seen semi and professional salaries remain static or fall in real terms resulting in a compression in the variance between skilled and unskilled salary bands.
Employers that operate in this area are now carrying extra costs for no additional revenue in markets that offer low margins. They are also finding it interestingly hard to recruit as immigrant labor starts to leave the country due to the weak pound and Brexit freedom of movement uncertainty.
Even at this minimum wage the current benefit system and culture doesn't motivate the council class back into productive employment. This no win situation results in UK industry suffering massively, particularly catering, cleaning, hospitality, farming, nursing, care homes etc.
Hourly minimum wage has steadily increased. In 2010 it was £5.93 is now £7.50 and is set to increase to over £8 next year. This is nearly a 30% increase during a period which has seen semi and professional salaries remain static or fall in real terms resulting in a compression in the variance between skilled and unskilled salary bands.
Employers that operate in this area are now carrying extra costs for no additional revenue in markets that offer low margins. They are also finding it interestingly hard to recruit as immigrant labor starts to leave the country due to the weak pound and Brexit freedom of movement uncertainty.
Even at this minimum wage the current benefit system and culture doesn't motivate the council class back into productive employment. This no win situation results in UK industry suffering massively, particularly catering, cleaning, hospitality, farming, nursing, care homes etc.
21TonyK said:
Please, someone else help here. FFS!
Its 19 hours between 9 and 2 over five days!
Explainer: It means they'll have to be on site for 25 hours a week but only get paid for 19. When they're on their 'break' they'll be expected to drop whatever they're doing if needed - it's just being corporate 'innit'? And it means the £10.80 an hour quoted is reduced to £10.80 x 19/25 = £8.21.Its 19 hours between 9 and 2 over five days!
You can make as many arguments as you like, OP, but the simple fact is that you're not offering enough money.
wisbech said:
21TonyK said:
Please, someone else help here. FFS!
Its 19 hours between 9 and 2 over five days!
But that is 25 hours... Is it flexi time on their side? So they can do 5 hours for 3 days, and then 4 hours on day 4? Or turn up at 1010 everyday to do 19 in 5? The more flexible you make it, more likely will be attractive to someone fitting it in around parenting etc.Its 19 hours between 9 and 2 over five days!
At the moment, it sounds that they are expected to be on site 25 hours, but only get paid 19
Edited by wisbech on Sunday 17th September 01:48
However. This is not the same role, if is an "upgraded" role and the responsibilities require that the person is there from 9 until at least 1:30 if not 2 every day. So it is at least 22.5 hours.
Not a lot but maybe slightly more of a draw and an extra £1.5K pa.
This is not how HR will see it though so I think I might be in for a bit of a battle.
Problem is that what happens at one site is mirrored at others so it means other people getting a pay rise as well.
As others have said, it will work for someone who needs pocket money.
What is shocking is the chap who said that his lorry drivers are on 11 quid an hour. I looked into retraining as an HGV driver. Would of cost me about £3k but then a whole world would open up to me starting at £8 an hour.
Plus the fact that you would be restricted to a max amount of hours a week would mean an unliveable wage.
I'm 55. Pay 500 a month in child maintenance then need £16k a year just to pay my rent. Nothing special, just a small 2 bedroom cottage in Surrey, a bit too far from my work.
Do the maths. I need well above average pay just to cover my basics.
What is shocking is the chap who said that his lorry drivers are on 11 quid an hour. I looked into retraining as an HGV driver. Would of cost me about £3k but then a whole world would open up to me starting at £8 an hour.
Plus the fact that you would be restricted to a max amount of hours a week would mean an unliveable wage.
I'm 55. Pay 500 a month in child maintenance then need £16k a year just to pay my rent. Nothing special, just a small 2 bedroom cottage in Surrey, a bit too far from my work.
Do the maths. I need well above average pay just to cover my basics.
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