Promised pay rise ...
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Just looking for some advice really it’s on behalf on my Mrs she works as a store manager for well known high street shop
She has been doing the job for over 4 years and the store is doing well and profit increases year on year.
So shows that she’s doing well etc ..
she doesn’t even have a deputy and she has taking the role on to save the store more money.
I know this doesn’t warrant a pay rise just giving some background,
anyway after a few years of promising and putting together a business plan to show her store can afford her increase as they base the wages on how much each store takes etc..
another local store’s line manager has had an increase above what that store allows (hope I make sense)
So chasing her line manager she agreed and gave the £3k rise signed a change of details form and all was good and rosey.
Until today where she was informed that she will only now only be getting a £1k rise which was changed by HR.
Now i would have thought if the line manager had agreed and signed a document off from the 10th October 2017 she would be on the £3k rise from that date it was a change of details form and the line manager also asked the regional manager if this ok and he agreed with the rise.
Does she have a case to fight and if so what’s the best way to go about this.?
Thanks
She has been doing the job for over 4 years and the store is doing well and profit increases year on year.
So shows that she’s doing well etc ..
she doesn’t even have a deputy and she has taking the role on to save the store more money.
I know this doesn’t warrant a pay rise just giving some background,
anyway after a few years of promising and putting together a business plan to show her store can afford her increase as they base the wages on how much each store takes etc..
another local store’s line manager has had an increase above what that store allows (hope I make sense)
So chasing her line manager she agreed and gave the £3k rise signed a change of details form and all was good and rosey.
Until today where she was informed that she will only now only be getting a £1k rise which was changed by HR.
Now i would have thought if the line manager had agreed and signed a document off from the 10th October 2017 she would be on the £3k rise from that date it was a change of details form and the line manager also asked the regional manager if this ok and he agreed with the rise.
Does she have a case to fight and if so what’s the best way to go about this.?
Thanks
sadly this happens a lot.
you'll find the line manager doesnt have the authority to secure the payrise and if you fight it you'll lose as a signed form isnt a change of contract or a contractual document.
as for needing a reference, most companies.now just send a reference stating start and end dates to confirm you were employed as they dont want to get sued so I wouldnt worry about that.
take the money and look for another job anyway.
you'll find the line manager doesnt have the authority to secure the payrise and if you fight it you'll lose as a signed form isnt a change of contract or a contractual document.
as for needing a reference, most companies.now just send a reference stating start and end dates to confirm you were employed as they dont want to get sued so I wouldnt worry about that.
take the money and look for another job anyway.
Sensei Rob said:
Unfortunately, unless the 3K agreement was in writing, they can go back on their word with no retribution. The World is full of sharks.
OP, please disregard the above well intentioned but incorrect advice. There is no requirement for an agreement of this kind to be in writing. Whether there has been an agreement is a matter of evidence. Please PM me or post here the emails or other communications in which the varied pay rate was discussed.keirik said:
sadly this happens a lot.
you'll find the line manager doesnt have the authority to secure the payrise and if you fight it you'll lose as a signed form isnt a change of contract or a contractual document.
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Again, OP, please disregard this stuff. People here mean well but they tend to know Jack about the law of contract. you'll find the line manager doesnt have the authority to secure the payrise and if you fight it you'll lose as a signed form isnt a change of contract or a contractual document.
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I am not saying that your wife has or does not have a claim, because at present I lack the information to express a view on this, but the law does not operate on the basis of magic documents or, in most fields, recondite technicalities. In some circumstances filling in a form would evidence an agreement. All depends on the circumstances.
You need to know, consider a few things.
What does your wife's line Manager say?
Is the other store manager male of female?
Did the other manager start on less, the same or more.
Enquire with HR about the policy for pay-rises, is there any direct evidence based link with shop revenue; find out about the grievance procedure.
This is the reason people need to be in Unions, they are much better placed to help you that us.
What does your wife's line Manager say?
Is the other store manager male of female?
Did the other manager start on less, the same or more.
Enquire with HR about the policy for pay-rises, is there any direct evidence based link with shop revenue; find out about the grievance procedure.
This is the reason people need to be in Unions, they are much better placed to help you that us.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 19th October 09:44
OP,
What might be an interesting angle, and one that would have most HR departments taking notice, is if the other store manager who had a pay increase is a man.
Don't have to be too dramatic about it, but just subtly ask the question.
However I see the other side of this all the time, line manager promise things to employees, that are NOT in the power to deliver. It is very frustrating as it puts the HR team on a position where we either need to say no to stuff, or find the budget from other staff/positions.
This happened to my wife when she worked in procurement for a major UK supermarket. They promised her promotion and pay rise, then a new MD came in and put a freeze on all pay rises and promotions. They had gone so far down the road with her promotion that it was a real kick in the teeth. She appealed to HR, who wouldn't budge, so she looked around and got another job, and is even happier. They irony of the situation is that they are trying to recruit her back into the business as she's very good at her job, she'd never have left if they'd treated her well.
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