Trials of Finding New Job

[p4cks]

Job#2 came back to me yesterday... it was a rejection. They went for the other person but I suppose getting in to the last two is a positive. Anyway, it wasn’t meant to be so life goes on

Now just job#1 on the horizon, whenever this pandemic is over and people start returning to some sort of normality

[MitchT]

At the eleventh hour today I was informed of two perfect opportunities by a friend. On closer examination, the closing date for them both is midnight tonight. They'd both need quite a bit of prep so I'd need the weekend to get that done. This bids the question - why would a prospective employer have midnight on Friday as the closing date for a role when no one is going to look at the applications until Monday? Surely midnight on Sunday would be better. This bids a further question - would you have a punt at it anyway or will they flatly ignore your application because it wasn't in "on time", even though they won't look at any of the others until Monday either?

[hyphen]

p4cks said:

Job#2 came back to me yesterday... it was a rejection. They went for the other person but I suppose getting in to the last two is a positive. Anyway, it wasn’t meant to be so life goes on

Now just job#1 on the horizon, whenever this pandemic is over and people start returning to some sort of normality

Getting to last two is definitely a positive, and more so when the number of applicants are multiples of normal.

[BrabusMog]

MitchT said:

At the eleventh hour today I was informed of two perfect opportunities by a friend. On closer examination, the closing date for them both is midnight tonight. They'd both need quite a bit of prep so I'd need the weekend to get that done. This bids the question - why would a prospective employer have midnight on Friday as the closing date for a role when no one is going to look at the applications until Monday? Surely midnight on Sunday would be better. This bids a further question - would you have a punt at it anyway or will they flatly ignore your application because it wasn't in "on time", even though they won't look at any of the others until Monday either?

Apply or don’t apply, nobody is forcing you to do anything. The agenda behind job advertising is usually that a business needs to hire someone.

[hyphen]

MitchT said:

At the eleventh hour today I was informed of two perfect opportunities by a friend. On closer examination, the closing date for them both is midnight tonight. They'd both need quite a bit of prep so I'd need the weekend to get that done. This bids the question - why would a prospective employer have midnight on Friday as the closing date for a role when no one is going to look at the applications until Monday? Surely midnight on Sunday would be better. This bids a further question - would you have a punt at it anyway or will they flatly ignore your application because it wasn't in "on time", even though they won't look at any of the others until Monday either?

Apply for it. Even if you dont get included, will be a good learning experience doing the application.

[lyonspride]

MitchT said:

At the eleventh hour today I was informed of two perfect opportunities by a friend. On closer examination, the closing date for them both is midnight tonight. They'd both need quite a bit of prep so I'd need the weekend to get that done. This bids the question - why would a prospective employer have midnight on Friday as the closing date for a role when no one is going to look at the applications until Monday? Surely midnight on Sunday would be better. This bids a further question - would you have a punt at it anyway or will they flatly ignore your application because it wasn't in "on time", even though they won't look at any of the others until Monday either?

Because it shows that you can work to a fictitious deadline?

It's a big thing these days, a lot of employers think that false deadlines make people work faster, when in truth they only result in shortcuts.

[lyonspride]

MitchT said:

At the eleventh hour today I was informed of two perfect opportunities by a friend. On closer examination, the closing date for them both is midnight tonight. They'd both need quite a bit of prep so I'd need the weekend to get that done. This bids the question - why would a prospective employer have midnight on Friday as the closing date for a role when no one is going to look at the applications until Monday? Surely midnight on Sunday would be better. This bids a further question - would you have a punt at it anyway or will they flatly ignore your application because it wasn't in "on time", even though they won't look at any of the others until Monday either?

Because it shows that you can work to a fictitious deadline?

It's a big thing these days, a lot of employers think that false deadlines make people work faster, when in truth they only result in shortcuts, substandard work and a team that begins to ignore all deadlines. It caused major issues at one place I worked, because the production staff got so sick of working their arses off for a Friday deadline, only for that work to sit around until half way through the following week. Then eventually when there really was a deadline, they couldn't be arsed.

Edited by lyonspride on Saturday 8th August 13:08

[Petrus1983]

I’ve been following this thread for a while and it’s been a massive help in pushing me to seek gainful employment. I’d been happily self employed for a long time - but the worlds a different place and what I thought was a growing company has had a knock back and will continue to decline rather than expand in current conditions. I went for an interview in an area that’s completely new to me - I got the job but it’s 100% commission based, but at the same time does give me a route to make some money that didn’t seem possible a few months ago.

[hyphen]

Petrus1983 said:

I’ve been following this thread for a while and it’s been a massive help in pushing me to seek gainful employment. I’d been happily self employed for a long time - but the worlds a different place and what I thought was a growing company has had a knock back and will continue to decline rather than expand in current conditions. I went for an interview in an area that’s completely new to me - I got the job but it’s 100% commission based, but at the same time does give me a route to make some money that didn’t seem possible a few months ago.

Congrats!

What are you selling?

[V8mate]

hyphen said:

MitchT said:

At the eleventh hour today I was informed of two perfect opportunities by a friend. On closer examination, the closing date for them both is midnight tonight. They'd both need quite a bit of prep so I'd need the weekend to get that done. This bids the question - why would a prospective employer have midnight on Friday as the closing date for a role when no one is going to look at the applications until Monday? Surely midnight on Sunday would be better. This bids a further question - would you have a punt at it anyway or will they flatly ignore your application because it wasn't in "on time", even though they won't look at any of the others until Monday either?

Apply for it. Even if you dont get included, will be a good learning experience doing the application.

You could always mention in your covering letter that you were only advised of the vacancy late on the closing date itself and hope that they'll find you a sufficiently compelling candidate to overlook the minor transgression.

[Monkeylegend]

hyphen said:

Petrus1983 said:

I’ve been following this thread for a while and it’s been a massive help in pushing me to seek gainful employment. I’d been happily self employed for a long time - but the worlds a different place and what I thought was a growing company has had a knock back and will continue to decline rather than expand in current conditions. I went for an interview in an area that’s completely new to me - I got the job but it’s 100% commission based, but at the same time does give me a route to make some money that didn’t seem possible a few months ago.

Congrats!

What are you selling?

Face coverings, should do well

[boyse7en]

Had a job interview at Tesco today.
Applied for a job as delivery driver - 6-10 sat and sun. Thought that was ideal as I. Currently working part time/part furloughed during the week.
Had a phone assessment on Monday, called back Tuesday to ask if I could come in on Wednesday as the manager was going on holiday on Thursday. Bit short notice but I rearranged stuff to get there.

Interview started well, then he asked when I was available... I said weekends like the advert was asking for. "No good to me. I need drivers I can call on anytime with an hour or so notice to come in and work. I need flexibility through the week"
I politely pointed out that if the advert had said that I wouldn't have applied. He then started explaining how his job was difficult because people "only want to work when it suits them" which I thought was a bit rich coming from a company that was offering a zero hours contract.
I then said that continuing was pointless for both of us, and that I might as well save him the time and leave now.

What a waste of everyone's time! Why advertise for a job stating certain hours which they have no intention of even remotely sticking to?

[KAgantua]

boyse7en said:

Had a job interview at Tesco today.
Applied for a job as delivery driver - 6-10 sat and sun. Thought that was ideal as I. Currently working part time/part furloughed during the week.
Had a phone assessment on Monday, called back Tuesday to ask if I could come in on Wednesday as the manager was going on holiday on Thursday. Bit short notice but I rearranged stuff to get there.

Interview started well, then he asked when I was available... I said weekends like the advert was asking for. "No good to me. I need drivers I can call on anytime with an hour or so notice to come in and work. I need flexibility through the week"
I politely pointed out that if the advert had said that I wouldn't have applied. He then started explaining how his job was difficult because people "only want to work when it suits them" which I thought was a bit rich coming from a company that was offering a zero hours contract.
I then said that continuing was pointless for both of us, and that I might as well save him the time and leave now.

What a waste of everyone's time! Why advertise for a job stating certain hours which they have no intention of even remotely sticking to?

LOL what a cock - advertises false job then moans that he gets unsuitable candidates.

[V8mate]

KAgantua said:

LOL what a cock - advertises false job then moans that he gets unsuitable candidates.

In all seriousness, that applies to the majority of jobs.

Recruitment should be so simple. You know what you need doing and when it needs to be done; you know what skills an appropriate postholder will require.

Yet, JDs get longer, ads more vague and, invariably, hiring managers making decisions based on none of the advertised criteria.

It's just fking shocking.

[toon10]

KAgantua said:

LOL what a cock - advertises false job then moans that he gets unsuitable candidates.

As a former manager and someone who had to do a lot of interviews I just don't get this. We have to do all the job spec work, job grade work with HR for pay, advertise and then the CV sift. That's all before you've selected the best of what is often a bad bunch. The interviews themselves take time to prepare properly. I simply didn't have the time to drag someone in on false pretences on the hope that they might be so desperate for work that I could throw a curve ball and change the requirement in the interview. Utter madness.

[singlecoil]

It almost certainly wasn't the guy he saw that placed the ad, in some organisations that a department of its own, hopefully liaising with the HR department etc.

[Petrus1983]

Monkeylegend said:

hyphen said:

Petrus1983 said:

I’ve been following this thread for a while and it’s been a massive help in pushing me to seek gainful employment. I’d been happily self employed for a long time - but the worlds a different place and what I thought was a growing company has had a knock back and will continue to decline rather than expand in current conditions. I went for an interview in an area that’s completely new to me - I got the job but it’s 100% commission based, but at the same time does give me a route to make some money that didn’t seem possible a few months ago.

Congrats!

What are you selling?

Face coverings, should do well

Sadly I missed the boat on face coverings despite feeling it could have been my calling in life. I’m going to be looking after double glazed windows designed for grade 2 listed buildings.

[MitchT]

Recently applied for a design job at the Civil Service for which I would be a really good match. Didn't get an interview and they scored me only 2 out of 7 on their feedback system. I can only surmise that the person screening the applications is a 0 out of 7 in their ability to identify suitable candidates for roles. Someone I worked with at a previous employer is already doing the same job and she has no design background whatsoever so this and my having applied, unsuccessfully, for a number of jobs at the CS leads me to conclude that success is not a result of being a good match for a role, but more some kind of witchcraft that makes you good at navigating their horrifically convoluted and irrelevant application process.

[MitchT]

Not me this time, the OH...

Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.

[Algarve]

MitchT said:

Not me this time, the OH...

Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.

I would be more concerned if she got an interview then failed to get the job. I'd wonder if she didn't come across very well in the interview for whatever reason.

If this other unqualified bloke got the job I'd probably just chalk it up as him having the job before it was even advertised and not a thing you can do about it.