Offered a job in Afghanistan! Do I go?!
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Dromedary66 said:
NewbishDelight said:
OP - drop me a PM, I might be able to give you a steer on the city depending on where they're planning to put you.
Why does the city matter? I doubt the techies on base ever leave it for fear of being beheaded by the taliban.Same detail for the transit routes between KAIA and different locations.
GT03ROB said:
Olivera said:
Absolutely not, unless you are being suitably rewarded for taking a contract in a dangerous and far flung location.
I'd say a reasonable rate would be £1000 per day.
It has to be done as a multiplier on UK nett to be meaningful & also factor in leave/conditions/risk. I'd say a reasonable rate would be £1000 per day.
By way of example my last 3 international assignments have been:
KSA : 3.5x UK Nett, all found, 4x flights pa, 36 days leave, 60hr 6day weeks, camp accommodation, visitors forget it, personal risk med
Kuwait : 2x Uk Nett, all found, 3x flights pa, 36 days leave, 48hr 5day weeks, 2 bed penthouse, visitors no probs, personal risk low
Kazakhstan : 1.8x UK Nett, all found, 6x flights pa, 6 months leave, 78hr 7 day weeks, prison accommodation, visitors forget it, personal risk low.
The company I work for also operates in Afghanistan on military compounds. Leave is better than than the md-east locations, nett annuals similar.
If I may ask, who do you work for? Feel from to PM if you want to answer, and don't want to say on here.
thanks
The Selfish Gene said:
GT03ROB said:
Olivera said:
Absolutely not, unless you are being suitably rewarded for taking a contract in a dangerous and far flung location.
I'd say a reasonable rate would be £1000 per day.
It has to be done as a multiplier on UK nett to be meaningful & also factor in leave/conditions/risk. I'd say a reasonable rate would be £1000 per day.
By way of example my last 3 international assignments have been:
KSA : 3.5x UK Nett, all found, 4x flights pa, 36 days leave, 60hr 6day weeks, camp accommodation, visitors forget it, personal risk med
Kuwait : 2x Uk Nett, all found, 3x flights pa, 36 days leave, 48hr 5day weeks, 2 bed penthouse, visitors no probs, personal risk low
Kazakhstan : 1.8x UK Nett, all found, 6x flights pa, 6 months leave, 78hr 7 day weeks, prison accommodation, visitors forget it, personal risk low.
The company I work for also operates in Afghanistan on military compounds. Leave is better than than the md-east locations, nett annuals similar.
If I may ask, who do you work for? Feel from to PM if you want to answer, and don't want to say on here.
thanks
Op you also need to consider tax implications if you only take position short term, as you will be liable for UK tax then.
I have done most of middle east in past 11 years Saudi working EPC in Jubail 6.5 days for 3 months then 15 off was just one long blur.
Hope interview went ok and yes take it otherwise you will be sat thinking if only......
I have done most of middle east in past 11 years Saudi working EPC in Jubail 6.5 days for 3 months then 15 off was just one long blur.
Hope interview went ok and yes take it otherwise you will be sat thinking if only......
Dromedary66 said:
No uplift over Leeds rates.
75 days straight
Permanently stuck in a NATO compound.
Sounds awesome...
Mirrors my view. 75 days straight
Permanently stuck in a NATO compound.
Sounds awesome...
I was amazed they were hoping to attract someone to the role on U.K. rates but reading how many on here would be willing, why offer incentivised rates?! To say I am staggered by these answers is an understatement.
GT03ROB said:
These are working for EPC contractors. Whilst I work predominantly in O&G, the company covers infrastructure, power, mining, DoD. All projects & roles (including IT) carry similar uplifts for UK based personnel. I work for the 2nd largest US EPC contractor. I was previously with the largest & the numbers were very similar.
thanks - I was interested as (I know not the same) but I often get UAE sniffing - and I'm curious where the roles are for decent uplift.
Hi all, appreciate all the input so far. I had the interview, it went well and they want me in. Haven't signed anything yet as need to submit a bunch of documentation first. but I have to be honest, I'm still very torn on this. It's mainly the money if I'm honest. It just feels wrong to go somewhere so dangerous for normal money...
But the opportunity of working for NATO is something that's a massive pull and could lead to work all over the world for me so that's the driver for this really. But yeah, still torn. Don't know whether to go back to them and tell them this and see if I can get more out of them now the end client wants me or whether that's bad form?
But the opportunity of working for NATO is something that's a massive pull and could lead to work all over the world for me so that's the driver for this really. But yeah, still torn. Don't know whether to go back to them and tell them this and see if I can get more out of them now the end client wants me or whether that's bad form?
You'd be mad, they're utter chancers.
Note a load of people who are telling you to go for it then go on to tell you how they took a similar role only with a massive multiplier and never regretted it / had a great time.
Absolutely go back and negotiate on the money, but if they are starting at your bread & butter rate they are unlikely to move far enough for you.
Note a load of people who are telling you to go for it then go on to tell you how they took a similar role only with a massive multiplier and never regretted it / had a great time.
Absolutely go back and negotiate on the money, but if they are starting at your bread & butter rate they are unlikely to move far enough for you.
Ahbefive said:
TroubledSoul said:
I had the interview, it went well and they want me in.
I brt they do at normal rate when anyone else would want double. I bet they are desperate to fill such a dangerous role for no extra money.TroubledSoul said:
Hi all, appreciate all the input so far. I had the interview, it went well and they want me in. Haven't signed anything yet as need to submit a bunch of documentation first. but I have to be honest, I'm still very torn on this. It's mainly the money if I'm honest. It just feels wrong to go somewhere so dangerous for normal money...
But the opportunity of working for NATO is something that's a massive pull and could lead to work all over the world for me so that's the driver for this really. But yeah, still torn. Don't know whether to go back to them and tell them this and see if I can get more out of them now the end client wants me or whether that's bad form?
Clue is in your answer. No bump in pay, rubbish hours. Sure no living costs but this is a NATO base. You aren't exactly going to be put up in the Hilton are you. Might passable, could be a sBut the opportunity of working for NATO is something that's a massive pull and could lead to work all over the world for me so that's the driver for this really. But yeah, still torn. Don't know whether to go back to them and tell them this and see if I can get more out of them now the end client wants me or whether that's bad form?
thole. All on the promise of jam tomorrow. Yes it might open doors, but then it might have no impact on your future prospects at all.I am not in your position to even consider something like that, but if I was I wouldn't do it as I can't see any benefit to it, and a lot of negatives.
Unless you are a bit of a Walt and you could come back in a few months and tell everyone down the pub that you have just come back from a "contract" in Afghanistan, but you can't talk about it :-)
TroubledSoul said:
But the opportunity of working for NATO is something that's a massive pull and could lead to work all over the world for me so that's the driver for this really.
If you're desperate to go and work for NATO (and having worked for them, I have no idea why you would), go and contract for them in Belgium where the quality of life is slightly better than being stuck in a compound in a god forsaken sh*thole in central Asia. Out of curiosity, what day rate are they offering?
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