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bad company said:
Call it what you will. You’re the one that’s out of work and bitter & twisted.
You’ve made some ridiculous accusations about the recruitment industry based on unfounded assumptions.
Can we just end the argument with a link please?You’ve made some ridiculous accusations about the recruitment industry based on unfounded assumptions.
Edited by bad company on Saturday 1st December 09:35
https://www.gov.uk/employment-agencies-and-busines...
Flooble said:
bad company said:
Call it what you will. You’re the one that’s out of work and bitter & twisted.
You’ve made some ridiculous accusations about the recruitment industry based on unfounded assumptions.
Can we just end the argument with a link please?You’ve made some ridiculous accusations about the recruitment industry based on unfounded assumptions.
Edited by bad company on Saturday 1st December 09:35
https://www.gov.uk/employment-agencies-and-busines...
Job advertisements
You mustn’t advertise a job without the full details of the position.
You must also make sure the hirer has definitely said they’re looking for someone to fill the position.
ive got my own axe to grind with some agencies but by the sounds of it theres been some feathers ruffled on the subject so Im happy to leave sleeping dogs lie......
I am attenting a welcome event (whatever that really means) next week arranged by ADECCO for Amazon.
One of the guys here told me that the work is hard but right now it could offer 70 hours a week with overtime up to double time. could be a good way to get some cash in even if its over by January.
Pity its now and not early Jan as I can see all my free time being spent with Amazon over Xmas instead of with family and friends.
I will be asking a lot of questions at this event. I am told 25-50 other people will be there with me. I dont know if its a selection process or just a formality.
still not heard about my 2nd interview yet.
spent all day yesterday prepping for a tele phone interview at 3pm - 3pm came and went. No phone call. Its now been rearranged for next along with an apology for not calling me......just got to suck up some of the incompetency that I have seen since being out of work........
sorry to the chap who left the factory/labelling job - I have similar fears about being barked at working for Amazon if they think I can do the job faster faster faster.........
keep going......
I am attenting a welcome event (whatever that really means) next week arranged by ADECCO for Amazon.
One of the guys here told me that the work is hard but right now it could offer 70 hours a week with overtime up to double time. could be a good way to get some cash in even if its over by January.
Pity its now and not early Jan as I can see all my free time being spent with Amazon over Xmas instead of with family and friends.
I will be asking a lot of questions at this event. I am told 25-50 other people will be there with me. I dont know if its a selection process or just a formality.
still not heard about my 2nd interview yet.
spent all day yesterday prepping for a tele phone interview at 3pm - 3pm came and went. No phone call. Its now been rearranged for next along with an apology for not calling me......just got to suck up some of the incompetency that I have seen since being out of work........
sorry to the chap who left the factory/labelling job - I have similar fears about being barked at working for Amazon if they think I can do the job faster faster faster.........
keep going......
James_B said:
If you don’t like agencies then stop using them and just get a job without.
I’ve never been found a job by an agency so don’t use them, I use contacts I know and trust or just approach a firm directly.
That will work better in some industries than others. I recruited lawyers and most clients preferred using agencies for a number of reasons one being confidenality. I’ve never been found a job by an agency so don’t use them, I use contacts I know and trust or just approach a firm directly.
ToothbrushMan said:
ive got my own axe to grind with some agencies but by the sounds of it theres been some feathers ruffled on the subject so Im happy to leave sleeping dogs lie......
I am attenting a welcome event (whatever that really means) next week arranged by ADECCO for Amazon.
One of the guys here told me that the work is hard but right now it could offer 70 hours a week with overtime up to double time. could be a good way to get some cash in even if its over by January.
Pity its now and not early Jan as I can see all my free time being spent with Amazon over Xmas instead of with family and friends.
I will be asking a lot of questions at this event. I am told 25-50 other people will be there with me. I dont know if its a selection process or just a formality.
still not heard about my 2nd interview yet.
spent all day yesterday prepping for a tele phone interview at 3pm - 3pm came and went. No phone call. Its now been rearranged for next along with an apology for not calling me......just got to suck up some of the incompetency that I have seen since being out of work........
sorry to the chap who left the factory/labelling job - I have similar fears about being barked at working for Amazon if they think I can do the job faster faster faster.........
keep going......
I think when you are out of work and looking it is your sole focus and dominates your life.I am attenting a welcome event (whatever that really means) next week arranged by ADECCO for Amazon.
One of the guys here told me that the work is hard but right now it could offer 70 hours a week with overtime up to double time. could be a good way to get some cash in even if its over by January.
Pity its now and not early Jan as I can see all my free time being spent with Amazon over Xmas instead of with family and friends.
I will be asking a lot of questions at this event. I am told 25-50 other people will be there with me. I dont know if its a selection process or just a formality.
still not heard about my 2nd interview yet.
spent all day yesterday prepping for a tele phone interview at 3pm - 3pm came and went. No phone call. Its now been rearranged for next along with an apology for not calling me......just got to suck up some of the incompetency that I have seen since being out of work........
sorry to the chap who left the factory/labelling job - I have similar fears about being barked at working for Amazon if they think I can do the job faster faster faster.........
keep going......
From the agencies and people recruiting, it is just one thing they have to focus on so they don't see it in the same way. Doesn't make it right. Some of the professionalism, or lack of, has been a surprise to me so you aren't alone. I think some need to improve the recruiting process but probably little we can do about it and better focusing on what we can influence.
Good luck with Amazon, I'm sure you will be successful. They might offer a lot of overtime but get yourself in there first and get some standard shifts done and get used to it, with RM I did 41 hours in the first week and 44 this week. That includes two 12 hours shifts (I volunteered) and they were hard work and my body is still getting used to it. Also, doing some work gives you back some purpose and eases the pressure just a bit while you keep looking.
Oh and as an aside, if you get on packing at Amazon, can you ensure they use the packaging that fits what they are sending and not squeezing it into something half the size, they actually seal it properly, ensure the address details are printed on the label itself and not half of it missing and the label itself is on the packing properly, again not half on and sticking to everything else. Helps with the sorting and my poor hands!
sparky1pq said:
I think when you are out of work and looking it is your sole focus and dominates your life.
The strategy should be get away from this - to spend x% of your time job hunting, and the other x percent improving yourself. Be it volunteering or learning new skills/qualifications. And a healthy dose of exercising too, very important to de-stress by going for a run and so on.An employer will want to know what you were doing when out of work.
Not read all the thread, but OP hope you are using your time this way.
sparky1pq said:
egor110 said:
How chaotic is it ?
I’m back to work Monday so I’ll be delivering it.
Very busy but not chaotic, despite some of the poor labelling and packing from customers.I’m back to work Monday so I’ll be delivering it.
Ask your supervisor/manager if they have any jobs available/coming up? Delivery (driving) vacancies usually exist, and I don't mean HGV.
soad said:
sparky1pq said:
egor110 said:
How chaotic is it ?
I’m back to work Monday so I’ll be delivering it.
Very busy but not chaotic, despite some of the poor labelling and packing from customers.I’m back to work Monday so I’ll be delivering it.
Ask your supervisor/manager if they have any jobs available/coming up? Delivery (driving) vacancies usually exist, and I don't mean HGV.
Yep now your in the door do try and get a delivery job , in my opinion these jobs are safe as f
k as parcel volumes are increasing , new builds are increasing whilst our working week is reducing again next year.If in the future you find your dream job then you can always leave R.M
Back on the job hunting. Also have my first new JSA meeting this afternoon.
I've just found a job advertised by Adecco as a replenishment assistant. The ad doesn't tell you where you will be working and only tells you it involves helping people on the shop floor and replenishing stock. Bizarrely, the job is advertised as being part of a close-knit team during December, but closes on 21st December.
Anyone else think this is a ghost job for farming CV's?
I've just found a job advertised by Adecco as a replenishment assistant. The ad doesn't tell you where you will be working and only tells you it involves helping people on the shop floor and replenishing stock. Bizarrely, the job is advertised as being part of a close-knit team during December, but closes on 21st December.
Anyone else think this is a ghost job for farming CV's?
had a telephone interview earlier at 9.30am and the lady was not HR but an actual hiring manager on the floor I would be applying to work on so a good start.
she said it will take about 30 mins and it went to an hour - a great discussion sharing many things with the interviewer from our previous careers and this lady had also gone trhough redundancy only a year ago so we were on the same page etc but theres one thing ive learned in the last 8 months of job hunting - never take one good interview and think you nailed it because these days I dont know how they score or rate people I really dont. I cant be objective about my myself but it did go very well. I will know about whether I am through to a face 2 face interview in about 3-5 days. Getting it could be great because then its bound to be a January start which would mean I can switch off and relax over all of the Xmas and new year period with no worries.
didnt flinch on any of the questions and managed to reduce the number of times I uttered the "Urrr" sound. I know its poor form and I am aware I do it.
Salary is pathetic at less than £18k for 37 hours with the same easy commute as in my last job but it will pay my bills and bridge the gap on my CV while I can carry looking at something that pays what I want. I cant afford to sit back and wait for that ideal pay packet so I will take this and try to be in something better in the summer.
Time to put this one out of my head now and keep applying......
hate it though....hate the uncertainty. and the hoop jumping.
she said it will take about 30 mins and it went to an hour - a great discussion sharing many things with the interviewer from our previous careers and this lady had also gone trhough redundancy only a year ago so we were on the same page etc but theres one thing ive learned in the last 8 months of job hunting - never take one good interview and think you nailed it because these days I dont know how they score or rate people I really dont. I cant be objective about my myself but it did go very well. I will know about whether I am through to a face 2 face interview in about 3-5 days. Getting it could be great because then its bound to be a January start which would mean I can switch off and relax over all of the Xmas and new year period with no worries.
didnt flinch on any of the questions and managed to reduce the number of times I uttered the "Urrr" sound. I know its poor form and I am aware I do it.
Salary is pathetic at less than £18k for 37 hours with the same easy commute as in my last job but it will pay my bills and bridge the gap on my CV while I can carry looking at something that pays what I want. I cant afford to sit back and wait for that ideal pay packet so I will take this and try to be in something better in the summer.
Time to put this one out of my head now and keep applying......
hate it though....hate the uncertainty. and the hoop jumping.
Edited by ToothbrushMan on Wednesday 5th December 13:51
My fourpenneth.
Had to use agencies for over a decade and they are a necessary evil.
Some of them are very good, knowledgeable. If you get someone senior talking to you they are good.
A few bad things, scouting for CV's, they will ring you asking if you are on the lookout to try and update your details, what they are really after is where you are working, I never tell them. And just say something like, "is this call about a specific job", soon makes them quicken up the process. And despite the fact they all do it, I have never recommended anyone I know for a job, that is the Polish, Asian way, not me. And usually means something quite different!
The dumbass office junior, sorry to be sexist, but usually a girl who knows absolutely nothing about the industry she is recruiting for, has no clue at all what she is asking you, has no clue about the company she is recruiting for either, just reading crap off a webpage ad job description.
I much prefer dealing with companies themselves, but understandably most of them use agencies as they cant be arsed with what is a difficult process.
I have been underpaid, never paid, bad mouthed to a client meaning I can never work there again despite it being an agencies fault, dropped from a job offer because someone lost my paperwork. All things inbetwewen.
Admittedly no angel myself and will walk out on jobs that are awful, but over the years established good contact with a few agencies and try and use them as much as I can.
Some I would never use, Morson for one. Alexander Mann for another. Anyone who has their admin based in Poland for cheapness, meaning half the time if you have an issue you need an interpreter, has to be a concern.
Had to use agencies for over a decade and they are a necessary evil.
Some of them are very good, knowledgeable. If you get someone senior talking to you they are good.
A few bad things, scouting for CV's, they will ring you asking if you are on the lookout to try and update your details, what they are really after is where you are working, I never tell them. And just say something like, "is this call about a specific job", soon makes them quicken up the process. And despite the fact they all do it, I have never recommended anyone I know for a job, that is the Polish, Asian way, not me. And usually means something quite different!
The dumbass office junior, sorry to be sexist, but usually a girl who knows absolutely nothing about the industry she is recruiting for, has no clue at all what she is asking you, has no clue about the company she is recruiting for either, just reading crap off a webpage ad job description.
I much prefer dealing with companies themselves, but understandably most of them use agencies as they cant be arsed with what is a difficult process.
I have been underpaid, never paid, bad mouthed to a client meaning I can never work there again despite it being an agencies fault, dropped from a job offer because someone lost my paperwork. All things inbetwewen.
Admittedly no angel myself and will walk out on jobs that are awful, but over the years established good contact with a few agencies and try and use them as much as I can.
Some I would never use, Morson for one. Alexander Mann for another. Anyone who has their admin based in Poland for cheapness, meaning half the time if you have an issue you need an interpreter, has to be a concern.
ToothbrushMan said:
had a telephone interview earlier at 9.30am and the lady was not HR but an actual hiring manager on the floor I would be applying to work on so a good start.
she said it will take about 30 mins and it went to an hour - a great discussion sharing many things with the interviewer from our previous careers and this lady had also gone trhough redundancy only a year ago so we were on the same page etc but theres one thing ive learned in the last 8 months of job hunting - never take one good interview and think you nailed it because these days I dont know how they score or rate people I really dont. I cant be objective about my myself but it did go very well. I will know about whether I am through to a face 2 face interview in about 3-5 days. Getting it could be great because then its bound to be a January start which would mean I can switch off and relax over all of the Xmas and new year period with no worries.
didnt flinch on any of the questions and managed to reduce the number of times I uttered the "Urrr" sound. I know its poor form and I am aware I do it.
Salary is pathetic at less than £18k for 37 hours with the same easy commute as in my last job but it will pay my bills and bridge the gap on my CV while I can carry looking at something that pays what I want. I cant afford to sit back and wait for that ideal pay packet so I will take this and try to be in something better in the summer.
Time to put this one out of my head now and keep applying......
hate it though....hate the uncertainty. and the hoop jumping.
Hope it turns out ok for you.she said it will take about 30 mins and it went to an hour - a great discussion sharing many things with the interviewer from our previous careers and this lady had also gone trhough redundancy only a year ago so we were on the same page etc but theres one thing ive learned in the last 8 months of job hunting - never take one good interview and think you nailed it because these days I dont know how they score or rate people I really dont. I cant be objective about my myself but it did go very well. I will know about whether I am through to a face 2 face interview in about 3-5 days. Getting it could be great because then its bound to be a January start which would mean I can switch off and relax over all of the Xmas and new year period with no worries.
didnt flinch on any of the questions and managed to reduce the number of times I uttered the "Urrr" sound. I know its poor form and I am aware I do it.
Salary is pathetic at less than £18k for 37 hours with the same easy commute as in my last job but it will pay my bills and bridge the gap on my CV while I can carry looking at something that pays what I want. I cant afford to sit back and wait for that ideal pay packet so I will take this and try to be in something better in the summer.
Time to put this one out of my head now and keep applying......
hate it though....hate the uncertainty. and the hoop jumping.
Edited by ToothbrushMan on Wednesday 5th December 13:51
I had some good interviews last time around and they amounted to nothing. As you say, don't get your hopes up. Keep peddling at it.
Did my JSA meeting today. Chap wondered why I had been booked as a new claim as I'm on a rapid reclaim. He said it'll just carry on from where I left it a month ago. It all helps.
He did ask why I didn't wait at least a month to leave the job (as it helps my claim in some way). I said I couldn't and if I did, I would have been tied into a month's notice. Speaking of which, I haven't heard a thing from the old job since I resigned last week.
was going to start a new thread but i think this rant fits into this thread sufficiently to justify its inclusion.....
had an interview on Monday in the city centre at 2pm - great bought an off peak return train ticket and went along.
come to today at my signing at the jobcentre and when the "advisor" said thats it see you in 2 weeks I pulled out my tickets and evidence of the interview and asked him to put it through for me to reclaim the cost which was £4.80
he huffed and puffed and said oh we dont pay on those. I asked why adding that they have refunded me before for a lot more than £4.60 - his response was that they only cover fares that are outside of your local area. The system sucks because you are expected to apply for work up to 90 minutes travel time from your home - I dont recall seeing or hearing anything about a minimum distance which in this case was 30 mins with the train and walk combined.
I laughed and said so I dont get any help? he said you do but only where its outside your local area so you have to cover the cost yourself.
where is the long term view by the DWP that in potentially paying me back for a paltry £4.80 they could end my benefit and I would once again be a tax payer? The system is so antiquated and rigid its untrue. Stupid rules and hurdles. I though Esther McVey said something about the jobcentre offering jobseekers "help and support" so really what she meant is no money for travel expenses to all interviews.
Anyways he got me to sign a form and said he will take it up with his manager for which I thanked him for trying. so no guarantee I will see that money again and TBH it stinks if they dont pay up. I said it might not sound like much money but I havent had any benefit for 5 weeks as I am between JSA claims right now. so to me a fiver is food for a day or two.
The other way of looking at this if thats their stance is lets say I got 7 interviews all at different times one each day of the week and the travel was £10 a day. If you are claiming £73.10 in JSA that leaves you with £3.10 for food gas electric council tax top up TV licence internet phone bills etc.......it wouldnt even buy you a Latte at Starbucks. I have redundancy funds for extras like this but imagine if I had no funds at all and literally relied on benefit - where do i go then? Crackers it is.
had an interview on Monday in the city centre at 2pm - great bought an off peak return train ticket and went along.
come to today at my signing at the jobcentre and when the "advisor" said thats it see you in 2 weeks I pulled out my tickets and evidence of the interview and asked him to put it through for me to reclaim the cost which was £4.80
he huffed and puffed and said oh we dont pay on those. I asked why adding that they have refunded me before for a lot more than £4.60 - his response was that they only cover fares that are outside of your local area. The system sucks because you are expected to apply for work up to 90 minutes travel time from your home - I dont recall seeing or hearing anything about a minimum distance which in this case was 30 mins with the train and walk combined.
I laughed and said so I dont get any help? he said you do but only where its outside your local area so you have to cover the cost yourself.
where is the long term view by the DWP that in potentially paying me back for a paltry £4.80 they could end my benefit and I would once again be a tax payer? The system is so antiquated and rigid its untrue. Stupid rules and hurdles. I though Esther McVey said something about the jobcentre offering jobseekers "help and support" so really what she meant is no money for travel expenses to all interviews.
Anyways he got me to sign a form and said he will take it up with his manager for which I thanked him for trying. so no guarantee I will see that money again and TBH it stinks if they dont pay up. I said it might not sound like much money but I havent had any benefit for 5 weeks as I am between JSA claims right now. so to me a fiver is food for a day or two.
The other way of looking at this if thats their stance is lets say I got 7 interviews all at different times one each day of the week and the travel was £10 a day. If you are claiming £73.10 in JSA that leaves you with £3.10 for food gas electric council tax top up TV licence internet phone bills etc.......it wouldnt even buy you a Latte at Starbucks. I have redundancy funds for extras like this but imagine if I had no funds at all and literally relied on benefit - where do i go then? Crackers it is.
^I feel for you. The state is good at kicking people down when they need help most. Look at the number of homeless people and with mental problems, much of it starting with something simple like losing income for a short time. The state is all about helping the rich who in comparison barely pay double digit percentage points in tax, whilst the rest of us mugs pay 30%+.
funkyrobot said:
Got the bakery job. Ha ha.
My career has been solely in IT, but I'm fed up with it so want out. By sheer chance the lady who interviewed me used to be in IT 15 years ago, got fed up with it and went into catering.
Job is only minor wage and not full time. However, it has potential, my wife is going back to work and the timings mean I can do one school run a day and have time to try and set something up ourselves.
A bakery in Manchester ?My career has been solely in IT, but I'm fed up with it so want out. By sheer chance the lady who interviewed me used to be in IT 15 years ago, got fed up with it and went into catering.
Job is only minor wage and not full time. However, it has potential, my wife is going back to work and the timings mean I can do one school run a day and have time to try and set something up ourselves.
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