Trials of Finding New Job
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rscott said:
Got nothing against the hobbyist coder - that's how I started.
My point was that the agency had "embellished" his CV, completely changing what he'd told them.
Well once again we're into the realms of recruitment people meeting targets by any means necessary. Their targets don't include meeting the needs of the customers, because quality in any industry is something very few people know how to measure, whilst quantity is extremely simple.My point was that the agency had "embellished" his CV, completely changing what he'd told them.
It annoys me as I did a stint in quality engineering, another profession that employers see as a necessary evil, another profession that tends to lead to short term contract work.
Thesprucegoose said:
My temp job I've had last 1.5 years may be coming to an end. Been applying for everything and anything but nothing back, very frustrating these are low salary roles.
Any thoughts on why that may be?Are you targeting roles that you can do and are you sufficiently personalising your CV/application forms?
rscott said:
Rewriting the CV as I described is lying though.
Equally, if I ask for someone with 5 years experience, I don't mind if they say something like "it's hard to find that, but here's someone with 3 years". However, they don't - they send someone with zero experience whatsoever.
We have a policy not to deal with recruiters who can't comprehend that instruction in job ads - our view is if they can't follow that instruction, what other details do they ignore.
You may find this interesting:-Equally, if I ask for someone with 5 years experience, I don't mind if they say something like "it's hard to find that, but here's someone with 3 years". However, they don't - they send someone with zero experience whatsoever.
We have a policy not to deal with recruiters who can't comprehend that instruction in job ads - our view is if they can't follow that instruction, what other details do they ignore.
https://thehr.blog/2019/05/13/what-are-the-advanta...
bad company said:
That is how I operate. Found one recruitment agency we trust and like (we did have to kiss a few frogs before finding the prince to be fair), negotiated a fee that made sense for us both and now use them exclusively to find back and middle office staff, both temp and perm. They send a decent selection of candidates and we've not had a serious problem with them in the 7 or so years we've had this arrangement. We point blank refuse to deal with any other agencies who cold call us for fear of f
king up a good thing.There are definitely some scumbags out there, but there are also some decent ones who earn their fee, and have at least one satisfied customer in me (and hopefully the people who they have placed with us too).
bad company said:
This bit certainly was.The HR Blog said:
I think we can all agree that it is no secret that the recruitment industry has a poor reputation for service and perceived value for money.
bad company said:
Not particularly - we don't recruit frequently enough to be able to find this mythical perfect, honest agency.It does confirm what everyone but you has been saying in this thread though - the industry has a poor reputation.
easytiger123 said:
bad company said:
That is how I operate. Found one recruitment agency we trust and like (we did have to kiss a few frogs before finding the prince to be fair), negotiated a fee that made sense for us both and now use them exclusively to find back and middle office staff, both temp and perm. They send a decent selection of candidates and we've not had a serious problem with them in the 7 or so years we've had this arrangement. We point blank refuse to deal with any other agencies who cold call us for fear of fking up a good thing.There are definitely some scumbags out there, but there are also some decent ones who earn their fee, and have at least one satisfied customer in me (and hopefully the people who they have placed with us too).
bad company said:
easytiger123 said:
bad company said:
That is how I operate. Found one recruitment agency we trust and like (we did have to kiss a few frogs before finding the prince to be fair), negotiated a fee that made sense for us both and now use them exclusively to find back and middle office staff, both temp and perm. They send a decent selection of candidates and we've not had a serious problem with them in the 7 or so years we've had this arrangement. We point blank refuse to deal with any other agencies who cold call us for fear of fking up a good thing.There are definitely some scumbags out there, but there are also some decent ones who earn their fee, and have at least one satisfied customer in me (and hopefully the people who they have placed with us too).
lyonspride said:
As opposed to the wrong way, which is infinitely more common................. Playing agencies off against each other, just as employers these days do to their staff.
Playing agencies against each other increases the risks of duplication of candidates and encourages the agencies to send cv’s as quickly as possible to avoid a competitor getting in first with the same candidate. This often does not allow the agency sufficient time to do the job properly.bad company said:
lyonspride said:
As opposed to the wrong way, which is infinitely more common................. Playing agencies off against each other, just as employers these days do to their staff.
Playing agencies against each other increases the risks of duplication of candidates and encourages the agencies to send cv’s as quickly as possible to avoid a competitor getting in first with the same candidate. This often does not allow the agency sufficient time to do the job properly.if it was a senior role then we would use a single agency approach.
Countdown said:
Actually, depending on which grade we're looking for, we don't mind that. We are basically looking for as many CVs as possible. We do the sifting and shortlisting in-house.
if it was a senior role then we would use a single agency approach.
Fair enough but the agents will be in a hurry to get their cvs in before others so less inclined to vet the candidates properly.if it was a senior role then we would use a single agency approach.
bad company said:
Countdown said:
Actually, depending on which grade we're looking for, we don't mind that. We are basically looking for as many CVs as possible. We do the sifting and shortlisting in-house.
if it was a senior role then we would use a single agency approach.
Fair enough but the agents will be in a hurry to get their cvs in before others so less inclined to vet the candidates properly.if it was a senior role then we would use a single agency approach.
"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
Since there's a bit of discussion when it comes to recruitment and recruitment agencies, I decided to turn my CV visibility on yesterday on Reed as an experiment. Obviously due to the BH everything was closed, but today within the space of about 90 minutes - 2 hours I received at least 6 phone calls/voicemails or emails (one was actually regarding a role I applied for a few weeks ago out of boredom). I know it'd be a godsend if you're actually looking, but wow it was like blood in the water to sharks. I've turned it off now to stop nuisance calls.
However, are these recruiters actually trying to find me a role or is it pure CV/detail farming?
However, are these recruiters actually trying to find me a role or is it pure CV/detail farming?
zippy3x said:
https://www.progressiverecruitment.com/en-gb/emplo...
"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
What makes you think they haven’t vetted their database?"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
bad company said:
zippy3x said:
https://www.progressiverecruitment.com/en-gb/emplo...
"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
What makes you think they haven’t vetted their database?"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
Flooble said:
bad company said:
zippy3x said:
https://www.progressiverecruitment.com/en-gb/emplo...
"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
What makes you think they haven’t vetted their database?"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
bad company said:
What makes you think they haven’t vetted their database?
To shamelessly steal something i saw on another threadYou .............................................................................................................. The point
My point was, pretty much all agencies post such statements, pretty much none of them (in my 23 year experience) have anything more than a passing relationship with their "database", and if they had the relationship they infer, then there would be no need to rush through improperly vetted candidates.
I've been dealing with Progressive (when unavoidable) for over ten years. I can assure you they don't vet their candidates
bad company said:
Flooble said:
bad company said:
zippy3x said:
https://www.progressiverecruitment.com/en-gb/emplo...
"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
What makes you think they haven’t vetted their database?"Over the course of 25 years, we've built up a large database of skilled professionals, from mid-level to c-suite"
You'd think in 25 years, they could have vetted their "large database" wouldn't you.
I mean all agencies are honest aren't they? It's not like they lying and just advertise a role, match a list of buzzwords and chuck it over the fence is it?
Flooble said:
Missing the point - they say they have "vetted" their database, but are spamming random people based on a CV from 10 years ago which should have long since been removed by that "vetting". Unless you are saying that they have one database for cold-calling people to generate leads and a separate one for when I actually ask them for a candidate ...
Yes they probably do have 2 databanks of live and potential candidates. We did just the same. We had a live database of people we knew are actively looking, these had been vetted and as lawyers we had checked their qualifications were up to date. We also had a database of who had registered with us previously but as far as we know were not currently in the market for a new job. We didn’t vet these candidates but we would write to them twice a year with a listing of current job opportunities. No doubt some on here think that’s unethical but I really can’t see why.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff