Trials of Finding New Job

[chunder27]

In my experience if a company wanted you thy usually move very quickly, to engage your notice and perhaps an accommodation notice too.

Anything else you will just get a Dear John with no real feedback to prevent you from asking questions weeks or months after the interview or call. Companies would happily just ignore you, but they usually get round to it much later.

I had one the other day that wanted a start on Monday, I was otherwise engaged that day for another interview for a more interesting job, said I had doctors appointment, they haven't rung back as they no doubt have a queue of blokes who can start Monday.

It is a ruthless, utterly savage environment with agencies, they are utterly interested in money, their cut, and not much else.

Can't think of a job I would want less actually, the amount of lies, false hope, utter garbage spouted to me over the years by recruitment agencies is staggering, incessantly wanting to know where you have worked.

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

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chunder27 said:

Can't think of a job I would want less actually, the amount of lies, false hope, utter garbage spouted to me over the years by recruitment agencies is staggering, incessantly wanting to know where you have worked.

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

Standard industry practise it seems

Pound to a penny she would be phoning your referee, using YOUR name as an icebreaker, and then try to wheedle as much information as she could about where you used to work.

[bad company]

chunder27 said:

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

That ‘stupid cow’ has a job, sounds like you don’t. Still I bet she was crestfallen that you hung up on her.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

chunder27 said:

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

That ‘stupid cow’ has a job, sounds like you don’t. Still I bet she was crestfallen that you hung up on her.

I expect her pay depends directly on how many people she can catch with seemingly innocent questions. She may have a job but it's not an honest one.

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bad company said:

chunder27 said:

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

That ‘stupid cow’ has a job, sounds like you don’t. Still I bet she was crestfallen that you hung up on her.

So do People traffickers - sign up as many people as you can on false promises of employment and then use them to earn as much money for yourself as you possibly can.

[bad company]

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bad company said:

chunder27 said:

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

That ‘stupid cow’ has a job, sounds like you don’t. Still I bet she was crestfallen that you hung up on her.

So do People traffickers - sign up as many people as you can on false promises of employment and then use them to earn as much money for yourself as you possibly can.

I didn’t think it’d take long for you to react, I was right.

If the promises were all false how would the recruiters make money?

I understand the frustrations of people on this thread who are trying to find decent jobs but seriously the recruitment industry isn’t to blame.

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bad company said:

I didn’t think it’d take long for you to react, I was right.

If the promises were all false how would the recruiters make money?

Same way people traffickers manage to,

I understand the frustrations of people on this thread who are trying to find decent jobs but seriously the recruitment industry isn’t to blame.

Maybe not wholly but, as an Industry, it does seem to accept/tolerate practices/behaviours which most professional people would consider unacceptable.

we've gone over this on numerous threads so lets just agree to disagree

[chunder27]

I would rather not work that work in recruitment, seriously, you need to have a certain attitude to do it, and I have not got that, so why on earth would I rather be doing that than nothing! Dumb statement, she was just an office junior trying to get companies to ring, as she asked me the same question (probably from a sheet) numerous times dressed up in different styles.

Not all agencies are the same, a heck of a lot are useful, decent and do their jobs well. But once you have been messed about by them a few times you just have your guard up, I have lost jobs because of woeful agency workers, and I have lost plenty of jobs myself, I am not in any way saying otherwise. Let me give examples. Paperwork lost, phones put down in urgent situations, ghost class they deny despite proof, references not followed up, details not passed on. So I treat them with as much disdain as they deserve I am afraid. They are not all the same, but some, especially the big ones are so poor honestly.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

If the promises were all false how would the recruiters make money?

They make their money from employers, not employees (that was made illegal a long time ago). So it really doesn't matter how they treat job seekers, no more than cabbages matter to Tesco.

[bad company]

singlecoil said:

bad company said:

If the promises were all false how would the recruiters make money?

They make their money from employers, not employees (that was made illegal a long time ago). So it really doesn't matter how they treat job seekers, no more than cabbages matter to Tesco.

Employers will pay recruiters to find them quality candidates. Put into your context if Tesco’s cabbage was rubbish they wouldn’t sell much.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

singlecoil said:

bad company said:

If the promises were all false how would the recruiters make money?

They make their money from employers, not employees (that was made illegal a long time ago). So it really doesn't matter how they treat job seekers, no more than cabbages matter to Tesco.

Employers will pay recruiters to find them quality candidates. Put into your context if Tesco’s cabbage was rubbish they wouldn’t sell much.

Let me enlarge on my analogy- Tescos have more cabbages putting themselves forward to be bought than they have customers for them. As long as the customer buys a cabbage then they don't care about the other cabbages, because they don't make their money from cabbages, they make it from customers.

[bad company]

singlecoil said:

Let me enlarge on my analogy- Tescos have more cabbages putting themselves forward to be bought than they have customers for them. As long as the customer buys a cabbage then they don't care about the other cabbages, because they don't make their money from cabbages, they make it from customers.

There’s the problem. In some industries there’s a shortage of skilled people. In others it’s a buyers market with too many people chasing too few jobs.

Edited by bad company on Friday 2nd August 20:34

[funkyrobot]

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funkyrobot said:

Bit strange that it's taking them so long though?

I've moved on now.

Chances are that whoever their 1st choice was, was using this offer to get a raise from their current boss, and that can sometimes take ages to go up and down the chain of command.....

Still not heard anything from the mobile phone sales job. Nothing. No contact saying I hadn't got the job and no feedback. Wonderful. I guess that's Vodafone for you.

Anyhow, had a job interview at a well known fast food outlet this morning. They want me, now. I've never had a job interview before where they have said within half an hour they want to hire me.

Just have to talk it over with my horrible wife before I accept though due to the rota system and childcare. Only have to provide a week's notice from the current job, so not too long to wait.

[egor110]

Are any of your local hospitals have job fairs ?

Our local is having a big recruitment drive , interviews on the day bring your national insurance number etc because there hiring there and then subject to criminal records check.

[lyonspride]

bad company said:

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bad company said:

chunder27 said:

One stupid cow wanted to know a reference before she had even singled out a job for me to go for, I just kept saying, I will give you a reference if you give me a direct job to apply for, and she kept on at me so I said I know what you game is "love" and put the phone down. Just garbage selling.

That ‘stupid cow’ has a job, sounds like you don’t. Still I bet she was crestfallen that you hung up on her.

So do People traffickers - sign up as many people as you can on false promises of employment and then use them to earn as much money for yourself as you possibly can.

I didn’t think it’d take long for you to react, I was right.

If the promises were all false how would the recruiters make money?

I understand the frustrations of people on this thread who are trying to find decent jobs but seriously the recruitment industry isn’t to blame.

Most of these type of "recruitment consultants" are students, they don't give a damn about the company making money, they only care about meeting their daily/weekly targets. Targets which are heavily focused on obtaining contact details for new potential customers. Due to these pressures, most don't last more than a few years.

What harm does it do?
Well their two main "tricks" are very harmful, pestering your former employer could piss them off so much that you lose any chance of a reference, and the trick of asking you "what other roles have you interviewed for?" (usually leads onto who the interviewer was and what they asked during the interview) gives them a new contact to which they can then put forward candidates for, decreasing your chances of getting the job, due an unfair advantage of grooming their candidates for the interview.

Along those lines, sometimes you'll also get sent for an interview with minimal preparation, the agency using you to scope out the interview process for one of their other candidates.

[bad company]

lyonspride said:

Most of these type of "recruitment consultants" are students, they don't give a damn about the company making money, they only care about meeting their daily/weekly targets. Targets which are heavily focused on obtaining contact details for new potential customers. Due to these pressures, most don't last more than a few years.

What harm does it do?
Well their two main "tricks" are very harmful, pestering your former employer could piss them off so much that you lose any chance of a reference, and the trick of asking you "what other roles have you interviewed for?" (usually leads onto who the interviewer was and what they asked during the interview) gives them a new contact to which they can then put forward candidates for, decreasing your chances of getting the job, due an unfair advantage of grooming their candidates for the interview.

Along those lines, sometimes you'll also get sent for an interview with minimal preparation, the agency using you to scope out the interview process for one of their other candidates.

The funniest part is that you seem to actually believe that rubbish.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

The funniest part is that you seem to actually believe that rubbish.

Funnier than that is that you appear not to.

[bad company]

singlecoil said:

bad company said:

The funniest part is that you seem to actually believe that rubbish.

Funnier than that is that you appear not to.

The difference being that I worked in recruitment for over 20 years so actually know something about the business rather than just making stuff up.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

singlecoil said:

bad company said:

The funniest part is that you seem to actually believe that rubbish.

Funnier than that is that you appear not to.

The difference being that I worked in recruitment for over 20 years so actually know something about the business rather than just making stuff up.

Nobody is saying that you or anyone else in your firm did any of that stuff, but that doesn't mean you have any better idea of what goes on in other firms than any of their victims.

In fact your attitude here is very naive.

[lyonspride]

bad company said:

singlecoil said:

bad company said:

The funniest part is that you seem to actually believe that rubbish.

Funnier than that is that you appear not to.

The difference being that I worked in recruitment for over 20 years so actually know something about the business rather than just making stuff up.

You know something about the businesses you worked for, that's all. If you worked in management (?) then you'd probably have no idea what was going on in the name of meeting targets.

If a target is set as "do a good job", people do a good job. if a target is set as "do X number of Y every Z days", people will take the quickest path to achieving that, and if that path is morally corrupt, then it take a very unique type of person to resist that.

Edited by lyonspride on Thursday 22 August 10:43