Managing someone out
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Countdown said:
Welshbeef said:
Countdown said:
Sorry, I missed this little nugget before.....
If there are 6 other FDs in your part of the company alone why are YOU the one that’s signing off the Sarbox returns?
I’m not I’m submitting our divisions returns. If there are 6 other FDs in your part of the company alone why are YOU the one that’s signing off the Sarbox returns?
StanleyT said:
Eventually with the help of a few other staff we "at strategic times" removed all spare toilet paper from the loos, but this didn't seem to be an issue, obvs we couldn't spy on anyone in a toilet, but pretty much everyone thought there were no "toilet" problems happening.
Most of the other aspects have been picked apart, but this really struck me. Who in their right mind would pop out to their boss and ask for toilet paper every time they need it? Surely you'd be more likely to keep a pack of tissues in your pocket once you realised there wasn't always paper in the loo?!I used to work for a high street shop (often mocked for its terrible carpet) and they did this in the branch I work in - Removing toilet paper because they thought people were stealing it. We just ended up always going across the road to McDonald's when we needed to go.
Just ask him for a Dr's note to outline his medical condition and any reasonable adjustments they believe need to be made. He'll either produce it and you can rest assured he's not fibbing, or he'll find excuses and you can start questioning his regular absences from the "shop floor".
If he's always there early sitting in his car despite flexi hours, why not mention that? "Hey, you know if you start when you get here you can just go home early?" He'll either thank you and start doing it, or explain why he likes to sit outside for that time.
romeogolf said:
I used to work for a high street shop (often mocked for its terrible carpet) and they did this in the branch I work in - Removing toilet paper because they thought people were stealing it. We just ended up always going across the road to McDonald's when we needed to go.
Current employer limits the amount of toilet paper available, has to be formally requested from stores (it's cheap nasty sh*t as well), they also have sensors in the toilets for the lights, which don't overlook the cubicles and turn off after 5 minutes, and lately they've removed a bolt from each toilet seat so that you literally cannot use the toilet because your legs are tensed up trying to make sure you don't fall in.Crazy thing is, there's never been a problem with anyone stealing toilet paper OR spending too long in the toilets, it all comes down to wannabe managers inventing problems to be solved and making their colleagues look bad to make themselves look good. Things here are rapidly going down hill, and after 20 years in this industry putting up with this sort of nonsense at several different companies, I think it's time for a career change...........
lyonspride said:
Current employer limits the amount of toilet paper available, has to be formally requested from stores (it's cheap nasty sh*t as well), they also have sensors in the toilets for the lights, which don't overlook the cubicles and turn off after 5 minutes, and lately they've removed a bolt from each toilet seat so that you literally cannot use the toilet because your legs are tensed up trying to make sure you don't fall in.
Crazy thing is, there's never been a problem with anyone stealing toilet paper OR spending too long in the toilets, it all comes down to wannabe managers inventing problems to be solved and making their colleagues look bad to make themselves look good. Things here are rapidly going down hill, and after 20 years in this industry putting up with this sort of nonsense at several different companies, I think it's time for a career change...........
Which industry is that? Sounds crazy.Crazy thing is, there's never been a problem with anyone stealing toilet paper OR spending too long in the toilets, it all comes down to wannabe managers inventing problems to be solved and making their colleagues look bad to make themselves look good. Things here are rapidly going down hill, and after 20 years in this industry putting up with this sort of nonsense at several different companies, I think it's time for a career change...........
Flooble said:
lyonspride said:
Current employer limits the amount of toilet paper available, has to be formally requested from stores (it's cheap nasty sh*t as well), they also have sensors in the toilets for the lights, which don't overlook the cubicles and turn off after 5 minutes, and lately they've removed a bolt from each toilet seat so that you literally cannot use the toilet because your legs are tensed up trying to make sure you don't fall in.
Crazy thing is, there's never been a problem with anyone stealing toilet paper OR spending too long in the toilets, it all comes down to wannabe managers inventing problems to be solved and making their colleagues look bad to make themselves look good. Things here are rapidly going down hill, and after 20 years in this industry putting up with this sort of nonsense at several different companies, I think it's time for a career change...........
Which industry is that? Sounds crazy.Crazy thing is, there's never been a problem with anyone stealing toilet paper OR spending too long in the toilets, it all comes down to wannabe managers inventing problems to be solved and making their colleagues look bad to make themselves look good. Things here are rapidly going down hill, and after 20 years in this industry putting up with this sort of nonsense at several different companies, I think it's time for a career change...........
I've seen it from all sides as well, from the shop floor, to the engineering/design office and even from management perspectives. I know the thought processes that go in behind all this stupidity.
Meetings that go along the lines of:
Office manager "he's lazy and can't be bothered, it shouldn't take all day to set up and build 50 PCBs on a machine, the machine does everything for him"
~Everyone nodding their heads~
Me "well actually he's one man, doing a job that would normally require a small army of technicians, I should know I used to be one of those technicians....... Have you ever done that job yourself??"
It comes down to people with no technical knowledge, being in positions of authority, it means that people who can talk a good fight and sell BS are trusted over and above everyone else, so when they start putting their colleagues down (to make themselves look good), management listen too closely and it starts to slide down hill. Eventually it gets to a point where nobody is trusted to do their job and oppressive rules/etc start to creep in.
When people in charge have never done the work of the people they're in charge of, and they're too arrogant to realise it, things don't end well. In most sectors/industries it's less of an issue, but in something very technical it can be a nightmare.
This has been an interesting read for me as I was on the other side of the fence and was successfully managed out. It started when my then OH at the time suffered a bit of a mental break down. I was really struggling to try and look after her and do my job. The section head told me to go my GP and get signed off for stress so I could look after my OH. I did this but when I subsequently returned to work it was clear my Line Manager now wanted rid of me.
It started off with things he'd do on purpose just to annoy me, like I'd had tickets to a concert that started at 7:30pm on a Friday, as this was outside normal work hours (8-4) I didn't book a holiday. He insisted I visited a site that day knowing that I would never make it back in time. I asked if I could go another day earlier in the week, he just said "no, work comes first".
Then he pulled a performance improvement plan out that was designed to make me fail. For example I passed one of our sites on the way home, I used to pop into it in my own time (1/2 - 1 1/2 hours) on my way home to perform system updates, etc. He asked me to update four servers that I didn't normally look after, he said the update wasn't urgent. I got there one night on the way home at around five to update the normal servers after this I went looking for the other four, I managed to find two of them. I sent my boss an email the next day saying I had gone in on my way home, managed to find two of the servers but as the relevant staff had gone home there was no one to ask so I would go back next time I was quiet during office hours to finish updating them. During the performance meeting he pulled this email out as an example of my 'bad planning', even though the updates weren't urgent and I had been visiting the site in my own time.
During my performance review meeting I had a Union rep with me but tbh he wasn't much help, it was obvious my boss didn't want me to be there so I just found something else. What was quite funny was after I left my boss started treating the other people in my department like he treated me and one by one they all left until he was the boss of no one! They had to bring in graduates from another site so his part of the office didn't look empty!
It started off with things he'd do on purpose just to annoy me, like I'd had tickets to a concert that started at 7:30pm on a Friday, as this was outside normal work hours (8-4) I didn't book a holiday. He insisted I visited a site that day knowing that I would never make it back in time. I asked if I could go another day earlier in the week, he just said "no, work comes first".
Then he pulled a performance improvement plan out that was designed to make me fail. For example I passed one of our sites on the way home, I used to pop into it in my own time (1/2 - 1 1/2 hours) on my way home to perform system updates, etc. He asked me to update four servers that I didn't normally look after, he said the update wasn't urgent. I got there one night on the way home at around five to update the normal servers after this I went looking for the other four, I managed to find two of them. I sent my boss an email the next day saying I had gone in on my way home, managed to find two of the servers but as the relevant staff had gone home there was no one to ask so I would go back next time I was quiet during office hours to finish updating them. During the performance meeting he pulled this email out as an example of my 'bad planning', even though the updates weren't urgent and I had been visiting the site in my own time.
During my performance review meeting I had a Union rep with me but tbh he wasn't much help, it was obvious my boss didn't want me to be there so I just found something else. What was quite funny was after I left my boss started treating the other people in my department like he treated me and one by one they all left until he was the boss of no one! They had to bring in graduates from another site so his part of the office didn't look empty!
Lenovo said:
This has been an interesting read for me as I was on the other side of the fence and was successfully managed out. It started when my then OH at the time suffered a bit of a mental break down. I was really struggling to try and look after her and do my job. The section head told me to go my GP and get signed off for stress so I could look after my OH. I did this but when I subsequently returned to work it was clear my Line Manager now wanted rid of me.
Classic management paranoia.There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
lyonspride said:
Classic management paranoia.
There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
Mgr aside of his work colleagues did that it says a huge amount about them and frankly who’d want to carry on working in such a horrible environment There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
lyonspride said:
Classic management paranoia.
There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
One of the reasons why Unions are a good thing.There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
Countdown said:
lyonspride said:
Classic management paranoia.
There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
One of the reasons why Unions are a good thing.There was a young lady I worked with in my last job, a part time purchaser, she was off sick for 6 weeks following a major operation, during this time one of the managers was making noise that she was "taking the piss" and wasn't sick at all, people were starting to listen to this BS and I was getting really angry about it. I got sick of sitting in on meetings and having to hear all this BS.
By the time she got back, her manager was convinced that she'd never been sick at all and started giving her heavy manual tasks to do (like doing stock checks in the warehouse, away from her usual desk job), she actually opened her wound at one point, blood everywhere and yet manager was convinced she was faking it. Eventually they got rid of her.......
The OP on this thread also sounds like paranoia too. Imagine being that guy, being unwell, knowing everyone thinks your taking the piss and then walking into the toilets to find your colleagues have hidden all the toilet paper, it's not exactly going to motivate you is it?
The whole concept of a career for life, what a load of nonsense.
Edited by lyonspride on Thursday 1st November 10:35
Edited by lyonspride on Thursday 1st November 10:36
bad company said:
lyonspride said:
They're all toothless politicians puppets now, the conservative govt made sure of that in the 1980's
That had to happen, the unions were far too powerful in the 1970’s.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff