Trials of Finding New Job

[bad company]

lyonspride said:

You know something about the businesses you worked for, that's all. If you worked in management (?) then you'd probably have no idea what was going on in the name of meeting targets.

If a target is set as "do a good job", people do a good job. if a target is set as "do X number of Y every Z days", people will take the quickest path to achieving that, and if that path is morally corrupt, then it take a very unique type of person to resist that.

Edited by lyonspride on Thursday 22 August 10:43

I owned and managed a recruitment firm. I also worked on the ‘shop floor’ so yes I knew what consultants were doing. I was also a Fellow of https://www.rec.uk.com/ which involved the working practices of other members.

I’m saying that all agencies are honest and ethical but there’s a lot of ignorance probably fuelled by frustration on this thread.

[PorkInsider]

bad company said:

I’m saying that all agencies are honest and ethical but there’s a lot of ignorance probably fuelled by frustration on this thread.

You've got to be having a laugh!

There are more shysters out there in the world of 'recruitment' than any other industry I can think of, including estate agency and secondhand car sales.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

I owned and managed a recruitment firm. I also worked on the ‘shop floor’ so yes I knew what consultants were doing. I was also a Fellow of https://www.rec.uk.com/ which involved the working practices of other members.

How on earth could that possibly entitle you to know anything about how other firms work?

Do you think the managers of the other companies came to the meetings of your society and told you what their staff were up to?

There's none so blind as those who won't see.

[Flibble]

bad company said:

I owned and managed a recruitment firm. I also worked on the ‘shop floor’ so yes I knew what consultants were doing. I was also a Fellow of https://www.rec.uk.com/ which involved the working practices of other members.

I’m saying that all agencies are honest and ethical but there’s a lot of ignorance probably fuelled by frustration on this thread.

Was it called "La la la I can't hear you! Recruitment"?

[p4cks]

Anyway I know I can't be choosy but...

I had a final stage interview last week for a job I really didn't fancy, and just waiting to hear back (secretly hoping I've not been successful).

I have another final stage interview this afternoon for another company which is a great job, but it's miles away so will use the opportunity to decide whether I can do the trip twice a day 5 times a week. Helpfully, my interview is at 3pm so that when I come home it'll be rush hour which will again help the decision.

For another role I'm in the process for I had a first stage interview last week and it is a lot more local to me so I'm hoping that I'm successful with this one. The first interview went really well and I'm really hoping that I'm invited back and get this job

Applied for a couple more too, so if none of the above come to fruition then at least I've erred on the side of caution

[bad company]

PorkInsider said:

You've got to be having a laugh!

There are more shysters out there in the world of 'recruitment' than any other industry I can think of, including estate agency and secondhand car sales.

And you know that to be a fact because?

[PorkInsider]

bad company said:

PorkInsider said:

You've got to be having a laugh!

There are more shysters out there in the world of 'recruitment' than any other industry I can think of, including estate agency and secondhand car sales.

And you know that to be a fact because?

Years of experience on both sides of desk: using recruiters to find staff, contact with them when changing jobs, being approached by them for roles they're trying to fill (whether or not they actually exist).

Anyway, same question back to you.

You know this to be a fact?

bad company said:

I’m saying that all agencies are honest and ethical but there’s a lot of ignorance probably fuelled by frustration on this thread.

[bad company]

PorkInsider said:

bad company said:

I’m saying that all agencies are honest and ethical but there’s a lot of ignorance probably fuelled by frustration on this thread.

Ah yes, I seem to have made a typo. Terribly sorry old chap.

[p4cks]

Can you two agree to disagree on this do you think? Seems like it's become an unwinable for both of you

[singlecoil]

Seems to me that peole are relating their experiences with employment agencies, then BC comes along and denies it. It's not really an argument, he's simply contradicting them.

[bad company]

singlecoil said:

Seems to me that peole are relating their experiences with employment agencies, then BC comes along and denies it. It's not really an argument, he's simply contradicting them.

I'd say that some people are frustrated with the job market/process and blame the agents. There’s a lot of assumptions and huffing.

Anyway seeing as you haven’t paid for this length of argument and I don’t want to resort to contradiction let’s call time. Monty Python fans will understand.

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bad company said:

I'd say that some people are frustrated with the job market/process and blame the agents. There’s a lot of assumptions and huffing.

Whine both prospective Employers AND Employees suggest that a lot of RC’s operate in an unethical manner doesn’t that tell you how scummy the industry is?

And, yes, I know the industry turns over £X billion a year. That doesn’t somehow make it ethical.

[singlecoil]

bad company said:

singlecoil said:

Seems to me that peole are relating their experiences with employment agencies, then BC comes along and denies it. It's not really an argument, he's simply contradicting them.

I'd say that some people are frustrated with the job market/process and blame the agents. There’s a lot of assumptions and huffing.

Anyway seeing as you haven’t paid for this length of argument and I don’t want to resort to contradiction let’s call time. Monty Python fans will understand.

We'll call time when you stop denying people's experiences.

[bad company]

singlecoil said:

We'll call time when you stop denying people's experiences.

I’m denying people’s opinions not experiences.

[bad company]

Countdown said:

bad company said:

I'd say that some people are frustrated with the job market/process and blame the agents. There’s a lot of assumptions and huffing.

Whine both prospective Employers AND Employees suggest that a lot of RC’s operate in an unethical manner doesn’t that tell you how scummy the industry is?

And, yes, I know the industry turns over £X billion a year. That doesn’t somehow make it ethical.

The industry is so unethical that clients and candidates keep coming back.

[Countdown]

bad company said:

The industry is so unethical that clients and candidates keep coming back.

There are plenty of unethical industries which thrive, either because clients/customers don't know any better and get taken in by the lies, or because they're desperate.

I use RC all the time for agency staff. Lots of businesses need short-term staff quickly. I don't think anybody disputes that so there will always be a need for Recruitment Companies. However what leaves a sour taste in the mouth is the scummy way in which they operate. They will lie to you blatantly in the hope they don't get found out, and if they DO get found out, they'll blame the candidate.

I've lost count of the number of times when I've asked a candidate to describe their SAP/Oracle/Aggresso experience only to be told that they've never used it, and can't understand why it's on the CV the Agency sent through. That's just one example of sleazy practice, i could go on for a while but (as you know) we'd only be going over the same ground again.

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bad company said:

singlecoil said:

We'll call time when you stop denying people's experiences.

I’m denying people’s opinions not experiences.

Opinions are usually based on experiences. Off the top of my head

-asking candidates where else they're applying so the Agency can also send other candidates there
- lying to Employers about a candidates experience
- submitting CVs for candidates who aren't available
- submitting CVs for candidates who haven't asked the Agency to represent them
- underpaying the Temp
- advertising jobs which don't exist

[bad company]

Countdown said:

Opinions are usually based on experiences. Off the top of my head

-asking candidates where else they're applying so the Agency can also send other candidates there
- lying to Employers about a candidates experience
- submitting CVs for candidates who aren't available
- submitting CVs for candidates who haven't asked the Agency to represent them
- underpaying the Temp
- advertising jobs which don't exist

I’m not saying that none of that stuff ever happens but very rare. For example submitting candidates details without consent would contravene data protection laws, that’s a criminal offence. Do you really deal with such agents?

On various occasions we were accused of the stuff you outline. Usually it was because the candidate lied to us.

Edited by bad company on Friday 23 August 10:45

[anonymous-user]

My temp job I've had last 1.5 years may be coming to an end. Been applying for everything and anything but nothing back, very frustrating these are low salary roles.

[Flibble]

Countdown said:

I use RC all the time for agency staff. Lots of businesses need short-term staff quickly. I don't think anybody disputes that so there will always be a need for Recruitment Companies. However what leaves a sour taste in the mouth is the scummy way in which they operate. They will lie to you blatantly in the hope they don't get found out, and if they DO get found out, they'll blame the candidate.

bad company said:

On various occasions we were accused of the stuff you outline. Usually it was because the candidate lied to us.