Trials of Finding New Job
Discussion
Flooble said:
Never having worked in pure sales, how would they go about doing that? I'd expect the figures to be confidential.
Out of 5 interviews I had for the role of "Business Development Manager/Account Manager", 3 of those physically asked for a proven track record of sales performance. This could be your set targets and how you've exceeded them or how much revenue (or percentage of some description) that you've brought in your previous role. Anything really to add weight to your value! I'm sure that individual could have brought something and I'm surprised the employee didn't ask for any evidence.Anyway, I brought my "brag file" to every interview regardless of if it was required or not- this helped me to secure my new role.
Edited by Prohibiting on Friday 5th October 16:43
Prohibiting said:
Out of 5 interviews I had for the role of "Business Development Manager/Account Manager", 3 of those physically asked for a proven track record of sales performance. This could be your set targets and how you've exceeded them or how much revenue (or percentage of some description) that you've brought in your previous role. Anything really to add weight to your value! I'm sure that individual could have brought something and I'm surprised the employee didn't ask for any evidence.
Anyway, I brought my "brag file" to every interview regardless of if it was required or not- this helped me to secure my new role.
So did you just run something off yourself? That's what I'm wondering - if it's not produced by your employer, is there anything to stop you from knocking up your own Target/Achievement spreadsheet?Anyway, I brought my "brag file" to every interview regardless of if it was required or not- this helped me to secure my new role.
Edited by Prohibiting on Friday 5th October 16:43
talking of a brag file......this guy I am seeing next week........no promises have been made and I dont even know what the role is in terms of seniority level......it could be just an entry level admin or mid level role or maybe an account management on the road role so that I dont know yet.
but how much do I push when I see him towards the end of the meeting ? I know you cant come across as desperate or needy. the guy contacted me not the other way around (after 5 years too) so he obviously thinks I am worth an interview. It will likely be with him and his head of dept that I would guess I would be working in.
Instead of turning up with nothing in hand I was thinking of putting my re-tailored CV together with a sheet or two on top of ideas/suggestions/ info to a) show that I am well informed on industry trends/current affairs b) ideas on adding value for retaining clients and winning new clients and c) ways we can keep clients updated etc......so I dont just turn up and expect to be handed a job plus I think if I do this they will both think this guy knows his sh*t and hopefully be putting forward for a decent paying position.
do i get cock sure at the meeting to show confidence or would they think of it as arrogance? would you actually say something like " there is no need to find anybody else for this role as this has my name written all over it" or words to that effect? or is a gentler approach the way to go "youve seen that I am awar of the market, yove seen I am qualified and you know my past experience so I would be delighted to join the team"
ive got plenty of time to prepare but want to get it right and come away with an offer if possible.. right now its my only warm lead.
but how much do I push when I see him towards the end of the meeting ? I know you cant come across as desperate or needy. the guy contacted me not the other way around (after 5 years too) so he obviously thinks I am worth an interview. It will likely be with him and his head of dept that I would guess I would be working in.
Instead of turning up with nothing in hand I was thinking of putting my re-tailored CV together with a sheet or two on top of ideas/suggestions/ info to a) show that I am well informed on industry trends/current affairs b) ideas on adding value for retaining clients and winning new clients and c) ways we can keep clients updated etc......so I dont just turn up and expect to be handed a job plus I think if I do this they will both think this guy knows his sh*t and hopefully be putting forward for a decent paying position.
do i get cock sure at the meeting to show confidence or would they think of it as arrogance? would you actually say something like " there is no need to find anybody else for this role as this has my name written all over it" or words to that effect? or is a gentler approach the way to go "youve seen that I am awar of the market, yove seen I am qualified and you know my past experience so I would be delighted to join the team"
ive got plenty of time to prepare but want to get it right and come away with an offer if possible.. right now its my only warm lead.
Flooble said:
Prohibiting said:
Out of 5 interviews I had for the role of "Business Development Manager/Account Manager", 3 of those physically asked for a proven track record of sales performance. This could be your set targets and how you've exceeded them or how much revenue (or percentage of some description) that you've brought in your previous role. Anything really to add weight to your value! I'm sure that individual could have brought something and I'm surprised the employee didn't ask for any evidence.
Anyway, I brought my "brag file" to every interview regardless of if it was required or not- this helped me to secure my new role.
So did you just run something off yourself? That's what I'm wondering - if it's not produced by your employer, is there anything to stop you from knocking up your own Target/Achievement spreadsheet?Anyway, I brought my "brag file" to every interview regardless of if it was required or not- this helped me to secure my new role.
Edited by Prohibiting on Friday 5th October 16:43
Proven track record, preparation of those figures/organisational abilities and knowledge of said company which got me through the roleplay exercises got me the job.
No BS, just facts to prove I'm worthy.
Edited by Prohibiting on Friday 5th October 22:25
Did my trial shift at the bakery today. Seemed ok actually. Got stuck in, worked hard, picked stuff up quickly to the point where people were leaving me to it a few hours in. Got on well with the other staff. Had a good time.
Got to the end of the shift and the manager came over to me. Asked me if I enjoyed it, how I got on etc. Said it was good, beats sitting at a desk all day.
I thought I did well and gave it my best shot.
Manager then says to me thanks, but I can't take you on yet. Made up some excuse that someone else started today, they walked out, they need to find a replacement for her before I can be hired etc. Manager said she has my number so may be in touch at some point.
What a joke. She then said oh yeah, take a sandwich as payment!
To say I was pi**ed off would be an understatement. I just smiled and said yeah, ok, whatever and left. Biked home rather annoyed so got back in double quick time.
Got home and told my wife. She couldn't believe it. What a waste of time.
Oh well, onto the next thing. Bakery may be in touch, but I can't be arsed with people messing me around like that.
Got to the end of the shift and the manager came over to me. Asked me if I enjoyed it, how I got on etc. Said it was good, beats sitting at a desk all day.
I thought I did well and gave it my best shot.
Manager then says to me thanks, but I can't take you on yet. Made up some excuse that someone else started today, they walked out, they need to find a replacement for her before I can be hired etc. Manager said she has my number so may be in touch at some point.
What a joke. She then said oh yeah, take a sandwich as payment!
To say I was pi**ed off would be an understatement. I just smiled and said yeah, ok, whatever and left. Biked home rather annoyed so got back in double quick time.
Got home and told my wife. She couldn't believe it. What a waste of time.
Oh well, onto the next thing. Bakery may be in touch, but I can't be arsed with people messing me around like that.
hmm. I was about to suggest the manager had a line in patter that she might have spun to loads of people just to get 4 hours free labour of people being the cync that I am however they did spend a couple of hours at the start showing you the basics so really I guess it was a genuine mess up rather than the shop taking advantage.
at least you got a sandwich! - imagine those people ( and I hope I dont become one of them) that are expected to commute to and work 37 hours a week on some government work "experience" scheme for no wage just so that you can keep the miserly £73 a week JSA that youve already paid your taxes towards
Does anybody remember my post a week or 2 back where I just tested the waters with sending off a CV that word for word exactly matched the job description requirements? well that company contacted me today as I missed the call - can you actually believe that! what a load of horse s
t. I could still probably do the job but the point I wanted to check/make was whether they a) actually look at online applications (tick) and b) do you get a response from a human being but only if your CV is a mirror image of the job description (and I think thats another tick). Bear in mind its my 3rd application to this company with the first 2 applications using my usual CV slightly tailored to the description and I reckon because it wasnt a spitting mirror image they passed me over.
it might show that any dunce could copy the description into their CV and worm them way into the job that they are not really suited to do! Bonkers.
I'll still call them back tomorrow once Ive found that dodgy CV in my files LOL.. Job is miles away so not overly fussed if it goes south from hereon in.
at least you got a sandwich! - imagine those people ( and I hope I dont become one of them) that are expected to commute to and work 37 hours a week on some government work "experience" scheme for no wage just so that you can keep the miserly £73 a week JSA that youve already paid your taxes towards
Does anybody remember my post a week or 2 back where I just tested the waters with sending off a CV that word for word exactly matched the job description requirements? well that company contacted me today as I missed the call - can you actually believe that! what a load of horse s
t. I could still probably do the job but the point I wanted to check/make was whether they a) actually look at online applications (tick) and b) do you get a response from a human being but only if your CV is a mirror image of the job description (and I think thats another tick). Bear in mind its my 3rd application to this company with the first 2 applications using my usual CV slightly tailored to the description and I reckon because it wasnt a spitting mirror image they passed me over.it might show that any dunce could copy the description into their CV and worm them way into the job that they are not really suited to do! Bonkers.
I'll still call them back tomorrow once Ive found that dodgy CV in my files LOL.. Job is miles away so not overly fussed if it goes south from hereon in.
funkyrobot said:
Did my trial shift at the bakery today. Seemed ok actually. Got stuck in, worked hard, picked stuff up quickly to the point where people were leaving me to it a few hours in. Got on well with the other staff. Had a good time.
Got to the end of the shift and the manager came over to me. Asked me if I enjoyed it, how I got on etc. Said it was good, beats sitting at a desk all day.
I thought I did well and gave it my best shot.
Manager then says to me thanks, but I can't take you on yet. Made up some excuse that someone else started today, they walked out, they need to find a replacement for her before I can be hired etc. Manager said she has my number so may be in touch at some point.
What a joke. She then said oh yeah, take a sandwich as payment!
To say I was pi**ed off would be an understatement. I just smiled and said yeah, ok, whatever and left. Biked home rather annoyed so got back in double quick time.
Got home and told my wife. She couldn't believe it. What a waste of time.
Oh well, onto the next thing. Bakery may be in touch, but I can't be arsed with people messing me around like that.
Got to the end of the shift and the manager came over to me. Asked me if I enjoyed it, how I got on etc. Said it was good, beats sitting at a desk all day.
I thought I did well and gave it my best shot.
Manager then says to me thanks, but I can't take you on yet. Made up some excuse that someone else started today, they walked out, they need to find a replacement for her before I can be hired etc. Manager said she has my number so may be in touch at some point.
What a joke. She then said oh yeah, take a sandwich as payment!
To say I was pi**ed off would be an understatement. I just smiled and said yeah, ok, whatever and left. Biked home rather annoyed so got back in double quick time.
Got home and told my wife. She couldn't believe it. What a waste of time.
Oh well, onto the next thing. Bakery may be in touch, but I can't be arsed with people messing me around like that.
Was the sandwich nice? 
You should have taken 2 sandwiches.
funkyrobot said:
Did my trial shift at the bakery today. Seemed ok actually. Got stuck in, worked hard, picked stuff up quickly to the point where people were leaving me to it a few hours in. Got on well with the other staff. Had a good time.
Got to the end of the shift and the manager came over to me. Asked me if I enjoyed it, how I got on etc. Said it was good, beats sitting at a desk all day.
I thought I did well and gave it my best shot.
Manager then says to me thanks, but I can't take you on yet. Made up some excuse that someone else started today, they walked out, they need to find a replacement for her before I can be hired etc. Manager said she has my number so may be in touch at some point.
What a joke. She then said oh yeah, take a sandwich as payment!
To say I was pi**ed off would be an understatement. I just smiled and said yeah, ok, whatever and left. Biked home rather annoyed so got back in double quick time.
Got home and told my wife. She couldn't believe it. What a waste of time.
Oh well, onto the next thing. Bakery may be in touch, but I can't be arsed with people messing me around like that.
Got to the end of the shift and the manager came over to me. Asked me if I enjoyed it, how I got on etc. Said it was good, beats sitting at a desk all day.
I thought I did well and gave it my best shot.
Manager then says to me thanks, but I can't take you on yet. Made up some excuse that someone else started today, they walked out, they need to find a replacement for her before I can be hired etc. Manager said she has my number so may be in touch at some point.
What a joke. She then said oh yeah, take a sandwich as payment!
To say I was pi**ed off would be an understatement. I just smiled and said yeah, ok, whatever and left. Biked home rather annoyed so got back in double quick time.
Got home and told my wife. She couldn't believe it. What a waste of time.
Oh well, onto the next thing. Bakery may be in touch, but I can't be arsed with people messing me around like that.
ToothbrushMan said:
hmm. I was about to suggest the manager had a line in patter that she might have spun to loads of people just to get 4 hours free labour of people being the cync that I am however they did spend a couple of hours at the start showing you the basics so really I guess it was a genuine mess up rather than the shop taking advantage.
at least you got a sandwich! - imagine those people ( and I hope I dont become one of them) that are expected to commute to and work 37 hours a week on some government work "experience" scheme for no wage just so that you can keep the miserly £73 a week JSA that youve already paid your taxes towards
Does anybody remember my post a week or 2 back where I just tested the waters with sending off a CV that word for word exactly matched the job description requirements? well that company contacted me today as I missed the call - can you actually believe that! what a load of horse st. I could still probably do the job but the point I wanted to check/make was whether they a) actually look at online applications (tick) and b) do you get a response from a human being but only if your CV is a mirror image of the job description (and I think thats another tick). Bear in mind its my 3rd application to this company with the first 2 applications using my usual CV slightly tailored to the description and I reckon because it wasnt a spitting mirror image they passed me over.
it might show that any dunce could copy the description into their CV and worm them way into the job that they are not really suited to do! Bonkers.
I'll still call them back tomorrow once Ive found that dodgy CV in my files LOL.. Job is miles away so not overly fussed if it goes south from hereon in.
The couple of hours at the start really only consisted of a lady showing me what she was doing. And the only reason it was helpful was because she was a really nice person.at least you got a sandwich! - imagine those people ( and I hope I dont become one of them) that are expected to commute to and work 37 hours a week on some government work "experience" scheme for no wage just so that you can keep the miserly £73 a week JSA that youve already paid your taxes towards
Does anybody remember my post a week or 2 back where I just tested the waters with sending off a CV that word for word exactly matched the job description requirements? well that company contacted me today as I missed the call - can you actually believe that! what a load of horse s
t. I could still probably do the job but the point I wanted to check/make was whether they a) actually look at online applications (tick) and b) do you get a response from a human being but only if your CV is a mirror image of the job description (and I think thats another tick). Bear in mind its my 3rd application to this company with the first 2 applications using my usual CV slightly tailored to the description and I reckon because it wasnt a spitting mirror image they passed me over.it might show that any dunce could copy the description into their CV and worm them way into the job that they are not really suited to do! Bonkers.
I'll still call them back tomorrow once Ive found that dodgy CV in my files LOL.. Job is miles away so not overly fussed if it goes south from hereon in.
I didn't take a sandwich in the end. I had to get home to pick up my daughter from school so didn't have time to peruse the selection.
I do wonder if the manager was getting people in to do free labour. The excuses she made up when I left were at odds in what she had told me in the interview.
Oh well. I've moved on now and am searching for something else.
That CV story is interesting. I thought about making another CV that pretty much matches mine (but with names changed), but do it from the perspective of someone with a different ethnicity. Would be interesting to see if any positive responses are sent to my 'cousin'.
Edited by funkyrobot on Wednesday 10th October 10:09
funkyrobot said:
The couple of hours at the start really only consisted of a lady showing me what she was doing. And the only reason it was helpful was because she was a really nice person.
I didn't take a sandwich in the end. I had to get home to pick up my daughter from school so didn't have time to peruse the selection.
I do wonder if the manager was getting people in to do free labour. The excuses she made up when I left were at odds in what she had told me in the interview.
Oh well. I've moved on now and am searching for something else.
Lincs council are looking for a head of IT at the minute.I didn't take a sandwich in the end. I had to get home to pick up my daughter from school so didn't have time to peruse the selection.
I do wonder if the manager was getting people in to do free labour. The excuses she made up when I left were at odds in what she had told me in the interview.
Oh well. I've moved on now and am searching for something else.
Vyse said:
Sometime recruiters ask you to fill in consent forms when they are ready to submit your application to the employer. Can I assume recruiters that don't ask me to fill in a GDPR or consent form are either advertising duff jobs or they are not planning to submit my app?
They may be claiming "legitimate interest" as their cover for using your details. I am not a lawyer so have no idea if they could use that.But you can probably determine the "better" and "worse" agents from their approach. There's always a danger with the usual anonymous adverts and recruiters stealing each others adverts that you end up being submitted multiple times for the same role and blocked by all.
got a fresh lead from meeting my mates today so i'll reach out and see where that goes.
i asked the one lad what hoops he had to jump through to get the job;-
he was contacted by the employer direct one day out the blue (somebody must have put a good word in)
1 hour telephone interview !!! couldnt believe it - 1 hour on the phone. ive had maybe 20 mins max.
2 hour face to face interview (doesnt surprise me and 2 hours can fly by)
then nothing for 1 month......silence
then he got the offer.
i asked the one lad what hoops he had to jump through to get the job;-
he was contacted by the employer direct one day out the blue (somebody must have put a good word in)
1 hour telephone interview !!! couldnt believe it - 1 hour on the phone. ive had maybe 20 mins max.
2 hour face to face interview (doesnt surprise me and 2 hours can fly by)
then nothing for 1 month......silence
then he got the offer.
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